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Northumberland at Northampton

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Northumberland up 14-0 at the half.

Under a delay as well.

Gonna be a late long trip home!
 
Game was delayed right at the start of the 2nd half. Lotta heat lightning from a storm way up off Chincoteague, no thunder, but rules are rules. I think it was around 10:15 when they finally suspended he game until further notice. No idea when they'll reschedule.
 
I think VHSL needs to revise their lightning rule to prevent games being prematurely called or postponed to a later date due to the mere visual of lightning with no thought or regard to how far away the lightning is. The Military uses lightning within 12 miles as the standard to suspend military training. Our past 3 Athletic Trainers have used 10 miles as the standard to suspend practice. Both are reasonable. Suspending or calling a game simply because you can see flashes over 40 miles away is rediculous and is not tied to safety. The WP v Rapp Co game was suspended with 10:31 left in the 2nd QT and called 30 minutes later when 4 different lightning apps had the closest lightning strikes 40-45 miles away. The lightning strikes never got any closer; they storm was going away from us.
 
The nfhs has guidelines that will allow you to play should everyone agree for distant lightning. But seems like the past two nights in the 757 a lot of games got suspended for the same reasons. I am all for safety of athletes and fans but it'd be nice if nfhs, vhsl, and the officials would all be on the same page
 
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I think VHSL needs to revise their lightning rule to prevent games being prematurely called or postponed to a later date due to the mere visual of lightning with no thought or regard to how far away the lightning is. The Military uses lightning within 12 miles as the standard to suspend military training. Our past 3 Athletic Trainers have used 10 miles as the standard to suspend practice. Both are reasonable. Suspending or calling a game simply because you can see flashes over 40 miles away is rediculous and is not tied to safety. The WP v Rapp Co game was suspended with 10:31 left in the 2nd QT and called 30 minutes later when 4 different lightning apps had the closest lightning strikes 40-45 miles away. The lightning strikes never got any closer; they storm was going away from us.

The WP Rapp County game is final?
I know that's some distance between the two schools and the score was already lopsided but only 13 and a half minutes of football...
 
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I think VHSL needs to revise their lightning rule to prevent games being prematurely called or postponed to a later date due to the mere visual of lightning with no thought or regard to how far away the lightning is. The Military uses lightning within 12 miles as the standard to suspend military training. Our past 3 Athletic Trainers have used 10 miles as the standard to suspend practice. Both are reasonable. Suspending or calling a game simply because you can see flashes over 40 miles away is rediculous and is not tied to safety. The WP v Rapp Co game was suspended with 10:31 left in the 2nd QT and called 30 minutes later when 4 different lightning apps had the closest lightning strikes 40-45 miles away. The lightning strikes never got any closer; they storm was going away from us.

Agree we need some common sense rules. A lot of us old timers were talking about "back in the day" it was thunder AND lightning. Thunder means imminent lightning. We were at Norfolk Academy for a track meet and they had a doo-dad on their roof that sounds an alarm when lightning is legit close. So we could see flashes, and even hear some distant rumbles, but the meet continued until the alarm sounded.

On the other hand, can't really blame the admins for being cautious. Student safety and liability are the rules of the day. Just feel bad for the Northumberland team that has to make that trip again. A near ten hour round trip on the cheese wagon is no fun. Been there, done that, glad to travel in my own vehicle these days.
 
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The WP Rapp County game is final?
I know that's some distance between the two schools and the score was already lopsided but only 13 and a half minutes of football...
They ended up just forfeiting which was in the best interest for them, there was no reason to drive all the way back just for a chance of getting more kids injured
 
I would still make that drive over having to make another 3 plus hour drive to Northampton on a holiday. Plus the 32 dollars in tolls to watch one half of football.
 
The WP Rapp County game is final?
I know that's some distance between the two schools and the score was already lopsided but only 13 and a half minutes of football...
Yes. For it to be final, both coaches had to mutually agree to make it final instead of rescheduling to play the game later. WP scored on every possession, 22-0 at the end of 1st QTR and scored again the first minute of the 2nd half. So I believe WP didn't want to risk any injuries for a game that was in hand and I don't believe Rapp Co wanted the score to be any worse. But that's me surmising.
 
Good call to stop the game, no need to jeopardize the safety of the kids and fans.
Lightning cannot jump 42 miles aw
Good call to stop the game, no need to jeopardize the safety of the kids and fans.
Lightning cannot jump 42 miles away. It was not a good call and had zero to do with player safety. The "if we can see it" method needs to be changed.
 
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Yes. For it to be final, both coaches had to mutually agree to make it final instead of rescheduling to play the game later. WP scored on every possession, 22-0 at the end of 1st QTR and scored again the first minute of the 2nd half. So I believe WP didn't want to risk any injuries for a game that was in hand and I don't believe Rapp Co wanted the score to be any worse. But that's me surmising.
Fans were told last night it was final and "in the books". I have not heard Rapp Co forfeited except on here from VHSL_Footballer. So I defer until I see what VHSL reports.
 
Lightning cannot jump 42 miles aw

Lightning cannot jump 42 miles away. It was not a good call and had zero to do with player safety. The "if we can see it" method needs to be changed.

What do you think the reason was then? You said zero to do with player safety. Just curious, as I see both sides of the argument.

Here in the Valley, SD vs Fort Defiance didnt have a second of delay, even seeing heat lightning every few minutes. 10 miles down the road, Rockbridge and Lee game had a delay. Came back for something like 5 plays and another delay, followed by postponement
 
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Like someone noted last night, when the sky is pitch black and that heat lightning flashes it looks worse than what it actually is. Lots of heat lightning but not one drop of rain where I was.
 
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What do you think the reason was then? You said zero to do with player safety. Just curious, as I see both sides of the argument.

When the lightning is 42 miles away an all known data says lightning cannot jump more than 12 miles away, then lightning 42 miles away is not a safety issue. You have a plethora of team, administration and the official in the box who can monitor a number of lightning apps and can suspend play when the lightning is 12 miles out. Heck, I’d even settle for 15 miles out. Anything is better than suspending or calling a game after just 1 quarter just because you can see flashes in the night sky 50+ miles away.

Here in the Valley, SD vs Fort Defiance didnt have a second of delay, even seeing heat lightning every few minutes. 10 miles down the road, Rockbridge and Lee game had a delay. Came back for something like 5 plays and another delay, followed by postponement
 

I'm in no way saying any game should have been called. I was asking why you think it was called since you said it had zero to do with players safety.

I think that around here, it was player and fan safety, whether warranted or not
 
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I'm in no way saying any game should have been called. I was asking why you think it was called since you said it had zero to do with players safety.

I think that around here, it was player and fan safety, whether warranted or not
Sorry, my response to your question seemed to have gotten lost. Calling the game in the case of WP vs Rapp Co was not a safety issue for anyone at the game because the lightning was 42 miles away. Lightning can only jump 10-12 miles away. This is why I suggested on this thread that VHSL relook the rule and apply some current technology to their rule. I hope this clarifies my comment on safety.
 
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Sorry, my response to your question seemed to have gotten lost. Calling the game in the case of WP vs Rapp Co was not a safety issue for anyone at the game because the lightning was 42 miles away. Lightning can only jump 10-12 miles away. This is why I suggested on this thread that VHSL relook the rule and apply some current technology to their rule. I hope this clarifies my comment on safety.

I get your statement, maybe it is just the wording or the way I am reading it. Saying had zero to do with player safety, are you saying that it WAS stopped for player safety, but there was no need and shouldn't have been, or zero to do with player safety, it was a different reason?
 
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I get your statement, maybe it is just the wording or the way I am reading it. Saying had zero to do with player safety, are you saying that it WAS stopped for player safety, but there was no need and shouldn't have been, or zero to do with player safety, it was a different reason?
I see the misunderstanding based on how I worded it. The former, not the later. Officials called it because of how the current rule reads (see a lightning strike or hear thunder). If VHSL required a lightning app or detector with 12 miles radius of the venue, then the game would have not been called and the game would have been played all 4 quarters without the lightning ever coming closer than 40 miles. The game was not called for any other reason than officials seeing lightning, albeit 42 miles away.
 
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I see the misunderstanding based on how I worded it. The former, not the later. Officials called it because of how the current rule reads (see a lightning strike or hear thunder). If VHSL required a lightning app or detector with 12 miles radius of the venue, then the game would have not been called and the game would have been played all 4 quarters without the lightning ever coming closer than 40 miles. The game was not called for any other reason than officials seeing lightning, albeit 42 miles away.
They should have replay the game today like Franklin did they traveled a Lil over 2 hrs again today I don't know if this will hurt them as far as the playoffs but I would have finished this game
 
The officials called the game as final. The game counts as a played game. 29-0 WP.
 
To put this thread back on topic this game will resume Monday, Sept. 17, at 5 pm.

yes, glad that this issue is settled. It works out well for both clubs.

NHS will play at Mathews on Sept. 14, travel all the way to an improved Northampton for a half of play on Sept. 17, then return for a home game on Sept. 21 v Middlesex. So that's three games in a week but should be a good experience a week or two before Neck play.
 
There is a rumor that Northumberland has a big time QB transfer now ? Can anyone validate this of being true ?
 
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