fort has a great defense and bailey bailed them out against Radford. They held Floyd to about 60-70yds of offense in the first 3quarters. Forts offensive coordinator is awful. He runs the same play 65-70 percent of the time. I attended the Floyd game and felt sorry for the kids. Fort had about 300yds to floyds 200yds of offense and feel we have enough skill talent not to have all eleven men in the middle of the field. Bailey shouldn't have to bail him out. A decent coordinator and fort wins by 3-4 TD's. Is Padgent(don't know if I spelled right) not here anymore. Who is it? We won't have a chance against Galax or Graham.
Fort Chiswell
- Thread starter Fort power 80
- Start date
300 yards of offense is not good enough? That is a bunch more yards than the Dallas Cowboys had yesterday.
That's a scary statement you made about 300 yards of offense. It shows you don't know a ton about football or you are still living in 1978. Offenses have evolved like defenses. There are 129 teams this year in FBS College Football (formerly known as Div 1). If a team this year in College Football averages 300 yards per game, there offense would rank 114th out of 129 teams. Lets say a team averages 350 yards of offense per game (bump it up for the sake of argument from 300 to 350). A team averaging 350 yards of offense per game would rank 100th in the nation in total offense out of 129 total teams. They put up on average 350 yards of offense per game. What do they rank in total offense? 100th out of 129 teams.
I am going to shock you a little more. Lets say a team averages 400 yards of offense per game in football. That team is UAB this year. They rank 75th in America out of 129 teams in total offense and they are considered, "below average" in offense. High School and College are similar regarding offense rankings-yards per game etc. High School offenses that put up 350 yards per game in today's time are average to below average. 1980 was 37 years ago. Now, if a team puts up 350 yds per game and they average 340 rushing yards per game out of the total of 350, that's different. That's usually not the case though.
Therefore, as to whether 300 yards of offense is good enough as your question implied, the answer clearly and overwhelming statistically proven is "it's not anywhere close to being good enough. It's actually poor." On the flip side of that, any team (defense) that holds an opponent at the High School Level or College level under 300 total yards in today's time has actually played, lights out defense. Don't believe it, Miami of Ohio ranks 29th in the nation in total defense this year out of 129 teams. They give up 299.8 yards per game. Their defense is statistically, pretty dang good. If Miami of Ohio's defense gives up 300 yards of game on average in the year of 1990, they would rank 8th in the nation. See my point?
Last edited:
I think if you are down 7 and have 1st and 20 and you call a dive it piss poor plsay calling you run a pass play with only 2 receivers on routes and the defence has 10 between the hashes within 7yds of the ball and you run dives its por play calling but if all you know is split veer and no other formation it's all you can do
I think high school coaches do an outstanding job preparing their players for games, but are mostly terrible at playcalling.
too many wasted plays running up middle. How many times have we seen a run on first and second down, for little or no gain. Then try to pass on 3rd and long ?
Every man in America thinks he knows how to do two things better than every other man in America.
1. Cook on a grill
2. Coach football
Next time that job comes open, please apply.
1. Cook on a grill
2. Coach football
Next time that job comes open, please apply.
I don't think I'm better but it says a lot when women in the stands say why are they running up the middle again and take time to tell the coach it ain't working
I hear more women in the stands, talking about play calling , than I do men. More women approach me at McDonald's and on the streets and parking lots, and complain about play calling, than men.
With that topic of college football, the top teams in college are putting up over 500 total offense that is the top 20 teams in the category of total offense. However, 300 yards in a high school game (not college) in Southwest VA where teams are more run heavy (there are exceptions) only through 3 quarters is doing good. We are talking HS sports and I made the comment about Dallas because they are an NFL team and should be putting up over 300 a game. The top team NE is averaging 460 at this point in the season. Can you find the actual average number of total offense for the high school teams in America and cross reference it with college and NFL? I would be interested to see how they fair with those levels of competition. College teams are averaging at the top team just over 600 and in the NFL top team 463. I bet high school average would be around 400 or just higher. Lots of teams in the high school can skew that number one way or the other....
You do know that every play is designed to score a touchdown... sometimes they are blocked properly and other they are not...
had a coach few years ago believed in that you block it right it will work he's out of a job
but there are plays that have a higher chance of getting 20 yds Than a dive up the middle
but there are plays that have a higher chance of getting 20 yds Than a dive up the middle
I think coaches listen to fans more than you think. Someone at the game keep yelling, run it up the middle again and you know what? They kept trying to run it up the middle. At one point in the game, I thought Floyd had 2 all world CB's because we never throw the ball in their direction. Oh wait, we were to busy trying to run up the middle. I hope The Fort gets some video on Auburn for next week, so maybe we can mix it up a bit. When all else fells, run it up the middle.
running up middle is normally the least productive play in football, for most teams. Now for teams like Giles, Riverheads and Staunton River, it's a good play.
LC Bird won a few titles with running the ball up the middle. I have seen many highlights of most of the teams in the Richmond area with long runs from straight up the middle. Guess their coaches believed that running up the middle works as well. Just because a team runs the "spread" does not mean they don't run the ball up the middle and not have success. FB/QB traps work great. Just saying.
I have always said the best play in football is a QB draw up middle.
In previous post I was alluding to the many "bad" teams that run up middle with little or no hope for success.Play after play. They're "out there" every Friday night.
In previous post I was alluding to the many "bad" teams that run up middle with little or no hope for success.Play after play. They're "out there" every Friday night.
@HR6, I know we have went over this a thousand times with you but some teams just don't have the talent to run the spread. I was at a game this past Friday night in SC. Both teams were 4A running a version of the spread. It was 17-0 at the half but it took 1:45 hours to play a half. Dropped balls and some penalties and it's unwatchable. I seen plenty of athletes and don't get me wrong at times it looked like a college game but the vast majority of the half I watched was horrible. The one team was/is a serious contender for the title this year.
I will say again what you have admitted and others have stated, some teams are successful with a power running game. In my humble opinion the chances of having the athletes to run a highly successful version of the spread at 1A or 2A is not as probable as say a 4A or 5A school. The oool of players are just not there.
The schools I am referring to that I watched have B, C, and D teams that play so imagine the number of kids that are coming out to play from those schools.
What's your thoughts on a team starting with G winning 2A? I know you are always going on about that, lol.
I will say again what you have admitted and others have stated, some teams are successful with a power running game. In my humble opinion the chances of having the athletes to run a highly successful version of the spread at 1A or 2A is not as probable as say a 4A or 5A school. The oool of players are just not there.
The schools I am referring to that I watched have B, C, and D teams that play so imagine the number of kids that are coming out to play from those schools.
What's your thoughts on a team starting with G winning 2A? I know you are always going on about that, lol.
The G teams have taken a step backwards in past couple of years. Right now I would say Goochland has best chance this season.
Fair enough, I think that A team will still be a tough out again if anybody can do it.
I don't hate running up the middle, but when you have all your offense between the hash, but one and that is a token wideout.
The defense has 10 between the hash and the safety is walked up to the linebackers the dive is not the best play, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We ran the drive 75 percent of our plays.
We didn't run the spread at all. They had 10 men in the box and we had 11. No guessing in what we were going to do. I'm a fan of spreading the defense and hitting them up the middle. It's kinda one on one at that point. Just saying.
3 yards a play that's a first down every four plays. I've seen fans for other teams just get all excited when they stop us for 3 yard gain but that's all we need to gain.
In a perfect world your logic would work every time. Unless the defense stopped you for a two yard gain. Then that would be 8 yards and a turnover on downs. Would that be good defense or just bad offense? I've totally confused myself. What are we talking about again?? LoL!!
A win is a win don't think you look back say we had 500 yds offense you look back and say we won.
Exciting football to some, not to others. Just a personal preference. These games with passing teams last longer as well.
But I can't imagine even you liking to watch teams that run spread and don't do it well. 50+ passes and 20 completions would be TERRIBLE to watch to me. Remember the saying, 3 things can happen when you pass and 2 of them are bad
I recall Gretna falling behind Nelson County back in 99 or 2000, I believe. The Gretna QB threw 52 passes that game.
I recall being at Coaches Clinic in Hampton once, and a coach from one of the most successful high schools in the state was talking about their defensive game plans. He said they were designed to give every opponent 2 yards a play. "then it would be 4th and 4 and they're punting".
I recall being at Coaches Clinic in Hampton once, and a coach from one of the most successful high schools in the state was talking about their defensive game plans. He said they were designed to give every opponent 2 yards a play. "then it would be 4th and 4 and they're punting".
Yes that would be their goal. But 3 incomplete passes and it is 4th and 10. I would rather see a drive 3 yards a play than wide open offense with incompletions. Sure some teams have to throw a lot to come back, or even start out throwing a lot, but the game is the same.
Coaches do what they know and what they feel is in the best interest of their team. Not one offense or defense is good for everyone
This is true, and SOME are too hard headed to listen to reason that throwing the ball 75 % of time isn't the best option for every team in the nation.
Ask any of the many Riverheads or Giles fans on these boards, would their teams be anywhere near as good if they were "spread" teams
Riverheads probably average over 40 points a game the last 6 or 7 years that's pretty good offense for a running team. And the defense even knows what we are going to run.lol
There are LOTS of them across the country, meaning that there isn't a specific offense/defense for everyone
