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For fun, here would be the playoffs for Region A's 17 teams after week 7 (if playoffs started this weekend). 8 teams make it ---
1 Sussex (TR) v 8 Rapp (NNK)
2 Essex (NNK) v 7 Middlesex (Tidewater)
3 W&L (NNK) v 6 Northumberland (NNK)
4 West Point (Tidewater) v 5 Colonial Beach (NNK)
1 Sussex (TR) v 8 Rapp (NNK)
2 Essex (NNK) v 7 Middlesex (Tidewater)
3 W&L (NNK) v 6 Northumberland (NNK)
4 West Point (Tidewater) v 5 Colonial Beach (NNK)
Most teams in A&B appear to have losing records. we could have a 0-10 team make playoffs.
as I posted last week, A & B should be divided with 12 teams in EACH REGION, not 17 in one and 7 in the other. I cannot believe the VHSL is that bad with simple math.
as I posted last week, A & B should be divided with 12 teams in EACH REGION, not 17 in one and 7 in the other. I cannot believe the VHSL is that bad with simple math.
Region A is sending 8, so probably will have 1 team with losing recore, prob Rapp or Franklin. Region B on the other hand is a mess, although Vista record will improve I think. Having said that, Region B top teams are strong and battle tested against some of the best teams in the state at 2A. Region B top teams will certainly have an easy road come playoff time. As far as alignment, it sadly isnt based on math really. Doesnt matter, it is what it is at this point.
I'm sure this has been addressed somewhere, but how many teams is Region B sending to the 1A playoffs?
I don't follow this as closely as some other folks do, but my understanding is that Region B in 1-A will send six teams to the playoffs. If so, then yes an 0-10 team will make the field. The top two seeds will get first-round byes, and the first weekend, 3 will play 6 and 4 will play 5. I have no explanation or understanding as to why the region is so small in number, other than to say that we live in a state with a weird shape.
It is totally stupid for 2 teams to get a bye. why reward them with a bye, when everyone in B is assured of playoffs before season begin. Only region in VHSL where an 0-10 team is a lock to get in playoffs.
Not sure how they were able to come to an agreement on Region B 1A playoffs or groupings. Maybe they just figured putting 2 1A powerhouses (AV & RHS) and a wild card (WC) with some past success was enough for the region, but if that's the case-- make it a 4 team B playoff.
Having winless, and 1 win teams in the playoffs losing by 60 in the first round will likely cause the format to be revised.
This is different than last years version where the double digit seeds most all got rolled by a running clock.
this is only an issue at 1A -- outside of 4-8 teams statewide the rest are pretty terrible.
this is only an issue at 1A -- outside of 4-8 teams statewide the rest are pretty terrible.
Having seen both formats in action several times, I see the positives to both. The regional format, with a few exceptions, holds your travel down as long as possible, because you see two or three teams in your own general area of the state. But the 1-16 seed format offers you the chance to play a lot of different teams you might not otherwise see.
I also think the fans can understand the 1-16 deal a little better than they can the regional concept. It is also a little more fun to follow that format and it can get exciting when a 12 beats a 5 or whatever. Needless to say, March Madness has given us some experience with understanding the concept.
The real beef I will have this year with the regional format is the decision about who goes where when it gets to the state semi-finals. That was always an alternating thing, so in the three years in Division 1 when we had the regional format and my Gladiators won Region B, we had to travel for the semis because we were in even years (2000, 2006, 2010). So this year, we are back to the regional concept, and it is an ODD year, but yet we are being told that the Region B winner will have to travel again to Region A.
We have had some Region A teams come to our place under the 1-16 format, but never under the regional format. Hope it happens that way one of these days.
I also think the fans can understand the 1-16 deal a little better than they can the regional concept. It is also a little more fun to follow that format and it can get exciting when a 12 beats a 5 or whatever. Needless to say, March Madness has given us some experience with understanding the concept.
The real beef I will have this year with the regional format is the decision about who goes where when it gets to the state semi-finals. That was always an alternating thing, so in the three years in Division 1 when we had the regional format and my Gladiators won Region B, we had to travel for the semis because we were in even years (2000, 2006, 2010). So this year, we are back to the regional concept, and it is an ODD year, but yet we are being told that the Region B winner will have to travel again to Region A.
We have had some Region A teams come to our place under the 1-16 format, but never under the regional format. Hope it happens that way one of these days.
Does the running clock apply in the playoffs? I seem to recall someone saying otherwise at some point.
Double digit seeds are always going to be at a disadvantage vs the top seeds, however the last system had some borderline competitive teams making the playoffs as double digit seeds (and I'm not talking about the upper teens teams), but having winless or 1 win teams in the playoffs will never sound like a good idea to me.
I didnt have an issue with the 12 team setup the East had last year, and they probably could have even gone with less. I do think region B has a flawed 1A playoff format this year though. Not that it matters...it is what it is for the next cycle
Now that we're back to the 4-regions per class, will all regions do a floating bracket like the NFL or will matchups in brackets be set?
I remember asking about this back in 2012ish & multiple people swore up and down it was a set bracket. Sure enough, it wasn't!
I remember asking about this back in 2012ish & multiple people swore up and down it was a set bracket. Sure enough, it wasn't!
Well, region A will be 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5. 1-8 winner plays 4-5, 2-7 plays 3-6 region semis. Winners play Region Championship at low seed. Then Region B winner will travel to A. Winner plays C or D in Salem. At least thats what I thought I read
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Yeah, I understand how it goes once it gets to 4 regional champs. I just don't understand why these brackets aren't set so that if 5-8 win first round (laughable, I know), 5 faces 8 & 6 faces 7.
Although I was told otherwise, former 5A NW region now 5D definitely used a floating bracket one year despite multiple assurances that it was a fixed bracket.
Although I was told otherwise, former 5A NW region now 5D definitely used a floating bracket one year despite multiple assurances that it was a fixed bracket.
The playoff formats for each region are on the vhsl website, but it appears it has not been updated since originally posted. Only 14 of the 24 region formats are posted there.
http://www.vhsl.org/football/
click on resources, then click on football playoff format to download the pdf file
http://www.vhsl.org/football/
click on resources, then click on football playoff format to download the pdf file
VHSL should STOP delegating down to regions. All formats should be identical statewide.
I get that region B has geographic challenges, but with only 7 teams, there should be no more than 4 playoff qualifiers. That's still half the field. Essentially, everyone in region B gets a first round bye.
^^^^ I am not a fan of byes. On this me and HR6 are in agreement. And I don't like the concept of teams with losing records getting in but in the overall scheme of things what does it really hurt to have a kid ride a bus for 3 hours and experience an atmosphere that they may never again.
Sure for some it's a whipping, but for some it is a spark that ignites the fire to never let that happen again. Just my two cents anyway
Sure for some it's a whipping, but for some it is a spark that ignites the fire to never let that happen again. Just my two cents anyway
I feel the 1 seeds should get an bye, there is no value what so ever in playing a cupcake in round 1. As a 1 seed you risk key injuries , I would rather rest my players and watch film of ourselves to break down our strengths and weaknesses. Also you get your coaching staff the availability to scout some potential opponents. No team should be rewarded with a playoff spot with an loosing record, any coach who has an 0-10 record should respectfully decline VHSL playoff berth it's embrassing to those kids !
Arighty, I just seen on another site that the VHSL has announced that the higher rated team based on power points will host the state semi's in al divisions. Any fact checkers heard that? I personally can't find it but I know there are several on here that can find out very quickly
I just checked and it looks like you are correct.
WTF?
NND Sports Fan provided the link that the Region A winner will host the Region B winner and then it would rotate around regions. I just saw it like maybe a week ago to verify again.
How can the VHSL change the playoff format 7 weeks into the season????
Something does not sound right?
That's the way it should be power ranking should be for more than just regions otherwise you don't need power points
I wasn't sure it was real but I appreciate the confirmation. Now to finish out strong so you collect all the points you can.
If this was the playoff format all along, then wonderful, no problem. I can certainly see why Riverheads fans are quite pleased with the late season change in format.
Ratings, as they should, set the seedings for all 4 region playoffs. 1 v 8 (1 hosts etc.)
The regions are highly unfair and varied in power (Region A has 17 teams to Region B's 7).
So in 1A (at least) according to the VHSL, the state semi's would alternate host sites based on a predetermined schedule.
I have no problem with ratings and hosting. I like football's complex rating system and wish it could apply to ALL sports.
I have an issue with the VHSL changing their own playoff format 7 weeks into the season....right before the playoffs.
I kinda see your point but as I see it the points are accumulated during the regular season when you have some control of your schedule. Want more points, play better teams or higher classification.
I personally think it's silly to award a ton of points to a 1A school that plays a 1 or 2 win 3A school. In points it's like beating a solid 8-9 win 1A school. Kind defeats the purpose of the points system.
As for the Red team playing at home, the last two years we have traveled in the semi's. Once to GW and once to Galax so I don't think traveling is an issue. Heck, we may not even make it or could lose next three and be so far out of the points it doesn't matter.
I personally think it's silly to award a ton of points to a 1A school that plays a 1 or 2 win 3A school. In points it's like beating a solid 8-9 win 1A school. Kind defeats the purpose of the points system.
As for the Red team playing at home, the last two years we have traveled in the semi's. Once to GW and once to Galax so I don't think traveling is an issue. Heck, we may not even make it or could lose next three and be so far out of the points it doesn't matter.
I have always thought the semis should be held at a neutral site. No way to know even with power points whom is better when the regions have no common opponents. Suppose a region A and B team end up within 1 power point of each other. Does that really mean the team that has 1 more point over the course of an entire season is better than the other?
Maybe it is too late at night and my brain is fried, but first I get the idea that the highest seeded team will host the semis in all divisions, but then I get the idea that 1-A will be an exception to that new rule, and that Region B will still travel to Region A by a pre-determined decision. So which is it?
Riverheads has advanced to the state semis six times over the years and they have had to travel ALL SIX TIMES. (in chronological order to Surry County, Sussex County, Franklin, Giles, George Wythe, and Galax.) Fortunately we won five of those six and went on to win the state four of those five times, so no real complaints, but it would be nice to finally host a state semi. But then again, with that track record, we might be better off hitting the road!
Riverheads has advanced to the state semis six times over the years and they have had to travel ALL SIX TIMES. (in chronological order to Surry County, Sussex County, Franklin, Giles, George Wythe, and Galax.) Fortunately we won five of those six and went on to win the state four of those five times, so no real complaints, but it would be nice to finally host a state semi. But then again, with that track record, we might be better off hitting the road!
Ok now that this can is open again this year, someone explain their take on why the semi's should be at a nuetral site. Or why aren't the the Regionals held at a neutral site? Where would it end? All playoff games held at some predetermined "mid point"?
Silliness, suit up and play. Either you hand out one or you take one. Field is same size and good teams win regardless of the field they are playing at. What better way to close a team out than on their field. It is an even bigger statement about how much better you are than them.
Silliness, suit up and play. Either you hand out one or you take one. Field is same size and good teams win regardless of the field they are playing at. What better way to close a team out than on their field. It is an even bigger statement about how much better you are than them.
If you read my post again you will see my argument for a neutral site. In region play, power points determine home field. I consider them to be reliable enough to determine whom is better in the region due to the fact there are quite a few common opponents. Outside of common opponents or head to head matchups, there is no way to determine if someone in say Region C is better than someone in Region A, just based on points. So yes, I think the final four teams should have to play at a neutral site. If not then, why not just let the highest point team host the title game
I wouldn't be opposed to the higher point team hosting the title game. Of course the VHSL wouldn't get the total gate so that's not gonna happen. On that note I am surprised they haven't made the nuetral site regional game happen since it would line the pockets a little more.
And by the way, my comment was not directed at you specifically. I like to have dialogue around some of these things just so people engage the conversation. Thanks for defending your point though, passion for this is what keeps us on here having these discussions.
Some schools dont have facilities suitable for regular season games, much less state playoff games.
Not in 1A -- System works for everyone but 1A
1A -- there are 4-8 teams that can play
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