Big matchup. The Brookville Bees and LCA Bulldogs, have rolled everyone they have played. I have the Dogs +17. What say you?
Dogs vs Bees!?
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Id rather see the bees sting the dogs but i expect the dogs bite them by 2 TDs.
Liberty Cheating Academy travels to Stinger Stadium to battle the Bees. Two explosive offense and stingy defenses. Should be a good one with the best team assembled vs the senior heavy bees.
I know Brookville defense has given up more points than LCA has but Brookville has played slightly better competition just based on opponents win-loss record. I think it will be a high scoring contest with LCA getting the W in the end. I'm curious to see how LCA's defense does against a really good run game in Brookville. This game will reveal a lot about both teams.
Agree it will show a lot about both teams. Liberty Cheating Academy was "built" for games like this. Glad we are into district play with good games each week.
My biggest gripe with them is the unfair advantage they have being tied to Liberty University. This goes for all sports not just football. When you are able to bring student athletes into your high school that are committed to a college you are affiliated with to get them into the program. Have them workout and be taught by college coaches it gives you an unfair advantage over other high schools in my opinion.
Bees need to find a way to keep the chains moving or they're gonna get blown out of the stadium just like the last three times they've played. They have no chance in a shootout with LCA.
To me this years Liberty Cheating Academy team does not appear to be as loaded as years past but still very good.
I've always wondered about this. Do they have access to the college facilities? Because that is a major advantage to have.
I know many years ago there was an agreement between LCA and Liberty and that if a student attended LCA for a certain number of years, that they also then were able to go to Liberty for free or reduced tuition. Is that still a thing? Was it ever and my memory failed me?
they don't, the football team pays to use LUs football field for home games but they are in the process of trying to build their own stadium if im not mistaken.
The free/reduced tuition has ended but the "host" families and paid LCA tuition is still a thing. As far as facilities goes I am not sure it is more of this athlete will attend LU after graduation so they move and transfer to LCA to be in the program under LU guidance.
They do not have access to the college facilities other than playing home football games at LU. To my knowledge that have their own practice facilities for each sport besides track and tennis.
y'all believe Hugh Freeze takes the time out of his days to go find prospects to recruit to LCA to commit to coming to play in CUSA so he can bolster the roster at the HS and have access to putting them under his watch and program sooner than enrolling mid year?
But regardless, I've given up engaging with LCA's evangelists on this board - the goal posts always move. First it was, "well just cause you say it is so, doesn't mean they actually recruit".....then that eventually transitioned into, "well everyone does it, here are all the other schools that I know do it too!"(I've always been of the belief that "well they do it too!" has got to be one of the worst arguments of all time). Then last year it was, "well what player from this area wouldn't want to transfer there to get the recruiting exposure they provide?!" Then this year, senior QB with offer from U of Miami transfers four states away from the recruitment exposure mecca of south Florida and it moved to, "Do we actually know he has an offer? Is he even that good?" As if the answer to either of those questions has ANYTHING to do with whether or not illegal recruiting happened.
Article in the Lynchburg News and Advance plainly states that LU is building the facility for LCA, and they(LU) got a big thank you from Lynchburg City Council for doing so.
Why Would a kid that played at IMG leave there just to play at LCA if it wasn't something in it for him ? Rocca got on TV and said jeb moon will be there QB Then 2 games later they put this guy inn ? Jeb has been working hard to earn that spot . You Can't trust LCA it's a very shady school.
Come on now no one on here is saying Freeze is out doing this. You saying that is just trying minimize the fact that this is going on by coaches in multiple sports at LCA/LU. I have been told by an assistant girls basketball coach about how "good of a set up" they had. Girls would transfer into LCA to be apart of the program and prepare for LU since they had already verbally committed to LU.
This is true. It happens in basketball more than football. Started with Elijah Cuffee who was the player of the year in West Virginia his junior year. He committed to LU, then moved to Lynchburg and played for LCA his senior year.
Last year they had a transfer onto their girls basketball team from North Carolina. She has committed to LU if I'm not mistaken. The girl was a Sophomore and was one of the top 5 players in the area. Led LCA to the district tournament championship. I don't think anyone expected LCA to be in the conversation until she showed up. I ain't mad. I like watching her play and the competition.
Lot of truth to that statement.
Although, they stretch the rules to benefit themselves athletically for sure.
I teach in an other district and have had two kids that were in my classroom end up there, "reclassify" and do an extra year in middle school to be a year older and physically bigger and better for high school.
I've also been to a game (years ago before they were part of the VHSL) and there was a family in front of me with a players number on pins and shirts. I asked them if that was their son (knowing it wasn't unless adopted) and they said that "he lives with us".
Kid who went to school in our district end up there. 6'6" 325 lbs and played in the league for several years. He sure could have helped our program!
Just a tough pill when you see some of the better athletes from the surrounding schools end up there and you have to compete against kids from your own district.
Yea, I remember when Massie went there. I get it, but people complain every year and for what. LCA has all these perceived great advantages and have only won state championships in baseball two times. If I were a betting man, I'm always going to take the field over them.
Just because they have not won titles does not mean that the advantages they are afforded with the direct connection to LU is ok.
Most of the people who are upset (I'm guessing) are the ones who have to play them year in an year out and see "the kid down the street" lining up for LCA. Even if LCA doesn't win the championship its tough for local teams to lose to them when they are playing with kids from their neighborhoods who play for LCA
In saying all that, I believe in what the school stands for (maybe not how some of the things are done) but in the mission of the school. I understand parents wanting their kids to go to school there. The "muddy" come when they compete in sports against each other and it seems as the "talented" kids end up there a good bit.
I agree with this. I like the mission of the school just have a problem with the sports and the way a lot of the people over there carry themselves.
So y’all have given me roughly 2 instances of players who are/were on the men’s and women’s basketball teams at LU, and a couple of baseball prospects allegedly. If I’m not mistaken didnt these kids earn their scholarship offers prior to coming to LCA? Several kids move year in and year out , and by LCA being a private school parents from all over America may want to place their kid in the foothills of one of the worlds largest Christian schools. Particularly with the way the world is going and many rooted in their faith it seems like a “safer” option. I’m not nieve but there’s multiple reasons to move and LCA isn’t the best school for sports or resources in VA. many of you allude to in regards to LCA and LU connection but where does it rank in the state?
The local kids wanting to move and play there isn’t far fetched most of the local schools aren’t appealing as they once were, playing with my friends or going to compete for a championship is the question now. The last team to win a c3 or c4 championship out of the Seminole would either be Brookville or Heritage…and that’s been some years now and folks complained about those teams having transfers etc - again folks are crying over spilled milk. The kids may feel overmatched but I know they won’t forget playing at LCA(LU) facilities which many in CVA wont have an opportunity to do past high school.
The local kids wanting to move and play there isn’t far fetched most of the local schools aren’t appealing as they once were, playing with my friends or going to compete for a championship is the question now. The last team to win a c3 or c4 championship out of the Seminole would either be Brookville or Heritage…and that’s been some years now and folks complained about those teams having transfers etc - again folks are crying over spilled milk. The kids may feel overmatched but I know they won’t forget playing at LCA(LU) facilities which many in CVA wont have an opportunity to do past high school.
I've always thought, if you want to transfer then transfer. Win with you, win without you. I do like what the school stands for but as with anything or anyone, there are things I don't agree with. I'm a Christian but I don't like how some Christians act.
I’ll comment on this in reverse order : the Lynchburg tax payers weren’t happy about footing a bill to build an athletic facility for a private school. Liberty football specifically isn’t wanting a HS team on their field every other week or 5/10 weeks out of their season, which resulted in a dilemma - who’s going to fund it? Liberty has a surplus of funds and since they have power within the city they elected to build the facility which doesn’t cost the constituents and allows them to get their goal resolved separating the high school from the college entirely.
the goalpost shifting to fit the argument is merely people feeling different about issues…every school recruits it’s just a matter of how good the school is at recruiting or at sports and the impact it has — players colude to play together, parents do as well , as coaches want to coach the best team to bolster their own prowess with wins and championships everyone apart of the recruitment scheme seeks some form of benefit but the results don’t always align with the goal so the there’s no proof argument always arises if you can’t prove I did. The everyone is doing it is more so a fact than a fallacy, Pandora’s box was opened with NIL, recruitment might not be as big in the smaller city of Lynchburg as it is in other locales. I know some Salem faithful can attest to the year in and year out debate of who they do/don’t recruit to become a spartan and can they move or be moved into the Salem zone. If you go to Richmond, 757 etc there’s examples and as I said it’s not perfect or moral high ground but it’s reality. In football or most sports kids have a dream to go play at the next level and moving schools to get exposure is a norm nowadays, the competition you play with or against does get held against you if you aren’t a generational or exceptional talent. Many schools like a St Frances/Dematha/IMG/etc have players get recruited because they are on the team and see the field marginally because those other studs not because they’re Better than player x in small town, it’s about who they train against and etc. they still have to perform but it’s easier to be noticed at a football powerhouse/factory than a local public hs. Nobody claims it’s 100% accurate but it’s not difficult to see if you go by the numbers. Then the transfers in now — who knows the motive ? Could be the parent took a job in central va, or at a university in the area. Now about the kid leaving IMG I don’t think the university of Miami offered a full ride (maybe a PWO) if so why ain’t the kid playing/starting and not splitting reps for lil ole LCA ? He hasnt shown much and I’m almost positive the state schools would’ve taken note as they are in need of better talent in their locker rooms. Neither has offered him and I don’t see that changing. So to me the narrative he came for athletic purposes or a promise to get to LU is far fetched. The wake forest coach said the qb had 16 power 5 offers but chose LU, and he damn sure didn’t transfer to LCA to garner that attention.
I see your logic and understand your reasoning but it seems like your issues with the school are merely
tough pill to swallow for sure but let’s be honest would Bobby Massie have made it to the NFL or on a power 5 roster without attending LCA? I can’t yes but I also can’t say no, he went to LCA and still went to hard grave which is actually where he gained all that national attention so again the place he was at not where he was helped mold him into that 5 star prospect well before the camp circuits and etc were around. They were in the infant stages then — which goes back to the question of would playing for Appomattox his local school had allowed him the same success?
Like, "how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop?".
I guess we'll never know.
I always chuckle when I hear Salem recruits. If they do they must start in 3rd grade because the overwhelming majority of the kids play together from South, West, East, & Carver Elementary schools on up through HS.
Agreed but I would be willing to bet my last dollar that Appomattox during those years didn’t have a player to play at a FCS/FBS school or one make it to the league. 2004-2008 I think the team won less than 10 games during that 3 year window (2-8) (1-9) (2-8) and when they moved to the dogwood which would’ve been his senior year they went (8-3) with a first round playoff exit. I don’t like to speak on what ifs or what could’ve been but the reality is at that point in time the program was not in a good space until it went to the smaller classification which other than coaches coming in to see his size and grades and then evaluate the game tape the answer to the question looms large that without having him on their campus for a camp would he had gained offers which didn’t come until hardgrave.
LCA was recruiting way before travel ball started but I blame a lot of transferring on that. Get mad on one team and hop to the next one, or momma or daddy start their own. Trickles up to high school in my opinion. Btw, if you can play, they will find you, no matter where you are, but you better have more than talent, grades and behavior mean a lot as well.
I used to think this same thing until my brother played with 2 very famous and honorable individuals that are brothers in college that made it to the pros who Salem would’ve loved to have in their program and wanted there but at the time they had interest in one brother but didn’t really care for the other which made the mother keep the kids at the school they were originally attending, again this is “lore” but the family is very respectable and honest people so do with it as you want
And the key thing you said was majority are home grown and rise through the little league feeder - leaves room for some wiggle room to fill out the roster
they can find you , but in all honesty many are overlooked which is why a contingent players who are in the NFL come from d3, d2, hbcus and etc the system has been flawed for a long time but now not so much as it once was
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