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......of why the previous system was better. Here we have two amazing teams that will battle it out Friday night for a regional title, meaning one of them will go home. Whereas under the old system, they would have likely been in different brackets, meaning that they would have had the chance to knock off everyone else in the East and be the top two teams, and then because of the semi-final cross-bracketing that was used, they would have still each had the chance to advance to Salem.

Now granted Poquoson or Goochland might be good enough to run either one of them off the field and maybe those two teams feel the same way about being stuck in the same region. There could be lots of regions where two incredible teams will be matched against each other too early instead of each one having the chance to go all the way.

I just liked the old 1-16 format better. It had more drama to it and less familiarity with the same old teams.
 
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19GHS87 said:
I like this system better. You get to crown a regional champion. There can only be one state champion anyway.
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Yes, but you dont always get the two best teams playing for that state title. That is the rub.
 
I disagree, I love this format better than the previous. You do realize that Poquoson, Goochland, Lee, Luray, Graham, and Union are all quality teams, as is Glenvar, and Appo the favorite. It's the 3rd round of the playoffs with 16 teams left; therefore, it's not really that early. The first two rounds of the playoffs, ok, I agree, it's a bit early, but when we are talking about round 3, that's getting up there, and at this time in almost ANY state, you are going to have good teams go home.

Let me say this and I'm an East fan and love the Bull Islanders. We better be happy the East and West are not crisscrossing this year, because Appo, Giles, Union, Graham are all likely better than any team in the East this year. I feel confident in Union, Appo, and Graham being better, and Giles and Glenvar are right there on the same level as any team remaining in the East, other than.............Poquoson of course.
 
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Lee or Luray can hang with most of them. Appo is a different monster right now with some of it being reputation, attitude and momentum. I promise Clarke and Central were legit and both got housed at home so don’t underestimate the two L teams from the ‘doah.
 
RedPrideNation_RollPride said:
Lee or Luray can hang with most of them. Appo is a different monster right now with some of it being reputation, attitude and momentum. I promise Clarke and Central were legit and both got housed at home so don’t underestimate the two L teams from the ‘doah.
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I'm not. I know they are quality. That's kind of my point though, all 16 teams left are very good football teams, and I truly think.......truly believe this......that all 15 are very, very, very close, with the exception of Appo who is still a step up. Outside of Appomattox, I truly do not believe that any of the other 15 winning a title would be an upset or shocker. They are very, very close. I do believe this though, the Appomattox versus Graham/Union game will be closer than the state title game. That's not to say the state title game will be a blowout either, I'm just saying that the game with Union or Graham is going to be a game contested well into the fourth quarter, and with the possibility of Appomattox actually losing the football game (not saying they will).
 
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Well until they get to exit 141 and roll into the stadium it is all opinion. I agree with most of what you are saying though. I would argue that Lee and Luray are dark horses in most people’s eyes that havent seen them. Not to say they are wrong since neither have showed this level of play consistently.

I am going to say that I love Lurays smashmouth but Lee is crazy athletic. With all the respect in the world for Jenkins and what the Luray team is capable of, Lee will roll in this one by 2tds or more.

If and I will state again IF Lee plays to their capability they are going to shock some people. Not counting on any team laying down, playing badly or anything like that, straight up they can compete with ANY team in 2A in my humble opinion.
 
longtimerhsfan said:
......of why the previous system was better. Here we have two amazing teams that will battle it out Friday night for a regional title, meaning one of them will go home. Whereas under the old system, they would have likely been in different brackets, meaning that they would have had the chance to knock off everyone else in the East and be the top two teams, and then because of the semi-final cross-bracketing that was used, they would have still each had the chance to advance to Salem.

Now granted Poquoson or Goochland might be good enough to run either one of them off the field and maybe those two teams feel the same way about being stuck in the same region. There could be lots of regions where two incredible teams will be matched against each other too early instead of each one having the chance to go all the way.

I just liked the old 1-16 format better. It had more drama to it and less familiarity with the same old teams.
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Not that it matters, but going by the teams left, this is what the seeds would be.

(1) Goochland, (2) Lee, (3) Luray, (4) Poquoson

(1) Union, (2) Glenvar, (3) Appomattox, (4) Graham

So we would still have the exact same matchups at same places. That is from what is left, the rankings before could have changed them though
 
lucustookis said:
I disagree, I love this format better than the previous. You do realize that Poquoson, Goochland, Lee, Luray, Graham, and Union are all quality teams, as is Glenvar, and Appo the favorite. It's the 3rd round of the playoffs with 16 teams left; therefore, it's not really that early. The first two rounds of the playoffs, ok, I agree, it's a bit early, but when we are talking about round 3, that's getting up there, and at this time in almost ANY state, you are going to have good teams go home.

Let me say this and I'm an East fan and love the Bull Islanders. We better be happy the East and West are not crisscrossing this year, because Appo, Giles, Union, Graham are all likely better than any team in the East this year. I feel confident in Union, Appo, and Graham being better, and Giles and Glenvar are right there on the same level as any team remaining in the East, other than.............Poquoson of course.
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Suppose Poq and Gooch were the two best teams, we will never know because one of them will not be playing next week. This format eliminates a chance for an all east or all west final.
 
I wish VHSL would go to a true state tournament format like Georgia does. They have 8 regions with top 4 teams advancing to playoffs. We only have 4 regions in Va so we could do top 8 teams from each region (basically what it is now). But instead of playing through your region, Georgia cross brackets from round 1. For example, the top seed in Region A would play the lowest seed in region B in round one and vice versa. The same would be done for region c versus region d. The odds of the two top teams in the same region playing each other isn't likely until the state semis at the earliest.

It sounds confusing but check out this link to this year's GHSA playoff bracket.
https://www.ghsa.net/2017-2018-ghsa-class-aa-state-football-championship-bracket

Granted, Georgia does not have anywhere near the travel time as Virginia but those 3 hour plus drives would be a rare occasion and not likely until the later rounds. IMO at that point it would be worth it in order to determine the true best team in the state.
 
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No disrespect, VolNation, but isn't that exactly what we had with East and West, last year?
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Very close. The only difference is that with last year's format you had to play through your region first instead of playing a team from a different region first. You also had rematches from the regular season and rematches against your district opponents in the first round under that format. The one that Georgia does eliminates the possibility of a rematch against a district opponent all the way until the state semis.
 
Both ways have flaws and pros. The real state title game this year in my uneducated opinion will be the semi final between C and D.
 
Twobyfour said:
Suppose Poq and Gooch were the two best teams, we will never know because one of them will not be playing next week. This format eliminates a chance for an all east or all west final.
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If you take A/B as one side and C/D as other side, then the games would be the EXACT same this year, meaning Goochland and Poquoson would still be playing each other (among teams left), I didn't go back all the way. Meaning they still wouldn't both be able to go forward in the past system.

Now after THIS week of games is when they would have crossbracketed
 
Ok guys and gals. Just going off of 2A/2B being together and 2C/2D being together, here is what it would have looked like in the last system.

2A/2B

(1) Clarke County
(2) Goochland
(3) Central
(4) Robert E. Lee
(5) Luray
(6) Poquoson
(7) Greensville
(8) East Rockingham
(9) Nottoway
(10) Amelia
(11) George Mason
(12) Buffalo Gap
(13) King William/Strasburg
(14) King William/Strasburg
(15) Stuarts Draft
(16) Bruton

2C/2D

(1) Union
(2) Glenvar
(3) Appomattox
(4) Graham
(5) Ridgeview
(6) Giles
(7) Virginia
(8) Marion
(9) Floyd
(10) Gretna
(11) Fort Chiswell
(12) Grayson County
(13) John Battle
(14) Martinsville
(15) Dan River
(16) Richlands

Now, while I like the previous system more, and it appears it wouldn't have changed much in the 2C/2D, it certainly would have in A/B. Assuming the top seeds won 1st round games, then ATLEAST 1 team that shouldn't be in would be. Clarke/East Rockingham would be in this week, while Lee/Luray one would be out. Luray beat both very handily. Had Poquoson pulled off the upset of Central, they would have been playing Goochland
 
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Thanks Gunz. I guess your research shows that Lee and Luray would have met last week, so maybe I should be careful what I wish for! I am sure you were not a happy camper yourself to see that your Cougars would have made it into the field under the old system.
 
lucustookis said:
I'm not. I know they are quality. That's kind of my point though, all 16 teams left are very good football teams, and I truly think.......truly believe this......that all 15 are very, very, very close, with the exception of Appo who is still a step up. Outside of Appomattox, I truly do not believe that any of the other 15 winning a title would be an upset or shocker. They are very, very close. I do believe this though, the Appomattox versus Graham/Union game will be closer than the state title game. That's not to say the state title game will be a blowout either, I'm just saying that the game with Union or Graham is going to be a game contested well into the fourth quarter, and with the possibility of Appomattox actually losing the football game (not saying they will).
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Agree Lucas, all teams left are quality teams with Appo a step up. But they can be beat unlike the last 2 years. Those 2 teams were never gonna lose because of the defense they played. This years Appo is very talented with 2 D1 commits and multiple others getting looks from smaller schools. I think Graham/union winner has best shot at defeating them but their offense is still very good
 
longtimerhsfan said:
Thanks Gunz. I guess your research shows that Lee and Luray would have met last week, so maybe I should be careful what I wish for! I am sure you were not a happy camper yourself to see that your Cougars would have made it into the field under the old system.
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I had actually looked into this at the end of season. While they were probably the best 5-5 team in state and not make it or close to it, you have to take care of business to get in. Yes would have loved to see them in, I think they could have made at least a little noise.

I still like old system better, but with the way it worked out this year, I think the top 8 made it. Now not seeing besides some film any besides the 2 B teams, I still like the cross bracketing. Any of the final 4 could win it, and just where you live shouldn't decide the championship
 
Gunz41 said:
If you take A/B as one side and C/D as other side, then the games would be the EXACT same this year, meaning Goochland and Poquoson would still be playing each other (among teams left), I didn't go back all the way. Meaning they still wouldn't both be able to go forward in the past system.

Now after THIS week of games is when they would have crossbracketed
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It wasnt A and B, it was east, west, for 1A and 2A
 
Gunz41 said:
Ok guys and gals. Just going off of 2A/2B being together and 2C/2D being together, here is what it would have looked like in the last system.
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Travel in the East would have been crazy. Bruton to Clarke, King William to Woodstock or Staunton, George Mason to Poquoson. It would be nice to have the best two teams in the championship, but no matter the system, someone will always be butthurt.

Take for example, The Red Team. The monkey on their back is they never won a title at 2A. Now, they face daily ridicule for playing down. But when they were 2A, they fielded some damn fine teams, probably better than their 1A championship teams. They very well could make the case they should have played in the championships against Gretna and Giles, as could every team that has ever lost to the eventual champion in an early round.

In all the systems that have been used or proposed, the best team in the state wins the championship. What we are debating is who is 2nd place. My question is, does it matter?
 
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Do you have Appo that far ahead of everyone. All due respect the them because they are very very good. Anyone can get beat, and it happens to the teams we think should win at every level. I couldn’t name two players on the Appo team but I have a feeling that there are 4 teams left with almost enough to beat them. Will they? I would be guessing like everyone else but until they raise the trophy in Salem, it is a possibility. It’s slim by anyone’s estimation but we shall see.

And I think they like being the big dog and everyone chasing them. Some teams can front run and some can’t. They have shown they can take everyone’s best shot and not only win but dominate. Much respect to them.
 
RedPrideNation_RollPride said:
Do you have Appo that far ahead of everyone. All due respect the them because they are very very good. Anyone can get beat, and it happens to the teams we think should win at every level. I couldn’t name two players on the Appo team but I have a feeling that there are 4 teams left with almost enough to beat them. Will they? I would be guessing like everyone else but until they raise the trophy in Salem, it is a possibility. It’s slim by anyone’s estimation but we shall see.

And I think they like being the big dog and everyone chasing them. Some teams can front run and some can’t. They have shown they can take everyone’s best shot and not only win but dominate. Much respect to them.
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Apparently from a post on 4a from someone in the know and attender of vhsl meetings, it's not a set in stone that Appomattox or ANYONE or Riverheads or ANYONE to play at Salem. Apparently they will wait until the final is set to place the teams in best geographic location for them??
 
That actually makes sense but how would that be determined? The reason I ask is say Union and Poq win in 2A and get to face off in the title game. What site would host that the VHSL can control? Just curious. Although it does bring up some interesting scenarios for sure. I for one am liking this whole fly by the seat of your pants approach to the playoffs this year. We didn’t even know the points were the factor to host between regions until 3 or 4 games to go in the season.
 
RedPrideNation_RollPride said:
That actually makes sense but how would that be determined? The reason I ask is say Union and Poq win in 2A and get to face off in the title game. What site would host that the VHSL can control? Just curious. Although it does bring up some interesting scenarios for sure. I for one am liking this whole fly by the seat of your pants approach to the playoffs this year. We didn’t even know the points were the factor to host between regions until 3 or 4 games to go in the season.
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I could be wrong, but I think they still have contracts with Salem, Hampton, and William and Mary so I dunno
 
I could see a change like that for the future. In fact it would remind me somewhat of the supersites for basketball. But I sure would be surprised if they made that drastic a change to be effective this year on such short notice.
 
longtimerhsfan said:
I could see a change like that for the future. In fact it would remind me somewhat of the supersites for basketball. But I sure would be surprised if they made that drastic a change to be effective this year on such short notice.
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Apparently it isn't short notice though. Just going off what was posted
 
longtimerhsfan said:
Can you or someone direct us to what you have seen on this subject? Thanks.
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Not what I said, but came from @DEVILSLB99, which at least a few years ago was involved with Lake Taylor program, a coach I believe. This wasn't all of the conversation, just that part. This other part seemed to be about 4a. It could have meant starting next year????

Couple of big changes happened that I believe went relatively unnoticed and I've been trying to tell people and the York coach was one on Saturday that didn't know this. When we had our membership meeting back in October the change about highest rating not region hosting was first brought up. So no predetermined sites for state semifinals. Also there is no more "cross-bracketing" because that's what he was thinking. But to me the biggest change is the fact there there are no more "pre-determined" state final sites. Teamwill not know where they are playing for thefinals until they know who all is playing in the finals. The VHSL pointed out the 3A final from last year and how they could have moved either the 1A or 2A game to W&M and played the 3A game in Salem and made a killing. Each of the three sites are guaranteed two games they just don't know which two until the matchups are set
 
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Not what I said, but came from @DEVILSLB99, which at least a few years ago was involved with Lake Taylor program, a coach I believe. This wasn't all of the conversation, just that part. This other part seemed to be about 4a. It could have meant starting next year????

Couple of big changes happened that I believe went relatively unnoticed and I've been trying to tell people and the York coach was one on Saturday that didn't know this. When we had our membership meeting back in October the change about highest rating not region hosting was first brought up. So no predetermined sites for state semifinals. Also there is no more "cross-bracketing" because that's what he was thinking. But to me the biggest change is the fact there there are no more "pre-determined" state final sites. Teamwill not know where they are playing for thefinals until they know who all is playing in the finals. The VHSL pointed out the 3A final from last year and how they could have moved either the 1A or 2A game to W&M and played the 3A game in Salem and made a killing. Each of the three sites are guaranteed two games they just don't know which two until the matchups are set
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This is starting this year. If you look at the VHSL website it doesn't say 1A/2A in Salem and so forth. If just states game times now. Game sites will be determined after next weeks games. I left LT in Feb to become an AD.
 
longtimerhsfan said:
......of why the previous system was better. Here we have two amazing teams that will battle it out Friday night for a regional title, meaning one of them will go home. Whereas under the old system, they would have likely been in different brackets, meaning that they would have had the chance to knock off everyone else in the East and be the top two teams, and then because of the semi-final cross-bracketing that was used, they would have still each had the chance to advance to Salem.

Now granted Poquoson or Goochland might be good enough to run either one of them off the field and maybe those two teams feel the same way about being stuck in the same region. There could be lots of regions where two incredible teams will be matched against each other too early instead of each one having the chance to go all the way.

I just liked the old 1-16 format better. It had more drama to it and less familiarity with the same old teams.
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4A Region B had Dinwiddie, Louisa, Monacan and Eastern View with combined records of 44-0.
 
Thanks for the input on this and it will be interesting to see how it pans out. The only flaw I see in the plan is that if Salem remains one of the three sites, the Class 1 game would seem to always most logically fit there, because there is always guaranteed to be a team from south of the Roanoke area (i.e. either the Region C or Region D champ) and it would not make any sense to send them elsewhere.

But say for example Poquoson and Appo are the two teams that advance in Class Two. Having them play in Lynchburg or Charlottesville would make a little more overall sense. Poquoson to Salem would be a haul.
 
longtimerhsfan said:
Thanks for the input on this and it will be interesting to see how it pans out. The only flaw I see in the plan is that if Salem remains one of the three sites, the Class 1 game would seem to always most logically fit there, because there is always guaranteed to be a team from south of the Roanoke area (i.e. either the Region C or Region D champ) and it would not make any sense to send them elsewhere.

But say for example Poquoson and Appo are the two teams that advance in Class Two. Having them play in Lynchburg or Charlottesville would make a little more overall sense. Poquoson to Salem would be a haul.
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That makes sense, but doesn't this have to be planned well in advance? Does VHSL have contingency agreements with the venues to offer this flexibility? I can't imagine Scott Stadium (or any other facility with sufficient seating capacity) being willing to accomodate the VHSL with only a week's notice.
 
At least under the new system, you have less teams travelling 3 hours for a first round game. I liked the 5 minute trip this year a lot better.
 
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