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MV 27 GW 26 F
MV scored first in OT, kicked the PAT
GW scored, and went for 2 because their K was hurt I believe? Pass was picked.
Yeah, just saw it. Crap, needed those rider points. Two weeks in a row…, so close.
I was hoping for a surprise from FC, so Salem could get 2 rider pts, but LB held them off by a FG.
Salem's secure now, I think. They'll pick up 2-3 more next week (FC and Mburg have almost gimme wins and Fleming should beat Byrd although who knows with those programs). Louisa's OOD had to be near-perfect to pass Salem and that basically already came and went for them. They should grab one next week but that's probably it from them.
Beat PH and hope LCA gets the job done and that should keep Salem home for the first three games, if they go that far.
Our kicker abruptly quit after week three. This has been a difficult year.
That was their last game too. Didn't get a replacement for SC team that didn't want to play
GW is a proud program with a long history of success so missing the playoffs is news. I don't think anyone thought it was possible but even great programs will experience years where things just don't go their way. Some will say this post is making excuses. Fair enough but facts are facts. I also don't expect to get any sympathy from GW haters.
A GW coach confided in me last spring that if he could lead this group to 5 or 6 wins and a playoff spot Nick Anderson should be district coach of the year. That statement was based on a lot of factors but mainly what the Eagles lost from 21 and what they knew they had coming back. Even with that no one could have predicted that GW would lose one of their best players (KD) to a torn ACL early in the season, have a returning all district kicker quit 3 games into the season for no apparent reason, have 2 potential starters removed before the first game for violating a major school/team rule, lose another good player (OH) for the first 3 games because of an injury, no one could see (especially the officials) an illegal forward pass being the difference at Bassett last week, etc. etc.
Despite all of the above and then some coach Anderson and his staff brought this team along. Yes, they fell short but there is no doubt they got better all season. Looking forward to 23 the Eagles have eight starters returning on defense and six on offense. A high number of role players also gained a lot of valuable experience. The JV Eagles only blemish so far is a season opening tie against Salem. Also, the GW middle school team has rolled through their season averaging close to 50 points per game. The GW Eagles will be back. Buckle up Piedmont District opponents. Enjoy what you experienced this season because your future ride is going to a rough one.
A GW coach confided in me last spring that if he could lead this group to 5 or 6 wins and a playoff spot Nick Anderson should be district coach of the year. That statement was based on a lot of factors but mainly what the Eagles lost from 21 and what they knew they had coming back. Even with that no one could have predicted that GW would lose one of their best players (KD) to a torn ACL early in the season, have a returning all district kicker quit 3 games into the season for no apparent reason, have 2 potential starters removed before the first game for violating a major school/team rule, lose another good player (OH) for the first 3 games because of an injury, no one could see (especially the officials) an illegal forward pass being the difference at Bassett last week, etc. etc.
Despite all of the above and then some coach Anderson and his staff brought this team along. Yes, they fell short but there is no doubt they got better all season. Looking forward to 23 the Eagles have eight starters returning on defense and six on offense. A high number of role players also gained a lot of valuable experience. The JV Eagles only blemish so far is a season opening tie against Salem. Also, the GW middle school team has rolled through their season averaging close to 50 points per game. The GW Eagles will be back. Buckle up Piedmont District opponents. Enjoy what you experienced this season because your future ride is going to a rough one.
Not making any excuses either but we often forget that Danville as most of us know it is gone. I don’t care who says otherwise but our still beloved city is dead and we’ve lost a good percentage of our youth. 18 year old walks into the mall last night and kills another. Gangs, rap music and other ignorance has overtaken the importance of education and pride. Kuddos to the young men in the GW program for battling to the end. They could’ve very well quit and been doing what a lot of their peers are doing. Keep the city of Danville in your prayers cause our kids need it.
I live all the way over here in Williamsburg but used to work for the Dept. ABC snd visited Danville several times. Your right, times are tough and have things have changed in Danville. Those players have achieved quite a bit staying focused on football.
I do not view any of the reasons here as excuses, rather mere statements of fact of occurrences. Another fact is GW won 3 games this year and, if memory serves correct, you have to go back to around 1963 or so to find a season equivalent or less in wins. The final fact is while this schedule had some good teams on it the level of competition is no where close to what GW has played in the majority of the last 60 or so years. The situation as presently exists has been a long time coming and absent a few fortuitous bounces could have happened before now. The real excuses have been made over the last 20 years or more by decision makers and people in power to cover their lack of action that has pervaded the City and its school system and resulted in the situation that now exists today. Just my two cents and maybe not even worth that. Good luck to the kids and coaches in the offseason.
"but our still beloved city is dead"
This is so patently insipid and untrue that it merits no rebuttal. That you think it is even REMOTELY accurate is evidence that no further discussion is needed.
This is so patently insipid and untrue that it merits no rebuttal. That you think it is even REMOTELY accurate is evidence that no further discussion is needed.
Correct-The post conveys no knowledge of what is going on in Danville economic development or the current numbers and resources in the GW program.
If one looks at GW payoff losses from 1974 forward to 2021, most of the schools have hit hard times this year, Hampton, Hylton. Farfield. Woodbridge, Potomac. Osbourn. Salem has not.
I know you are much more intimately connected than I am, but I respectfully somewhat disagree with you Tommy and Chuck.
Do I believe that there are people trying hard to right the ship in Danville? Absolutely. But I also have see in almost every case, a locality has grand plans and gives the prospective improvements lip service, only to see little or no change.
Please don’t get me wrong, I’m rooting for Danville. Hell, I’m rooting for my home town, Petersburg. I want to see a turnaround and prosperity return. But grand plans and throwing money at the problem ain’t going to fix squat.
I don’t know what the answer is. And I hope you guys can point at me and say I told you so. I really and honestly do. But until there is sustainable improvement, I have to basically agree with Bo. The fabric of the once great town of Danville is tattered and torn. The core of proud working men an women have either moved on or given up. But worst of all is the terrible slide that the school system is on. (Like most other similar cities!).
How to reverse it? I wish I knew.
Do I believe that there are people trying hard to right the ship in Danville? Absolutely. But I also have see in almost every case, a locality has grand plans and gives the prospective improvements lip service, only to see little or no change.
Please don’t get me wrong, I’m rooting for Danville. Hell, I’m rooting for my home town, Petersburg. I want to see a turnaround and prosperity return. But grand plans and throwing money at the problem ain’t going to fix squat.
I don’t know what the answer is. And I hope you guys can point at me and say I told you so. I really and honestly do. But until there is sustainable improvement, I have to basically agree with Bo. The fabric of the once great town of Danville is tattered and torn. The core of proud working men an women have either moved on or given up. But worst of all is the terrible slide that the school system is on. (Like most other similar cities!).
How to reverse it? I wish I knew.
What do the numbers tell you? Enrollment trends? Graduation rates? Sports participation rates? Teacher turnover? Administration turnover? I don't think you can pin this on a single year, much less dismiss it as Danville is just like all the others. Danville has had a few economic wins and no doubt their economic troubles were not all of their own making but, there is still the question of resource allocation and prioritization and actual decisions made, not made or deferred over the last 10 - 20 years. While a new track and stadium repairs are a positive, they are long overdue and somewhat akin to giving a patient meds long after the organs have begun to shut down and the question becomes is it too little, too late?
@tommythecpa and @Chuck Vipperman (GW) you guys make me proud to be a Virginian. I genuinely appreciate your love for your chosen City of Danville and applaud your dedication. @BoKnowsSports based on your career path I fully understand your frustration and disappointment in a once proud City. The reality is drugs, gangs, and criminal activity is running amok in both urban and rural areas. Each of you have or continue to play a part in young peoples lives and I beg you not to give up or give in. That is exactly what the the criminal element (gangs) desire for you to do. They want your children and grandchildren. @DinwiddieProud you make some valid points as well, but it takes people, money and other resources to reclaim communities. I have worked with juveniles for 34 years and I can tell you they love the structure sports/activities give them. We can debate this all day long, but the citizens of the United States, Virginia, and Danville have the power to mandate change. Get rid of the "donothins", choose the right leaders, support them, and get knee deep in your community. Trust me, it does take a village to raise a child.
I guess maybe that is part of what I was trying to say, but didn’t use the best words. So thank you BN. And thank you to you other guys. I know you give your heart and soul to help kids.
We will have to disagree. Yes...we have taken shots in the groin with the simultaneous decline of the tobacco and textile industries. We are still WELL behind where we want to be. But every measurable metric screams "improvement." And intangible metrics scream that as well.
Ten years ago, you could not have paid me enough money to walk along Main or Craghead after sundown. Today, we have over two-thousand people living in the River District and traffic has become a most-welcome issue.
The casino is just the tip of the iceberg. The US Navy is investing 30 million dollars on a training center that will directly and indirectly create nearly a thousand jobs. There is also a Mega Park just outside of town that is going to land a MAJOR announcement within 12 months. I cannot reveal my sources, but I'm in the news business. Put two-and-two together.
With the exception of my four years in college, I have spent all 55 years of my life here. We are trending upward...at a sharper trajectory than I can remember. The people who have turned Danville-bashing into a cottage industry are losing more and more ammunition each day, and I couldn't be happier.
Ten years ago, you could not have paid me enough money to walk along Main or Craghead after sundown. Today, we have over two-thousand people living in the River District and traffic has become a most-welcome issue.
The casino is just the tip of the iceberg. The US Navy is investing 30 million dollars on a training center that will directly and indirectly create nearly a thousand jobs. There is also a Mega Park just outside of town that is going to land a MAJOR announcement within 12 months. I cannot reveal my sources, but I'm in the news business. Put two-and-two together.
With the exception of my four years in college, I have spent all 55 years of my life here. We are trending upward...at a sharper trajectory than I can remember. The people who have turned Danville-bashing into a cottage industry are losing more and more ammunition each day, and I couldn't be happier.
This may or may not be deeper than I think so I'll just ask: why does Danville, a city of 42,000 people, have an ADM enrollment number of barely 20 more students than Salem, a city of 25,000 people? I checked the 2020 Census numbers, both cities share a similar percentage of youth population (Danville 22% 18 and younger, Salem 19%).
I'm only using Salem as a comparison because I know Salem's size and its enrollment numbers have been incredibly consistent for decades, never ballooning or shrinking rapidly, much like its population size over the years so it seems like a good basis of comparison. The discussion in the thread made me curious and so I noticed Danville's population has shrunk (although that effectively stopped entirely in the past decade so that's a good sign for them) and then someone mentioned enrollment issues and so I was curious how a city nearly 170% the size of Salem has barely any more students enrolled when they, by census numbers, have a relatively similar size of their population school-aged and thus should have considerably more kids in school or at least one would think as such.
Are kids being drawn to the Magnet school, is homeschooling a big thing in Danville, or are kids flat out not being enrolled as they should be? This also could be more of a thing than I realize at other cities, I've just never sat down and looked at the size of the cities in C4 relative to the size of the school enrollment figures.
I'm only using Salem as a comparison because I know Salem's size and its enrollment numbers have been incredibly consistent for decades, never ballooning or shrinking rapidly, much like its population size over the years so it seems like a good basis of comparison. The discussion in the thread made me curious and so I noticed Danville's population has shrunk (although that effectively stopped entirely in the past decade so that's a good sign for them) and then someone mentioned enrollment issues and so I was curious how a city nearly 170% the size of Salem has barely any more students enrolled when they, by census numbers, have a relatively similar size of their population school-aged and thus should have considerably more kids in school or at least one would think as such.
Are kids being drawn to the Magnet school, is homeschooling a big thing in Danville, or are kids flat out not being enrolled as they should be? This also could be more of a thing than I realize at other cities, I've just never sat down and looked at the size of the cities in C4 relative to the size of the school enrollment figures.
Was wondering what you were doing at so many games. Thought, man, he must be a real fan 😂.
It's nice that the River District is prospering. The casino and other ED projects are plusses as well.
I will ask you the same question I asked Tommy earlier. These metrics, tangible or intangible, which "scream" improvement, what might they be as specifically relating to the school system? Enrollment? Graduation rates? Sports participation? Staffing and turnover levels? Other?
As I have told your before I applaud your efforts over decades to promote kids and GW athletics. I also hope that one day I have to return to this board and eat a heaping helping of crow and tell you that you were right. However, I do not see it and view your optimism, as admirable as it may be, as your unwillingness to acknowledge the realities of the actual performance. I realize your position requires a certain level of optimism and support, however, at least in my opinion, to sustain credibility it must also be balanced with reality and objectivity.
Demographics. Danville is, on average, a much older population than Salem. Smaller percentage of school-aged children.
We carried 52 varsity players this year. That's the most in about 15 seasons. The JV numbers were the highest they've been in a decade. MS #s are also up.
While the SOL scores are abysmal, they went up at every last school on all but one singular test at one individual school.
Danville was one of the few school districts in the state to show an INCREASE in enrollment during the current school year.
I realize these facts are at odds with the perpetual pity party that you and you ilk promulgate, but that's not my problem. If you want to wallow in an "everything sucks" world, I will not stop you. The rest of us are far too busy making things better to notice the likes of you.
Sorry if I am coming off as rude, but I have had it up to here with people who seem to revel in negativity about my hometown. Getting pretty damned sick and tired of them, to be quite honest.
You can get offended as much as you like. However, we both know it is because I struck a nerve and hit too close to home and you have very little to respond to the questions asked. You conveniently ignore being unaccredited. You conveniently omit that enrollment means very little if you cannot get them to graduation. You ignore the turnover statistics in staffing. Just to name a few. You can be as rude as you like, vent as much as you wish and do whatever else may make you feel better but, actual performance and results is the only thing that can effectively make your case going forward.
"you have very little to respond to the questions asked."
Except for the part where I SPECIFICALLY answered them. That was a dumb comment.
I am terribly sorry things are not as bad as you wish they were. I am pretty sure you are one of the rare breed of people who is energized by consistent negativity. Fortunately, that is not my cross to bear.
Our community has been devastated, but we are turning it around. And the turnaround will be executed in SPITE of people like you.
Have a nice day.
It's not demographics, though. I mentioned the census numbers for a reason.
Persons aged 65-and-older:
Danville - 20.7%
Salem - 19.3%
Persons aged 18-and-younger:
Danville - 21.9%
Salem - 18.6%
The differential in the younger demographic is almost directly related to the infant population of which Danville is a few percentage points higher which leads me to the conclusion that both cities have nearly the exact same percentage of school-eligible children in their population but Danville is a significantly larger city so their ADM numbers shouldn't essentially be the same.
I'm just asking out of curiosity since others mentioned potential enrollment problems and it just made me check into things a bit. I'm not here to use this as a platform to bash your city or give you grief, if you want to ignore this feel free and I'll take the discussion no further.
The Galileo Magnet High School has more than 200 students. That cuts into GWHS' numbers.
Those numbers are surprising. Danville's percentages have changed significantly over the past decade in this regard!
Comparing Salem to Danville is almost criminal. The City of Salem is more or less what Danville should be modeling itself after. Danville is more comparable to Portsmouth or Petersburg. Very similar demographics, very similar ways of life minus Danville doesn’t have a port or military base. Maybe it’s easier on the outside looking in, but I respect Chuck and what he does for our kids at GW. I’m a homer too. Spent many years on these boards fighting for Danville 😂 let’s just all be grateful that Coach Anderson and Coach Parker (head basketball coach) does a great job with our boys and keeping them in line. Hard finding coaches and adults who truly care.
You can respond with all the personal insults you wish. You can also pat yourself on the back as one who is turning it around. However, when a moment of self awareness finally hits you, you may ask yourself are you actually helping to solve the problem by doing your best Kevin Bacon Animal House impersonation("all is well") or might you actually effect more change by being realistic in your assessment of the situations. Note that applies to both GW football and the Danville Public Schools.
You have a nice evening as well.
GW FB has been the 4d runner up 2 years in a row. GW BB was state champs in 2019 and final four 2020.
I looked back at 10 GW Fb playoff losses and found the teams are 7-47 this year examples-Hylton, North Stafford and Brooke Point.
Danville is certainly not the Danville in 1966 when Goodyear boosted the economy. Danville did not die either when the historical economic pillars of tobacco and textiles faded out. There is a new economy emerging. There will be an influx of money from legal gambling -Danville always had illegal gambling.
The state's number one economic priority is the Berry Hill mega park. It finished second this year for a large Hyundai battery plant this year. Something big will go in there the next 5-8 years which will lift southside.
Danville has also had slight in migration in 2020. Speculators have entered the real estate market in anticipation of future growth.
As Chuck said Danville does gave a better future.
I looked back at 10 GW Fb playoff losses and found the teams are 7-47 this year examples-Hylton, North Stafford and Brooke Point.
Danville is certainly not the Danville in 1966 when Goodyear boosted the economy. Danville did not die either when the historical economic pillars of tobacco and textiles faded out. There is a new economy emerging. There will be an influx of money from legal gambling -Danville always had illegal gambling.
The state's number one economic priority is the Berry Hill mega park. It finished second this year for a large Hyundai battery plant this year. Something big will go in there the next 5-8 years which will lift southside.
Danville has also had slight in migration in 2020. Speculators have entered the real estate market in anticipation of future growth.
As Chuck said Danville does gave a better future.
For your Berry Hill prediction, shorten that to 1-2 years.
Trust me. I have sources.
Seems to me the question still remains as to IF and HOW the economic development gains get translated to both the City of Danville and its school system. The casino and the Mega Park would undeniably be huge wins but, Danville has not been devoid of economic wins the last 20 years either and it still comes back to resource allocation, prioritization and results.
Hopefully there will be a good amount of inward migration of people as well as related companies.
The city has been doing some planning for the potential growth. I think we would all agree that Danville's leadership has left a lot to be desired at times.
The school superintendent at the time did all she could to shortchange GW athletics during Coach Newell's time.
There is way more administrative and community support now.
The city has been doing some planning for the potential growth. I think we would all agree that Danville's leadership has left a lot to be desired at times.
The school superintendent at the time did all she could to shortchange GW athletics during Coach Newell's time.
There is way more administrative and community support now.
I would like nothing more than for your hopes to be true. It is true I have critical things to say, however, critical is not bashing if criticisms are accurate and being skeptical is not wrong if original historical results produce that skepticism. Like a former boss once told me, it does no good to blow smoke up someone's ass when a boot is what is actually needed. Have a good offseason and maybe future results will produce a softening in my skepticism.
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