Not trying to throw shade
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It's all hypothetical anyway..so would you be open to combining certain private schools with the public schools? I would be. Drop the enrollment cut off to 400 for 1A and then let in schools like IWA, N-SA, Portsmouth Christian, Fredericksburg Christian, Roanoke Catholic, etc, etc... not saying those schools would ever go for such a thing but it is an intriguing thought, to me at least lol.
Regardless of what the cutoff numbers are we will always have people complaining!!!!if they change the numbers in 1A it will affect the other classifications and everyone will be saying it's unfair for a school of 380 to 400 to be playing schools of 700. Be hard to find a happy medium.
D2 could be split in half: 2A and 2AA. Both would be loaded.
A 7th class?? There's too many as it is. Lower the C1 cutoff to 450.
It's about # of kids you cant tell me that 250 vs 474 is any more unfair than 476 vs 725
Leave it the way it is
Leave it the way it is
Sure it is. 474 is 90% larger than 250. Nearly twice as large. 725 is only 52% larger than 476.
The freaking weather keeps interfering with that..
But no seriously, no whining here, I just enjoy hypothetical situations like this one. Just as I like to imagine Mardela, Crisfield, Pocomoke and North Dorchester picking up programs over in Maryland. I know it will never happen but it's fun to talk about and nothing more.
Just like it would be cool to build a bridge tunnel from Southern MD over to Crisfield so that I can avoid that freaking bridge up in Annapolis (big shoutout to the 3 hour hold up that you caused me the other day you stupid, dilapidated, patchwork bridge!!!). Fun to imagine but will never happen.
I know most private schools are happy where they are at, so going to 1A wouldn't work for some private schools. I graduated from IWA, and I know they wouldn't get out of the private school league. Small schools are having a hard time getting more than the VHSL suggested a minimum of 25 for a football team. I wonder if 8 man football would ever be in the future for the smaller schools.
I think 8 man football will become a reality within the next couple of years. Eventually, there will be no class 1 11-man football. Current class 1 teams that want to continue playing 11 man will have to join the C2 ranks, maybe for football only. Rather than have to compete with the likes of large C2 schools Appo and Poquoson, most will simply opt to play 8 man. It's a shame, but I think that's where we're headed.
The cutoff numbers arent for a set number of kids, it is to try and get each class with around the same number of teams with some consideration for location.
Everyone seems to think it is watered down with 6, so the idea of 2 2a would do even more. And then you would have even less number of teams in 1a to make the regions smaller which then would cause it to be even more top heavy with teams to then cause issues with it being unfair
Everyone seems to think it is watered down with 6, so the idea of 2 2a would do even more. And then you would have even less number of teams in 1a to make the regions smaller which then would cause it to be even more top heavy with teams to then cause issues with it being unfair
I think I can speak for Woodlayer, Trutiger and myself in saying that this is something we'd like to avoid. The gentleman from IWA mentioned that most of the private schools are having trouble getting 25 players out and the same can be said for the majority of schools that are at an enrollment lower than 400. Give the kids a fighting chance at a goal and lets see what happens! Maybe it works, maybe it fails. But we already see where the current system is going to take us IMO.
And yes, 7 classes is a lot. But are you willing to deal with a 1A-6A class along with an 8-man class in the years ahead? I'd rather see 7 11-man classes myself. I've posted my plan for cutoff numbers and whatnot on here many times and at the root it would work fine with 4 classes actually, though it would involve a 32 team playoff for 2A-4A while 1A would have a 16 team playoff....which wouldnt fly with the powers that be. Thats the only reason I'd split the divisions. And as you can see, there was already one guy in this thread bemoaning a team with 400+ playing a school with 700-ish kids. So splitting would work better.
0-400: 1A
401-750: 2A/2AA
751-1450: 3A/3AA
1451- : 4A/4AA
Nowhere in those numbers would a school have to play another school over half their size.
Nobody was bemoaning as you put it, simply stating that no matter what the numbers are their will be complaining!!! I just threw some numbers out as a reference to say people would call it unfair. I support a team in Galax that routinely plays larger schools, I personally don't have a problem with the current system unless it causes teams to have to start playing 8 man.
If you think I was referencing you in my comment I was not.
And I do agree with you that there will always be complaining. The near future will tell if not changing things up will cause the death of small school 11-man football.
What I see, and maybe I am wrong, but I am seeing it as throwing the baby out with the bath water. To just assume that since numbers are lower at some places and a couple teams cancelled their season that it is going to happen with all programs isnt telling the whole picture.
I think that some of the teams may look into it, but the majority will keep on the way they are
I know you are saying nowhere would a school have to play a school twice there size but you have some schools well over 3000 and that is more that twice the size of 1451.
That's correct if D4 wasnt split in half. But 2A, 3A and 4A would be split in half in my model. So there would be 7 divisions total. 1A, 2A, 2AA, 3A, 3AA, 4A and 4AA/5A. I think there would be two or maybe 3 schools that would be considered 5A in my numbers breakdown.
I failed to mention, there would only be a 16 team playoff for each one of these divisions. The heck with this 32 team stuff.
I gotcha, makes sense. Also seed them 1-16 for playoff purpose statewide is the best way to do it.
I would like that, but I do think seeding statewide would cause an uproar due to travel time. I could see a scenario where the top 16 in the state make the playoffs, but then based on distance, whether it go from east to west or from west to east, take 8 teams and put them in one bracket and take the other 8 and put them in the other bracket to cut down on travel time.
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