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Chilhowie must end Riverheads Reign Over 1A

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Im pulling for Chilhowie to win Saturday, Riverheads reign must come to a end hopefully it happens Saturday. If Riverheads wins Saturday in my opinion it shows the decline and lack of competiness at the 1a level. How many titles will the Gladiators win at this level before answering the question ( Why haven't you and can you win a title at the 2a level). The program prides itself on great coaching, great student athletes, a supportive community i would like to see what they can do at the next level with all those great attributes and win a 2a title. Good luck to both programs on Saturday.

Chilhowie 28- Riverheads 21
 
Im pulling for Chilhowie to win Saturday, Riverheads reign must come to a end hopefully it happens Saturday. If Riverheads wins Saturday in my opinion it shows the decline and lack of competiness at the 1a level. How many titles will the Gladiators win at this level before answering the question ( Why haven't you and can you win a title at the 2a level). The program prides itself on great coaching, great student athletes, a supportive community i would like to see what they can do at the next level with all those great attributes and win a 2a title. Good luck to both programs on Saturday.

Chilhowie 28- Riverheads 21
Last I checked you have to follow VHSL rules. 475 and less is 1A. Riverheads is around 450 thats 1A. You play in the classification assigned to you by the VHSL and if you dont like that contact the VHSL and have the enrollment parameters changed. That horse died several years ago.
 
Last I checked you have to follow VHSL rules. 475 and less is 1A. Riverheads is around 450 thats 1A. You play in the classification assigned to you by the VHSL and if you dont like that contact the VHSL and have the enrollment parameters changed. That horse died several years ago.
Here you go never said a word about numbers? Its more of internally wouldn't you want to challenge yourself if things seem to easy , last i checked you can play up with lower enrollment. Everytime someone post anything not praising Riverheads greatness the bs comes out. This post has nothing to do with your numbers dam.
 
Here you go never said a word about numbers? Its more of internally wouldn't you want to challenge yourself if things seem to easy , last i checked you can play up with lower enrollment. Everytime someone post anything not praising Riverheads greatness the bs comes out. This post has nothing to do with your numbers dam.

Oh Tru, here you go again, bringing the DRAMA during championship week. LOL It has everything to do about the numbers don't kid yourself be honest, even if you don't post numbers, which you don't like to do. Most people on here are grown men I assume, so don't treat us like kids. As far as things being easy, nothing easy going against Essex last two years. Essex probably should have won last years game. The last time I checked Highland Springs is now going for their 4TH STRAIGHT championship this weekend in 5A. They make things look easy if you look at those scores, so I hope your also asking them to play up and challenge themselves in 6A. That's right you're probably not doing that, you're just picking on Riverheads. At least wait until they maybe win the 3rd one in a row first so they can equal what Appo did in Class 2, Westfield in Class 6, and Salem in Class 4, and I'm sure you didn't complain about those either. The right thing for you to do is delete this thread and wait till next year when your Tigers can try to end the REIGN. Good luck. Still love your posts though, thought you had mellowed on the whole Riverheads thing, I was wrong. LOL
 
Oh Tru, here you go again, bringing the DRAMA during championship week. LOL It has everything to do about the numbers don't kid yourself be honest, even if you don't post numbers, which you don't like to do. Most people on here are grown men I assume, so don't treat us like kids. As far as things being easy, nothing easy going against Essex last two years. Essex probably should have won last years game. The last time I checked Highland Springs is now going for their 4TH STRAIGHT championship this weekend in 5A. They make things look easy if you look at those scores, so I hope your also asking them to play up and challenge themselves in 6A. That's right you're probably not doing that, you're just picking on Riverheads. At least wait until they maybe win the 3rd one in a row first so they can equal what Appo did in Class 2, Westfield in Class 6, and Salem in Class 4, and I'm sure you didn't complain about those either. The right thing for you to do is delete this thread and wait till next year when your Tigers can try to end the REIGN. Good luck. Still love your posts though, thought you had mellowed on the whole Riverheads thing, I was wrong. LOL
Drama i feel its a valid point , im sorry you guys feel some type of way about numbers but dont put that on this post im honestly asking . As a former competitor you must ask or want a challenge if you constantly dominate. I look forward to Sussex having the opportunity to end the run. Cut it with the numbers game im done with it. But the question remains how good is Riverheads , i would say excellent among 1a were you RIGHTFULLY BELONG , just would like to see you do at the next level. 1a football is way less competitive and dying especially out West. Cant wait to arrive in Greenvilee or meet you all In Sussex actually would love to have a conservation with you all, im not a bad person lol just want a change in 1a.Yeah im the biggest hater East of Mississippi!
 
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From 2011-2014 Riverheads played in 2A
2011: 12-1
- Season ended with 28-14 loss to State Champion Gretna (Gretna's next two games had very similar margins of victory)
2012: 10-2 - Season ended with 22-21 loss to Wilson Memorial, who lost to State Champion Goochland (Went for 2 and lost) Also note RHS beat Goochland, led by the same players, in 2013
2013: 12-2 - Season ended with 28-7 loss to State Champion Giles (Some would mention starting QB was out with injury, but I don't consider that an excuse, just a story-line)
2014: 11-1 - Season ended with 28-27 loss to King William (Missed XP got em)

6 losses in 4 years is good for any program. 7 playoff wins in 4 years is good for any program. Playing into the second round or further, including a State Semi, each year is good for any program.

I believe those results show that Riverheads competed in those 4 years. Did they win it all, no, but there have 3-4 year stretches between most of their state titles dating back to 2000. Only this recent success has resulted in consecutive trips to the State Title Game.

Since dropping back down to Class 1, where they where for all years prior to 2011, Riverheads is 24-5 vs Class 2 competition.

It is my opinion the Riverheads would compete at the 2A level as is. Are they the only school I would make that statement for, no. By saying that, I believe they are capable of beating top level 2A teams. How they match up with specific teams from specific years is up for debate and there is no way of knowing, but with the facts we have in front of us, I think it is obvious they would compete.

All of this said, I think most top level teams at each classification could compete at the classification one above them. I don't believe this is a Riverheads thing. Appomattox could have competed in recent years with the top of Class 3. I believe Blacksburg and Magna Vista could compete at Class 4. I believe Salem could compete with Class 5. I believe Highland Springs and LC Bird can compete with Class 6 teams.
Inversely, Phoebus was running through division 5 from 2001 to 2011. 2018 is the first time the Phantoms have earned a spot in the State Title game for Class 4 or 3, where they have been since. In 2011 they won the state Title game vs a school with 700 more students then Phoebus had.
It just doesn't come down to that class number 1-6 to determine how good you are. You can be a class under and still compete, you can have success at a higher class and that doesn't ensure success as classifications lower.

In the end, I do partially agree with you. If Riverheads again wins the State Title in dominate fashion, it shows they have separated from a large majority of Class 1. Where I disagree with your inference, is they should not be forced to move to class 2 because of their recent win/loss record. The VHSL has done right by all teams in the state by creating a system that is based on enrollment numbers and those classifications are built by a nearly equal amount of teams. Now, if the line moves and that puts Riverheads in Class 2, I would have zero problem with that. But since they just went through planning for the next cycle, and that didn't happen, it is irrelevant for the next 4 years.

You know who was terrible in football prior to 1997, or so? Riverheads. They got better, developed a program, stayed consistent, allowed their players to be multi-sport athletes, didn't burn players out with year round practice, and let winning breed winning. It has worked for them. Maybe other teams could try making themselves better rather than moaning one team is winning too much.
 
Drama i feel its a valid point , im sorry you guys feel some type of way about numbers but dont put that on this post im honestly asking . As a former competitor you must ask or want a challenge if you constantly dominate. I look forward to Sussex having the opportunity to end the run. Cut it with the numbers game im dobe with it. But the question remains how good is Riverheads , i would say excellent among 1a were you RIGHTFULLY BELONG , just would like to see you do at the next level. So this is Drama ?
From 2011-2014 Riverheads played in 2A
2011: 12-1
- Season ended with 28-14 loss to State Champion Gretna (Gretna's next two games had very similar margins of victory)
2012: 10-2 - Season ended with 22-21 loss to Wilson Memorial, who lost to State Champion Goochland (Went for 2 and lost) Also note RHS beat Goochland, led by the same players, in 2013
2013: 12-2 - Season ended with 28-7 loss to State Champion Giles (Some would mention starting QB was out with injury, but I don't consider that an excuse, just a story-line)
2014: 11-1 - Season ended with 28-27 loss to King William (Missed XP got em)

6 losses in 4 years is good for any program. 7 playoff wins in 4 years is good for any program. Playing into the second round or further, including a State Semi, each year is good for any program.

I believe those results show that Riverheads competed in those 4 years. Did they win it all, no, but there have 3-4 year stretches between most of their state titles dating back to 2000. Only this recent success has resulted in consecutive trips to the State Title Game.

Since dropping back down to Class 1, where they where for all years prior to 2011, Riverheads is 24-5 vs Class 2 competition.

It is my opinion the Riverheads would compete at the 2A level as is. Are they the only school I would make that statement for, no. By saying that, I believe they are capable of beating top level 2A teams. How they match up with specific teams from specific years is up for debate and there is no way of knowing, but with the facts we have in front of us, I think it is obvious they would compete.

All of this said, I think most top level teams at each classification could compete at the classification one above them. I don't believe this is a Riverheads thing. Appomattox could have competed in recent years with the top of Class 3. I believe Blacksburg and Magna Vista could compete at Class 4. I believe Salem could compete with Class 5. I believe Highland Springs and LC Bird can compete with Class 6 teams.
Inversely, Phoebus was running through division 5 from 2001 to 2011. 2018 is the first time the Phantoms have earned a spot in the State Title game for Class 4 or 3, where they have been since. In 2011 they won the state Title game vs a school with 700 more students then Phoebus had.
It just doesn't come down to that class number 1-6 to determine how good you are. You can be a class under and still compete, you can have success at a higher class and that doesn't ensure success as classifications lower.

In the end, I do partially agree with you. If Riverheads again wins the State Title in dominate fashion, it shows they have separated from a large majority of Class 1. Where I disagree with your inference, is they should not be forced to move to class 2 because of their recent win/loss record. The VHSL has done right by all teams in the state by creating a system that is based on enrollment numbers and those classifications are built by a nearly equal amount of teams. Now, if the line moves and that puts Riverheads in Class 2, I would have zero problem with that. But since they just went through planning for the next cycle, and that didn't happen, it is irrelevant for the next 4 years.

You know who was terrible in football prior to 1997, or so? Riverheads. They got better, developed a program, stayed consistent, allowed their players to be multi-sport athletes, didn't burn players out with year round practice, and let winning breed winning. It has worked for them. Maybe other teams could try making themselves better rather than moaning one team is winning too much.
Nice Post but i never said force them to 2a , internally they should want to move up and accept the challenge.
 
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And I acknowledged your post as inferring they should move up, but that is semantics. I know you never do anything wrong TruTiger. (That last sentence was sarcasm)
 
Nice Post but i never said force them to 2a , internally they should want to move up and accept the challenge.
Why in the world would you move up and be the smallest 2A when your not even the biggest 1A?
Just because they are good in one or two sports why put all the other sports in the same category. Not fair to those kids. Makes no sense. Give them a couple hundred more kids and move up, I'm all for it, but enrollment is down, at least for now.
 
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Why in the world would you move up and be the smallest 2A when your not even the biggest 1A?
Just because they are good in one or two sports why put all the other sports in the same category. Not fair to those kids. Makes no sense. Give them a couple hundred more kids and move up, I'm all for it, but enrollment is down, at least for now.
Now you know how the rest of 1a feels compared to you.
 
And I acknowledged your post as inferring they should move up, but that is semantics. I know you never do anything wrong TruTiger. (That last sentence was sarcasm)
Dodge around the question make it What you want it say as usual. Like i said last year i hope you 7 peat in 1a, at some point its going to become comical its nearing that point.
 
Now you know how the rest of 1a feels compared to you.
Based on next years classifications 11 of 55 Class 1 schools are within 30 or so students of each other at the top. Of those 11 only Essex and Riverheads are normally at the top of football. So there is parity in numbers just not in certain sports. Play within the rules but why voluntarily move up to get crushed in other sports, just because you dominate in one or two and have one Sussex fan upset. LOL
Like someone else said the VHSL has denied teams from playing up anyway.
See you in Greenville for the playoffs next year!
 
If the Red team should be playing up then I would expect domination in all sports which isn’t the case. I don’t think it’s within the realm of possibilities to play up in one sport and at the proper level in another. If so I doubt anyone in G’ville would mind playing up. There were teams I enjoyed hosting and visiting during those 4 years. And as pointed out, we fared better than a whole bunch of larger 2A schools.

In the end it always comes back to the winning. If we were Windsor with their enrollment and success it’s not an issue. I call bs on it being about anything other than pissed off we are in Salem again. It wasn’t lucked into and wasn’t due to someone selecting RH to be there. They have beaten the teams put before them to get there and win there. This includes a very good Sussex team along with a very physical Essex team two times, Galax at their house as defending champ and finally a good Chilhowie team. It has been interesting seeing the challenges and how the teams have met these challenges.

Were there people calling for Altavista to challenge themselves in 2A during the years they were running 1A? I think they could have damn sure competed but it was a silly argument because that run eventually ended. The Red team won’t be on top forever and could very well lose Saturday. If they do I will congratulate Chilhowie and their fans on a great season, then anxiously await next year.

I will pose the same question that others have. Why would you play up a level because you are very good in one sport? I get the whole to challenge yourself argument it really. I have a suggestion I will post later when I get a minute.
 
Drama i feel its a valid point , im sorry you guys feel some type of way about numbers but dont put that on this post im honestly asking . As a former competitor you must ask or want a challenge if you constantly dominate. I look forward to Sussex having the opportunity to end the run. Cut it with the numbers game im done with it. But the question remains how good is Riverheads , i would say excellent among 1a were you RIGHTFULLY BELONG , just would like to see you do at the next level. 1a football is way less competitive and dying especially out West. Cant wait to arrive in Greenvilee or meet you all In Sussex actually would love to have a conservation with you all, im not a bad person lol just want a change in 1a.Yeah im the biggest hater East of Mississippi!
come to salem on Saturday and see if the reign ends, if it does we will be the first to congrats Chilhowie, if not the reign continues, come on over to the home side we can talk football, we will be wearing red and at least 1 will have red on and gear that has a blue star on it, GO BIG RED
 
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Based on next years classifications 11 of 55 Class 1 schools are within 30 or so students of each other at the top. Of those 11 only Essex and Riverheads are normally at the top of football. So there is parity in numbers just not in certain sports. Play within the rules but why voluntarily move up to get crushed in other sports, just because you dominate in one or two and have one Sussex fan upset. LOL
Like someone else said the VHSL has denied teams from playing up anyway.
See you in Greenville for the playoffs next year!
Based on next years classifications 11 of 55 Class 1 schools are within 30 or so students of each other at the top. Of those 11 only Essex and Riverheads are normally at the top of football. So there is parity in numbers just not in certain sports. Play within the rules but why voluntarily move up to get crushed in other sports, just because you dominate in one or two and have one Sussex fan upset. LOL
Like someone else said the VHSL has denied teams from playing up anyway.
See you in Greenville for the playoffs next year!
Actually i fully expect to host you all next year in Sussex. Oh by the way what sport are not successful in ? Tennis dosent count etc. Lol
 
Dam you just make choke for real ! Lol anyway pay me no mind good luck to you all Saturday.
 
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Actually i fully expect to host you all next year in Sussex. Oh by the way what sport are not successful in ? Tennis dosent count etc. Lol

Maybe swimming and diving. Oh wait, they don't have a team. LOL

Actually tennis isn't bad either. Come to think of it they are pretty good in most sports and already play mostly 2A schools in the district, so why beat them again in 2A states.

And "we don't pay you no mind anyway"

Enjoy the back and forth. (Most of the time)
 
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VHSL changed the rule recently that allowed teams to play up correct?

I hate to take up for the red team, but they forced Pheobus and many others to move down even though they did not want to.
 
Here goes and please stay with me in this one.

First, the top four in every division but 6A has to play up the following playoff year if they point out enough to make the cut. If they can’t get in the playoffs in the next class up they sit out a cycle.

The bottom four of every division is eligible to play down a class in the playoffs if they have enough points.

It would be like club league soccer and would end up with some interesting matchups. Your regular season would still require you to gain power points by defeating winning programs so you seed well regardless of which class you would be playing in for the post season.

This solves the dynasty concern and mixes the matchups up enough that it should get some new faces pretty regular.

Now that would have a bunch of AD’s pulling their hair out along with coaching staffs. How does that do in solving your dynasty issue there @trutiger16? I have mentioned this before and most people think I am crazy but I do believe it would spark some interest back into a sport.
 
Why be sarcastic when he is just giving you the rule? It seems like you didn't know that since you said last you checked you can play up, which you can't.
Ok troll go back to the 2a boards and do your thing lol
 
See, keep being negative. Why wouldn't you want to know the rule when you are trying to make it sound as if they won't do it.
Just giving you a taste of what you do constantly that's all go back to 2a board were you belong
 
Just giving you a taste of what you do constantly that's all go back to 2a board were you belong

I am about the only one who takes up for everyone on here, no matter if I like them or not. I didn't know I belonged somewhere.

But I forgot, making 40 new threads a year to talk about 1 team, then when you get called out for it continually try to defend it, is the new thing to do, the right thing to do.

Thanks pal. God Bless
 
I am about the only one who takes up for everyone on here, no matter if I like them or not. I didn't know I belonged somewhere.

But I forgot, making 40 new threads a year to talk about 1 team, then when you get called out for it continually try to defend it, is the new thing to do, the right thing to do.

Thanks pal. God Bless[/QU

IM CONSISTENT ON THE 1A BOARDS UNLIKE YOU WHO IS ALL OVER PLACE LIKE BIRD DROPPINGS ! God bless lol
 

Ok, I want you to think about something and not think about name calling or anything. Just look at how it looks from a different perspective. You start way more threads negatively about Riverheads than you do your own team.

Yes, I may frequent 3 boards, but you won't find one where I start a thread to talk bad about anybody. Maybe I just have the wrong perspective, but I think what these boards should be about is trying to raise these kids and teams up for all of the hard work and love for their games of choice, not to denigrate them.

Unless my team is involved, I rarely have someone I really want to lose. The only time I have any kind of reaction to that is because of how fans are on here. And while I may disagree with you bringing this up 167 times a year, I have never felt that way about Sussex, because besides the mess with RH, you seem like a great guy and great fan.
 
I have nothing but respect for the red team, I'm not a fan but when you stay on top haters are going to hate especially when you can't beat them. Been there and done that. If you don't admire Riverheads program then you don't have a clue what it takes to win as a TEAM. A lot of programs try to do what they Do on the off-season but the kids are to lazy or not doing the right work. Castro has it going on with a community that back him. I hope they win it every year untill my team gets to that spot.
 
Ok, I want you to think about something and not think about name calling or anything. Just look at how it looks from a different perspective. You start way more threads negatively about Riverheads than you do your own team.

Yes, I may frequent 3 boards, but you won't find one where I start a thread to talk bad about anybody. Maybe I just have the wrong perspective, but I think what these boards should be about is trying to raise these kids and teams up for all of the hard work and love for their games of choice, not to denigrate them.

Unless my team is involved, I rarely have someone I really want to lose. The only time I have any kind of reaction to that is because of how fans are on here. And while I may disagree with you bringing this up 167 times a year, I have never felt that way about Sussex, because besides the mess with RH, you seem like a great guy and great fan.
I SPEAK IN OBJECTIVE TERMS ABOUT ANY TEAM SO STOP KISSING YOU KNOW WHAT, I HAVE PRAISED RIVERHEADS ON NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS. WHAT CHAMPION DOESNT GET CRITICISED ?
 
I have nothing but respect for the red team, I'm not a fan but when you stay on top haters are going to hate especially when you can't beat them. Been there and done that. If you don't admire Riverheads program then you don't have a clue what it takes to win as a TEAM. A lot of programs try to do what they Do on the off-season but the kids are to lazy or not doing the right work. Castro has it going on with a community that back him. I hope they win it every year untill my team gets to that spot.
lol
 
Here goes and please stay with me in this one.

First, the top four in every division but 6A has to play up the following playoff year if they point out enough to make the cut. If they can’t get in the playoffs in the next class up they sit out a cycle.

The bottom four of every division is eligible to play down a class in the playoffs if they have enough points.

It would be like club league soccer and would end up with some interesting matchups. Your regular season would still require you to gain power points by defeating winning programs so you seed well regardless of which class you would be playing in for the post season.

This solves the dynasty concern and mixes the matchups up enough that it should get some new faces pretty regular.

Now that would have a bunch of AD’s pulling their hair out along with coaching staffs. How does that do in solving your dynasty issue there @trutiger16? I have mentioned this before and most people think I am crazy but I do believe it would spark some interest back into a sport.
I like part of your plan except Im not a fan of rewarding a team for not being very good as in the bottom 4 make the playoffs plus what about division 1 who will those bottom 4 play since they are already the lowest division?
 
I SPEAK IN OBJECTIVE TERMS ABOUT ANY TEAM SO STOP KISSING YOU KNOW WHAT, I HAVE PRAISED RIVERHEADS ON NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS. WHAT CHAMPION DOESNT GET CRITICISED ?

See man, you are still looking at the negative. In no form did I ever say you didn't praise them, but when you post more negative things about them then positive about your own team then that is where you get the reactions you get.

I couldn't care less if you like them or not. But you aren't objective. When you try to make them look like they refuse to move up, when you don't know the rule, but have to be sarcastic when someone tells you the rule, then that isnt objective
 
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For variety, I certainly want Chilhowie to win this Saturday, but if not , it will all be OK. 1A sports (all 1a) are cyclical. Someone will eventually knock them off. I have nothing against Riverheads, but honestly I am much more excited for the 2A game, because there is a new twist in it this year. Either way good luck and don't hang around Salem long or your way home may be pretty rough!
 
For variety, I certainly want Chilhowie to win this Saturday, but if not , it will all be OK. 1A sports (all 1a) are cyclical. Someone will eventually knock them off. I have nothing against Riverheads, but honestly I am much more excited for the 2A game, because there is a new twist in it this year. Either way good luck and don't hang around Salem long or your way home may be pretty rough!

I am pulling for Chilhowie to win as well.

However, I disagree with your comment that all 1A sports are always just cyclical if you are basing it on athletic talent that rises and falls (stars).

Some (a few) coaches can have a winning program that dominates year after year regardless of current athletic talent flow.

Riverheads in football is definitely the perfect example.

Riverheads Football will only fall if Coach Casto and his system leaves. It would take about 2 or 3 years then it would begin the fall to mediocrity or collapse outright (unless everything else remained the same).

Or if the student population decreases greatly to another school or area.
 
I am pulling for Chilhowie to win as well.

However, I disagree with your comment that all 1A sports are always just cyclical if you are basing it on athletic talent that rises and falls (stars).

Some (a few) coaches can have a winning program that dominates year after year regardless of current athletic talent flow.

Riverheads in football is definitely the perfect example.

Riverheads Football will only fall if Coach Casto and his system leaves. It would take about 2 or 3 years then it would begin the fall to mediocrity or collapse outright (unless everything else remained the same).

Or if the student population decreases greatly to another school or area.

I'm not saying that coaching won't still make them a quality team, but let's not under value talent. Riverheads will eventually drop off...how far??? No idea. Maybe very little. But there is still going to be a cycle. I will say that after re-reading my previous post it did sound like I was under-valuing coaching. That was not my intent. A good coaching staff will keep a mediocre team relevant, but you need the players (and coaches) to stay at the very top.
 
I'm not saying that coaching won't still make them a quality team, but let's not under value talent. Riverheads will eventually drop off...how far??? No idea. Maybe very little. But there is still going to be a cycle. I will say that after re-reading my previous post it did sound like I was under-valuing coaching. That was not my intent. A good coaching staff will keep a mediocre team relevant, but you need the players (and coaches) to stay at the very top.

Sure Riverheads has talent - not sure if they have more talented kids than Stuarts Draft, Lee, Luray, and Page etc.

What is the difference?

Casto's teams beat more athletic and talented teams all the time. Just like Goochland.
 
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