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Since the season is getting closer(fingers crossed), and there has been some coaching changes, How would you all rank 4D for the up and coming year. Lets talk football!

Heres what I got:

1. Salem(no one comes close)
2. GW
3. Pulaski
4. Halifax
5. Glass
6. Blacksburg
7. JF
8. Amherst

For the most part it's Salem then everyone else. A lot of teams lost some good players, and will be young, so its hard to tell where each team will fit in.
 
Assuming things go according to plan for Salem, the race for the #2 seed should be very interesting. Not sure how far Amherst and JF will have come from last season but that 2-6 slotting could shift week by week.

Veteran HS (and college for that matter) teams will have a massive advantage over inexperienced teams given the circumstances forced upon us this year, if any game looks like a coin toss I'd just defer to the team with more experience this year.
 
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It is Salem’s to lose. GW had a lot last year, underachieved big time, and lost most of their studs. I believe Pulaski is the safe bet for 2. Don’t sleep on Halifax County!!!!
 
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Since the season is getting closer(fingers crossed), and there has been some coaching changes, How would you all rank 4D for the up and coming year. Lets talk football!

Heres what I got:

1. Salem(no one comes close)
2. GW
3. Pulaski
4. Halifax
5. Glass
6. Blacksburg
7. JF
8. Amherst

For the most part it's Salem then everyone else. A lot of teams lost some good players, and will be young, so its hard to tell where each team will fit in.
Im not sold on the Salem hype. I think there is a crack in the Dam down there. Things are starting to unravel I believe. Pc should have beat em last year and we have just as much or maybe more coming back.
 
Im not sold on the Salem hype. I think there is a crack in the Dam down there. Things are starting to unravel I believe. Pc should have beat em last year and we have just as much or maybe more coming back.
Didn’t see them but one time this past year. Beat my GW boys up pretty bad and got Glass the following week by a just as big margin. I never really thought that Danville believed they could win that game. Salem had quite a few standouts but definitely not the Salem teams of the past, especially in the trenches. To be fair, there aren’t many programs in the state that are like they once were. Kids are changing and aren’t built like kids were 5 years ago.
 
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Im not sold on the Salem hype. I think there is a crack in the Dam down there. Things are starting to unravel I believe. Pc should have beat em last year and we have just as much or maybe more coming back.

This just reeks of desperation. PC couldn't cross the 50 on their own until the last two minutes of the game, there's no "should have won" to it. Fact is Salem not only beat PC but beat the other two teams who manhandled PC to boot (HV and Glass).

If there's a crack in Salem's dam then PC's dam broke 20 years ago and the whole program is underwater and there's no rebuilding that dam.
 
This just reeks of desperation. PC couldn't cross the 50 on their own until the last two minutes of the game, there's no "should have won" to it. Fact is Salem not only beat PC but beat the other two teams who manhandled PC to boot (HV and Glass).

If there's a crack in Salem's dam then PC's dam broke 20 years ago and the whole program is underwater and there's no rebuilding that dam.
PC turned the ball over 3 times deep in their own territory and salem couldn't move the ball at all. And I still stand by my belief there's trouble in salem. We'll all see what happens.
 
Assuming things go according to plan for Salem, the race for the #2 seed should be very interesting. Not sure how far Amherst and JF will have come from last season but that 2-6 slotting could shift week by week.

Veteran HS (and college for that matter) teams will have a massive advantage over inexperienced teams given the circumstances forced upon us this year, if any game looks like a coin toss I'd just defer to the team with more experience this year.

Heard JF had a number of players transfer out to LCA (and maybe lost an assistant to them as well?)
 
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PC turned the ball over 3 times deep in their own territory and salem couldn't move the ball at all. And I still stand by my belief there's trouble in salem. We'll all see what happens.

What game did you even watch? Pulaski had ONE first down before their final drive. They barely hit 100 yards of total offense, nearly half of that coming on the last drive. They could have played that game to Sunday and Pulaski would still have been searching for the endzone.

Like I said, this is wishful thinking. Pulaski lost the only thing that made them more than middling last year in their D and return the thing that did exactly nothing in their O. Why would anyone think Pulaski is as much of a threat to the top of 4D as Salem or GW?
 
What game did you even watch? Pulaski had ONE first down before their final drive. They barely hit 100 yards of total offense, nearly half of that coming on the last drive. They could have played that game to Sunday and Pulaski would still have been searching for the endzone.

Like I said, this is wishful thinking. Pulaski lost the only thing that made them more than middling last year in their D and return the thing that did exactly nothing in their O. Why would anyone think Pulaski is as much of a threat to the top of 4D as Salem or GW?
Salem wasn't a powerhouse on offense in that game either. I agree we had no offense but salem won by 6 and we were inside the 5 and threw a pick on the last play.
 
1. Salem
2. GW
3. Glass
4. Halifax
5. Blacksburg
6. Pulaski
7. Amherst
8. JF


Salem is fielding their best team in awhile this year, it’s undeniable. GW’s team this year will be its best since 2013. Glass is always strong and I really like what their coach is doing. Halifax will have it’s best year in a long time. Blacksburg is a sleeper, they always have lots of talent. I like Pulaski’s new coach and they always have some solid players but won’t be as competitive as they have been in the past few years. Amherst showed solid promise at the end of last year. JF is rebuilding and might have their worst season in a long time.
 
1. Salem
2. GW
3. Glass
4. Halifax
5. Blacksburg
6. Pulaski
7. Amherst
8. JF


Salem is fielding their best team in awhile this year, it’s undeniable. GW’s team this year will be its best since 2013. Glass is always strong and I really like what their coach is doing. Halifax will have it’s best year in a long time. Blacksburg is a sleeper, they always have lots of talent. I like Pulaski’s new coach and they always have some solid players but won’t be as competitive as they have been in the past few years. Amherst showed solid promise at the end of last year. JF is rebuilding and might have their worst season in a long time.
If you think BB and Halifax will finish above Pulaski Co you're smokin something.
 
1. Salem
2. GW
3. Glass
4. Halifax
5. Blacksburg
6. Pulaski
7. Amherst
8. JF


Salem is fielding their best team in awhile this year, it’s undeniable. GW’s team this year will be its best since 2013. Glass is always strong and I really like what their coach is doing. Halifax will have it’s best year in a long time. Blacksburg is a sleeper, they always have lots of talent. I like Pulaski’s new coach and they always have some solid players but won’t be as competitive as they have been in the past few years. Amherst showed solid promise at the end of last year. JF is rebuilding and might have their worst season in a long time.
Who are some guys coming up from JV this year that we should know about? Willie Edmunds will be very very fun to watch, wish he would’ve gotten more carries these past 2 postseasons. That run he had against EC Glass this past year was very David Wilson like. Willie runs a 4.47 which is just as fast as David.
 
If you think BB and Halifax will finish above Pulaski Co you're smokin something.
Ok, I’ll be glad to see them prove me wrong.
Who are some guys coming up from JV this year that we should know about? Willie Edmunds will be very very fun to watch, wish he would’ve gotten more carries these past 2 postseasons. That run he had against EC Glass this past year was very David Wilson like. Willie runs a 4.47 which is just as fast as David.
Jeb Byrnes is going to be starting QB on varsity and is going to be a beast, Donnie Davis is a fast playmaker, Jayson Hall (Malik Clements’ brother) will help at CB, Chad Johnson is a pure athlete, Michael Helms is going to be an absolute monster by the time he’s a senior (2023), Jalen Spratt has nice hands and good speed and if he gets up near the height of his brother he’ll end up being a very good WR, Tamarion Hawkins has some nice hands and good athleticism on defense. The JV team last year had some solid guys. Willie just needs to stay consistent and he’ll be very good in the backfield. He has the resources and athleticism it’s just a matter of proving himself on the field.
 
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Ok, I’ll be glad to see them prove me wrong.

Jeb Byrnes is going to be starting QB on varsity and is going to be a beast, Donnie Davis is a fast playmaker, Jayson Hall (Malik Clements’ brother) will help at CB, Chad Johnson is a pure athlete, Michael Helms is going to be an absolute monster by the time he’s a senior (2023), Jalen Spratt has nice hands and good speed and if he gets up near the height of his brother he’ll end up being a very good WR, Tamarion Hawkins has some nice hands and good athleticism on defense. The JV team last year had some solid guys. Willie just needs to stay consistent and he’ll be very good in the backfield. He has the resources and athleticism it’s just a matter of proving himself on the field.
Thank you. I saw GW’s JV play last year and wondered why some of their skill guys didn’t play varsity. I totally had no clue on who was who. I did know that young Spratt is real good at WR and Jeb will be the next big thing out of Danville. I’ve heard of Hall, however, I thought he played for Dan River and I definitely didn’t know he was Malik’s brother. GW’s secondary will be the best it’s been in a very very long time this year with Bethel, King, Howard and Hall. I’d like to see Shakobe and Willie play more D. They’ll lay the wood. We haven’t even mentioned Shy and Worm.
 
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Salem
GW
Glass
Blacksburg
Pulaski
Amherst
Halifax
JF

I think Amherst will make strides in Christmas's second year and I think people are going to be surprised how bad Halifax and JF will become.

If the rumors are true, there has been a mass exodus from JF and they were already losing a good amount to graduation.

Halifax has one of the best D lines in the area, but they too are losing a ton from last year and if rumors from down there are true, many JV players are refusing to move up to varsity and some varsity kids will not return. Buddy of mine whose kids go there, said that there is power struggle going on between the JV and varsity staffs.

I will bet money that if there is a season, the teams that are doing the most during this shut down, will be the ones who end up on top.
 
Why isn’t Pulaski getting any love? I know they had a stagnant offense this year, but they still return a lot and will have Dixon on their sideline..
 
Salem
GW
Glass
Blacksburg
Pulaski
Amherst
Halifax
JF

I think Amherst will make strides in Christmas's second year and I think people are going to be surprised how bad Halifax and JF will become.

If the rumors are true, there has been a mass exodus from JF and they were already losing a good amount to graduation.

Halifax has one of the best D lines in the area, but they too are losing a ton from last year and if rumors from down there are true, many JV players are refusing to move up to varsity and some varsity kids will not return. Buddy of mine whose kids go there, said that there is power struggle going on between the JV and varsity staffs.

I will bet money that if there is a season, the teams that are doing the most during this shut down, will be the ones who end up on top.

Good stuff!

Amherst will be better, but their schedule is tough. Salem, GW, and Blacksburg are their non-district opponents. Plus they play in the seminole, where most would say they only have a shot of beating Liberty Bedford and Rustburg(huge sleeper). I just don't see a lot of wins out of Amherst until a year or two from now.

As far as I see JF lost a RB/Lb to Liberty bedford, one of their top returning receivers/corners, and the returning QB to LCA. I also heard they lost the OC to LCA. Not sure that is enough for them to make a nosedive to the bottom of the region. But, wouldnt be shocked though.

Halifax boasted about that undefeated JV way too much. Their schedule is weak too. Halifax should be 8-2 or better this year. Anything less is a disappointment. I would say since Throckmorton has arrive they've gotten better every year. Just don't think they can still hang with GW, Salem, and Glass

Blacksburg doesn't look like the talented 2016-2018 teams. The line is dwindling and it shows. I like the returning QB that played some, and maybe Collins(I think) but seems like there is gonna be a ton of inexperience. Their non district schedule is a piece of cake with the exception of Lord Botetourt, and River Ridge is no joke with the rise of Christiansburg and PH. Maybe 4 or 5 wins?
 
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I’m just very accustomed to the setup where there’s a large-ish varsity staff where some take on JV duties, sometimes even on a yearly rotating basis. Everyone’s always more or less on the same page and following the lead of the program’s head coach. Hard to understand how Halifax let this divide happen.
 
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Why isn’t Pulaski getting any love? I know they had a stagnant offense this year, but they still return a lot and will have Dixon on their sideline..

Because the part of that team that was good last year is gone and the part that was bad came back. They scored 273 points in 12 games (23 ppg) and 140 of those came against CS, Bassett, and Abingdon which means they scored a whopping 133 points in their other 9 games (15 ppg). Without that D last year they lose to Northside, Blacksburg (twice), Christiansburg, Byrd, and I'll give them the PH game but it would have been close.

Pulaski hasn't done anything to be given the benefit of a doubt on, that's why.
 
Because the part of that team that was good last year is gone and the part that was bad came back. They scored 273 points in 12 games (23 ppg) and 140 of those came against CS, Bassett, and Abingdon which means they scored a whopping 133 points in their other 9 games (15 ppg). Without that D last year they lose to Northside, Blacksburg (twice), Christiansburg, Byrd, and I'll give them the PH game but it would have been close.

Pulaski hasn't done anything to be given the benefit of a doubt on, that's why.
We (GW) haven’t either if we’re being honest. We were loaded this past season and lost 4 games, 2 were blowouts, even though I thought we played a hell of a first half against your Spartans. We lost Wesley Graves who will get some carries as a true freshman at NC A&T, Shawn Watlington who is top 3 best athlete we’ve had this decade and lost a lot of meat on the o-line (this year we were actually bigger than Salem and just as big as Glass). GW will definitely be a top 3 team in the Region but it’s hard to imagine Pulaski doesn’t get better on offense with the young guys they have returning along with Dixon. As much as I love and support GW, fact remains that they haven’t advanced past the 2nd round of the playoffs but 1 time since 1996 (2014 when they played Salem). Very very talented team coming up, but we’ve had some solid teams that faltered in the past.
 
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Good stuff!

Amherst will be better, but their schedule is tough. Salem, GW, and Blacksburg are their non-district opponents. Plus they play in the seminole, where most would say they only have a shot of beating Liberty Bedford and Rustburg(huge sleeper). I just don't see a lot of wins out of Amherst until a year or two from now.

As far as I see JF lost a RB/Lb to Liberty bedford, one of their top returning receivers/corners, and the returning QB to LCA. I also heard they lost the OC to LCA. Not sure that is enough for them to make a nosedive to the bottom of the region. But, wouldnt be shocked though.

Halifax boasted about that undefeated JV way too much. Their schedule is weak too. Halifax should be 8-2 or better this year. Anything less is a disappointment. I would say since Throckmorton has arrive they've gotten better every year. Just don't think they can still hang with GW, Salem, and Glass

Blacksburg doesn't look like the talented 2016-2018 teams. The line is dwindling and it shows. I like the returning QB that played some, and maybe Collins(I think) but seems like there is gonna be a ton of inexperience. Their non district schedule is a piece of cake with the exception of Lord Botetourt, and River Ridge is no joke with the rise of Christiansburg and PH. Maybe 4 or 5 wins?

I agree about Blacksburg. 5-5 seems about right this season (if there is a full season). I think the Bruins are in for a downturn over the next few years. Not that I’m rooting for that; as far as Salem’s district rivals go, the relationship with Blacksburg is probably the most amicable.

However, I think we’re going to see that Blacksburg’s run from 2016 to 2018 was very similar to the three-year periods of high-level success enjoyed by both Christiansburg (‘09-‘11) and Staunton River (‘15-‘17). That is, it was primarily due to an unprecedented influx of college-quality athletes. In all three examples, each school saw what would usually be a generation’s worth of talent - for schools with those enrollments, in those particular locations - come through the doors in the span of two or three years. Highly unlikely, but for whatever reasons, it happened, and all three schools had coaches that were good enough to take advantage. B’burg, C’burg, and SR may not see a parade of talent like that again anytime soon, if ever. C’burg has just now managed to claw back to respectability; Staunton River might not make it back for a very long time.

Also, I’m not sold on Blacksburg’s coach. This is just looking at his record, and is absolutely nothing personal, of course. During his four-year tenure at Carroll County, the Cavaliers didn’t improve by one iota, and there was a lot of room for improvement. A good coach can get a wretched high school program to show marked improvement often in year one, in competitiveness, if not in wins. Certainly progress should have been shown by year four. Anyway, these reasons are why I think Bruin football could be looking at a rocky road ahead. As always, I’d be happy to be set straight by any B’burg insiders who know why I’ve got it all wrong.
 
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I will add that, unlike Christiansburg and Staunton River, Blacksburg has a solid history of success both on the gridiron, and in sports in general, going back several decades. So perhaps that tradition will be an intangible factor that aids the Bruins in continuing to put a quality product on the field.
 
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GW should be really good on the back end of their
Def this year bethel and Xavion King return at
Corners Howard and Shakobe Hairston will
Be possibilities at safeties Chad Johnson Shy
Watlington and Omarion Hairston LB’s
Jalen Strange and Davis return at DE’s also
You have Spratt Bottoms and Lee as Backers
Isiah Pritchett played a lot at Corner last year
Also Willie will help on Defense Jayson Hall
Was a JV WR last year he split time on JV
With a couple of other kids Also Donnie Davis
Will be a Corner an WR on varsity Omarion Hairston and Jeb Burns were the two best JV players last year Hawkins will also help don’t
Forget Jakobie Dixon will be back out this year
Two years ago he was a 1000 yard Rusher on JV
District championship team he is also a corner
Very fast GW JV we’re undefeated this year until
They played Reidsville in the first quarter they
Lost Jeb Burns Hawkins and Donnie Davis all in the
First Quarter and lost 28-0 they finished the game with Spratt at QB then lost to Halifax without those players JV went 8-2 the Key for GW will be replacing 3 of the 5 OL they have two OL starters
Returning But Helms and Barksdale will be two
Good ones coming up from JV
 
GW should be really good on the back end of their
Def this year bethel and Xavion King return at
Corners Howard and Shakobe Hairston will
Be possibilities at safeties Chad Johnson Shy
Watlington and Omarion Hairston LB’s
Jalen Strange and Davis return at DE’s also
You have Spratt Bottoms and Lee as Backers
Isiah Pritchett played a lot at Corner last year
Also Willie will help on Defense Jayson Hall
Was a JV WR last year he split time on JV
With a couple of other kids Also Donnie Davis
Will be a Corner an WR on varsity Omarion Hairston and Jeb Burns were the two best JV players last year Hawkins will also help don’t
Forget Jakobie Dixon will be back out this year
Two years ago he was a 1000 yard Rusher on JV
District championship team he is also a corner
Very fast GW JV we’re undefeated this year until
They played Reidsville in the first quarter they
Lost Jeb Burns Hawkins and Donnie Davis all in the
First Quarter and lost 28-0 they finished the game with Spratt at QB then lost to Halifax without those players JV went 8-2 the Key for GW will be replacing 3 of the 5 OL they have two OL starters
Returning But Helms and Barksdale will be two
Good ones coming up from JV
All that and we still haven’t even mentioned Worm Poole LOL!!! He will be the one to watch in this Region. He’s been working on his lateral quickness and getting faster and stronger. IMO, he will be better than his older brother Carl who will start at Liberty this year. Worm and Shy are two of the better defensive players in Class 4 for the Class of 2022.
 
Yea lol didn’t mean to leave Worm out but as I was
Saying Defense should have some really good guys
If that OL comes through the Eagles will do well
 
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I agree about Blacksburg. 5-5 seems about right this season (if there is a full season). I think the Bruins are in for a downturn over the next few years. Not that I’m rooting for that; as far as Salem’s district rivals go, the relationship with Blacksburg is probably the most amicable.

However, I think we’re going to see that Blacksburg’s run from 2016 to 2018 was very similar to the three-year periods of high-level success enjoyed by both Christiansburg (‘09-‘11) and Staunton River (‘15-‘17). That is, it was primarily due to an unprecedented influx of college-quality athletes. In all three examples, each school saw what would usually be a generation’s worth of talent - for schools with those enrollments, in those particular locations - come through the doors in the span of two or three years. Highly unlikely, but for whatever reasons, it happened, and all three schools had coaches that were good enough to take advantage. B’burg, C’burg, and SR may not see a parade of talent like that again anytime soon, if ever. C’burg has just now managed to claw back to respectability; Staunton River might not make it back for a very long time.

Also, I’m not sold on Blacksburg’s coach. This is just looking at his record, and is absolutely nothing personal, of course. During his four-year tenure at Carroll County, the Cavaliers didn’t improve by one iota, and there was a lot of room for improvement. A good coach can get a wretched high school program to show marked improvement often in year one, in competitiveness, if not in wins. Certainly progress should have been shown by year four. Anyway, these reasons are why I think Bruin football could be looking at a rocky road ahead. As always, I’d be happy to be set straight by any B’burg insiders who know why I’ve got it all wrong.

Not sure you can judge him based on Carroll Counties performance. When has any coach been there and won much/showed improvement?

Many on this board speak highly of Jack Turner and his ability to ‘turn around a program’ but that didn’t happen at CC

I agree that BBurg had a crazy run of talent. I also agree they will fall back down to earth some. Not sure that’s an indication of his coaching ability.

Schools will rise and fall to the talent they have in the building. Many coaches ride the wave up and down. Doesn’t make them any better or worse of a coach. Didn’t they go 13-1 his first season? I’d say that was a good combination of talent and coaching ability.
 
Yea lol didn’t mean to leave Worm out but as I was
Saying Defense should have some really good guys
If that OL comes through the Eagles will do well
Worm is already a very special player. He played this past year at 5’10 235, a little baby fat, but he’s turning that into muscle and he’s slimming down. He’s still a brick wall! Liberty is interested in him already but I believe he will get the Virginia Tech’s and NC State’s if we’re fortunate to have a season. Kid is an old school style player, very good instincts, that will take your head off. Reminds me A LOT of Rayshard Ashby who currently plays LB at VT. From what I’ve seen so far, Worm has gotten a little faster and more agile since November. I will go as far to say that he could very well win Region D Defensive Player of the Year these next 2 years.
 
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