Quick breakdown Giles @ Glenvar/PV vs Giles long time ago

[BigHokieFan]

Glenvar has probably the best Defensive line I can recall seeing except Powell Valley ( but that PV team was best all around I've ever witnessed). I think it will be a great match up once again and you gotta wonder how the single wing will attack. Giles will have their hands full for sure.

Giles front is pretty darn good as well but as of late Glenvar has had success through the air and are very dangerous. I like the matchup this presents. Giles has a very athletic secondary with both Beidleman's. Ryan to me is the better of the 2 and could change the possession and the field with a small mistake by the offense.

Giles hasn't had too many games held under 40 points and Glenvars defense is legit as they come. So for me it's going to come down to whose strengths work best. Will Giles be able to run the ball or will Glenvar be able shred the Giles secondary. I don't look for a high scoring game and whoever moves on will be beat up physically. This is going to be one great matchup in the playoffs.

 

[BigWinners]

Which PV team are you talking about 97-98?

 

[BigHokieFan]

Julius Jones and company beat Giles 40-0 I believe it was 98

 

[BigWinners]

That 98 team was absolutely loaded at every position, andhad two kids that played D1 ball. One was a DE, Josh Warren, who played at Wake Forest, and future NFL 2nd round pick Julius Jones, who played RB/DB.

We beat Giles pretty handily my senior year, set the record for the longest TD pass in playoff history on a slant play when we were just trying to run out the clock. Just trying to convert a 4th down to run out the clock, but our WR caught the ball and took off and no one could catch him.


We always practiced for Giles by not using a ball. The scout team offense would run plays without a ball, to the first team defense would focus on their assignments instead of chasing the ball. Do other teams do that?

 

[ghs89er]

That 98 team was absolutely loaded at every position, andhad two kids that played D1 ball. One was a DE, Josh Warren, who played at Wake Forest, and future NFL 2nd round pick Julius Jones, who played RB/DB.

We beat Giles pretty handily my senior year, set the record for the longest TD pass in playoff history on a slant play when we were just trying to run out the clock. Just trying to convert a 4th down to run out the clock, but our WR caught the ball and took off and no one could catch him.


We always practiced for Giles by not using a ball. The scout team offense would run plays without a ball, to the first team defense would focus on their assignments instead of chasing the ball. Do other teams do that?

He's talking about Jones senior year...40-0...best line I have witnessed in high school..that passes play ur talking about it thought was on a fake punt late in the game with the game in hand...Powell Valley is 3-2 against giles.....2 tight games....split....3 blow outs..2 for pv...one for gies

 

[singlewinger92]

That was also the best high school football team I have ever watched play. My brother was a sophomore tailback for Giles that game and I thought he got killed four or five times. I was scared to death for him. I'm not sure that team could not have won 3a, 4a, 5a, state championships that year.

 

[BigWinners]

He's talking about Jones senior year...40-0...best line I have witnessed in high school..that passes play ur talking about it thought was on a fake punt late in the game with the game in hand...Powell Valley is 3-2 against giles.....2 tight games....split....3 blow outs..2 for pv...one for gies

Nah it wasn't a fake punt, it was just a regular pass play. I was there.

 

[ghs89er]

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Nah it wasn't a fake punt, it was just a regular pass play. I was there.

Yout might be right...you lined up for international around the 15 yrds line and a pretty good lead...called timeout...then came back out and threw the pass...made some folks think you were running it up...coaches son was qb...made his stats.look good...I remember the next time you were at giles we were up by around 40 early in he 3rd and some folks got made because coach put subs in...wanted him to run it up..rags wouldn't do it

 

[BigWinners]

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Yout might be right...you lined up for international around the 15 yrds line and a pretty good lead...called timeout...then came back out and threw the pass...made some folks think you were running it up...coaches son was qb...made his stats.look good...I remember the next time you were at giles we were up by around 40 early in he 3rd and some folks got made because coach put subs in...wanted him to run it up..rags wouldn't do it

Thats not how it went down. It was 4th down in terrible weather, and instead of risking a punt, Robbins called a six yard slant simply to pick up the 1st down and end the game. The ballbarely traveled five yards in the air, and the WR was able to break two tackles and score. IT was not a deep pass and it was not an attempt to run up the score. Robbins was motioning on the sidelinef or the WRto falldown. Not an attempt to run it up at all.

 

[ghs89er]

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Thats not how it went down. It was 4th down in terrible weather, and instead of risking a punt, Robbins called a six yard slant simply to pick up the 1st down and end the game. The ballbarely traveled five yards in the air, and the WR was able to break two tackles and score. IT was not a deep pass and it was not an attempt to run up the score. Robbins was motioning on the sidelinef or the WRto falldown. Not an attempt to run it up at all.

Ok...almost positive you lined up first to punt though...you guys had the better team...you see in 95 we played in Bullitt park...tight game...scored in the first...missed pat...u guys scored in the 2nd...made pat...scored stayed 7 to 6 until 5 minutes left in the game and we went for it on 4th and 2 from our 38....hole was huge...but the back lost his footing...pv ball...scored and only 3 minutes left and it was 14 to 6...Giles went into panic mode...Thomas Jones interception...few plays later #44 your fullback scored again...21 to 6...well giles makes it to the 20 of pv and runs out of gas...pv ball...about one minute 10 seconds left...everyone including myself thought 3 knees and it's done...but Thomas Jones didn't have 100 yrds...so a toss sweep down the left and Thomas goes for 80 yrds...kinda a prickly move by Phil Robbins...so you can see how it looked to the Spartan faithful when you threw the ball with the game in hand...but I believe you....team in 98 was still better...just my opinion...when they took their helmets off I swear they had duck dynasty beards...averaged 270 on the line...

 

[BigWinners]

We may have lined up to punt first, but Phil decided to go for it just to end the game then, but he did not call a deep bomb to run up the score, it was a six yard slant just to get the first and run the clock out. He wasn't trying to run it up n 2004.

 

[Mannschild]

That 98 team was absolutely loaded at every position, andhad two kids that played D1 ball. One was a DE, Josh Warren, who played at Wake Forest, and future NFL 2nd round pick Julius Jones, who played RB/DB.

We beat Giles pretty handily my senior year, set the record for the longest TD pass in playoff history on a slant play when we were just trying to run out the clock. Just trying to convert a 4th down to run out the clock, but our WR caught the ball and took off and no one could catch him.


We always practiced for Giles by not using a ball. The scout team offense would run plays without a ball, to the first team defense would focus on their assignments instead of chasing the ball. Do other teams do that?

Big Winners, this is exactly what Glenvar does.

 

[singlewinger92]

See how that works out Friday

 

[ghs89er]

Big Winners, this is exactly what Glenvar does.

That 98 teams line was the best high school line I have ever seen...trust me son...no glenvar team wanted to line up across from them...no team did...they my have thought they did.. the reality smacked em n the mouth

 

[Mannschild]

That 98 teams line was the best high school line I have ever seen...trust me son...no glenvar team wanted to line up across from them...no team did...they my have thought they did.. the reality smacked em n the mouth

I was referring to Glenvar practing without a ball.

 

[OneWingin]

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Thats not how it went down. It was 4th down in terrible weather, and instead of risking a punt, Robbins called a six yard slant simply to pick up the 1st down and end the game. The ballbarely traveled five yards in the air, and the WR was able to break two tackles and score. IT was not a deep pass and it was not an attempt to run up the score. Robbins was motioning on the sidelinef or the WRto falldown. Not an attempt to run it up at all.

Wasn't any weather that day, if you were referring to the 98 game........it was sunny and in the 60's. It was a day game on a saturday and unseasonably warm and nice. PV definitely had the better team and it sure did look like they were trying to run it up from where I stood on the field. Left a bad taste in the mouths of alot of people that day. Just glad Rags had the class not to do the same the next time they played.

 

[BigWinners]

Wasn't any weather that day, if you were referring to the 98 game........it was sunny and in the 60's. It was a day game on a saturday and unseasonably warm and nice. PV definitely had the better team and it sure did look like they were trying to run it up from where I stood on the field. Left a bad taste in the mouths of alot of people that day. Just glad Rags had the class not to do the same the next time they played.

i was referring to the 04 game.

 

[BigWinners]

Wasn't any weather that day, if you were referring to the 98 game........it was sunny and in the 60's. It was a day game on a saturday and unseasonably warm and nice. PV definitely had the better team and it sure did look like they were trying to run it up from where I stood on the field. Left a bad taste in the mouths of alot of people that day. Just glad Rags had the class not to do the same the next time they played.

And beating PV 41-6 isnt running it up in 07?

 

[BigWinners]

PV won 41-6 in O4, Giles won 41-6 in 07. Whats the difference?

 

[ghs89er]

PV won 41-6 in O4, Giles won 41-6 in 07. Whats the difference?

Our starters went out in the early 3rd quarter. ...pv throwing passes with the game in hand with the coaches son as starting qb...see the difference

 

[BigWinners]

Our starters went out in the early 3rd quarter. ...pv throwing passes with the game in hand with the coaches son as starting qb...see the difference

That is taking it complletely out of context. He called a six yard slant to pick up the first and run out the clock. FWIW, the only starter in the game was the QB, because we had no backup QB on the roster. Ive explained this numerous times, PV was NOT trying to score, thy were simply trying to run the clock out. And the score was 34-0 when he threw the six yard slant, not 60. And its funny, when PV pulls its starters except for one and wins big, its a travesty, but when Giles scores 49 points its just fine.

 

[BigWinners]

And Giles NEVER runs the score up, what was the score of the Grayson game in 04? Giles scored 60+ points.

 

[singlewinger92]

Who cares, why u guys still talking about what happened 12 years ago lol

 

[BigWinners]

And another reason PV did not punt. They did not wnat to risk a safety. The were on the six yard line. The play was designed to pick up the first down and end the game, not to score. I was on the sidelines, I know what happened, Phil was motioning him to fall down.

 

[ghs89er]

And another reason PV did not punt. They did not wnat to risk a safety. The were on the six yard line. The play was designed to pick up the first down and end the game, not to score. I was on the sidelines, I know what happened, Phil was motioning him to fall down.

You can believe what you want...ok...6 yrds slant with 1 minute to go...no 2nd string qb...come on.man...was the qb the coaches son....looked good on the stats huh...doesn't matter...you had the better team....but PLENTY of schools could tell you how old Phil ran the score up on many schools...and as for Grayson...this is guaranteed...if giles was up by 40 in the 3rd...our end and 3rd string scored the rest...and we definitely didn't throw with a minute to go...ever...with a large lead...watched our 3rd string take knees with 3 minutes left before...on the 5 yrds line...

 

[BigWinners]

You can believe what you want...ok...6 yrds slant with 1 minute to go...no 2nd string qb...come on.man...was the qb the coaches son....looked good on the stats huh...doesn't matter...you had the better team....but PLENTY of schools could tell you how old Phil ran the score up on many schools...and as for Grayson...this is guaranteed...if giles was up by 40 in the 3rd...our end and 3rd string scored the rest...and we definitely didn't throw with a minute to go...ever...with a large lead...watched our 3rd string take knees with 3 minutes left before...on the 5 yrds line...

You can believe whatever you want, youd be wrong because that is the absolute truth. You think PV couldnt have scored 80 on some of those bad Pound teams in the 90s? Phil would score points, but he pulled his starters in those games at half time

And I already told you there was no backup QB available in that game, you keep ignoring facts so you can act like Robbins is the devil. Go rewatch the film, it was not a fly route to try and score, it was a simple slant to get the first and end the game. That is the truth.

Oh and btw, do you honestly believe Robbins played his starters all throughout blowout games? There wre numerous games that the second and third string played and managed to score. But that does not fit your narrative that Phil is evil.

 

[ghs89er]

You can believe whatever you want, youd be wrong because that is the absolute truth. You think PV couldnt have scored 80 on some of those bad Pound teams in the 90s? Phil would score points, but he pulled his starters in those games at half time

And I already told you there was no backup QB available in that game, you keep ignoring facts so you can act like Robbins is the devil. Go rewatch the film, it was not a fly route to try and score, it was a simple slant to get the first and end the game. That is the truth.

Oh and btw, do you honestly believe Robbins played his starters all throughout blowout games? There wre numerous games that the second and third string played and managed to score. But that does not fit your narrative that Phil is evil.

I don't think he never pulled the starters...but he liked to rub it in on teams he knew he would face again..
I'm just spouting what lots of people have said...just like 95...why do you run Jones with a 21 to 6 lead with just over a minute to go and no time outs for the other team....what if Jones took a cheap shot and never played at UVA...never goes pro...all to pad some stats...3 knees and game was over...and in the other game...so what if you give up a safety...1 minute left...34 to 2...and i find it very hard to believe nobody else but Phils son could have gotten behind center with a minute to go...even if just for the experience...not to mention you just don't need to throw the ball with a 34 to 0 lead and a minute to play...longest pass in PV playoff history on that play...boy I'd be proud..

 

[stormwatcher]

Give it up, dude. Robbins didn't owe your team anything. I've never asked quarter from anyone, and I have a little resentment toward anyone that does. If anything, be grateful that he provided motivation for the Giles teams that followed. Let it go.....

 

[ghs89er]

Yo

Give it up, dude. Robbins didn't owe your team anything. I've never asked quarter from anyone, and I have a little resentment toward anyone that does. If anything, be grateful that he provided motivation for the Giles teams that followed. Let it go.....

you're both missing the point..wth you mean quarter...it's called respect..or better yet class....guess I see it a little different...I'd agree with both of you...but the we'd all be wrong

 

[BigWinners]

I am done explaining this to you. You have already made up your mind, no sense in arguing it any further.

Not to mention its a playoff game, if you don't want the other team to score, how bout stopping them?

 

[stormwatcher]

how bout stopping them?

This^^^^^^^. If Giles felt disrespected, their playoff victory over Powell Valley a couple of years later probably felt that much sweeter. You can thank Robbins for the enhanced elation.

 

[stormwatcher]

Yo

or better yet class....guess I see it a little different...I'd agree with both of you...but the we'd all be wrong

For the record, class, at least to me, is taking your lumps while playing as hard as you can.......regardless the score. Then walking off the field with your head held high.
Complaining eleven years later about your own team's inability to stop someone seems a little whiny to me. I don't associate being whiny with having class......
That being said, you seem like a nice enough guy to me. I just don't agree with you on this particular issue.

 

[ghs89er]

If you look back...

For the record, class, at least to me, is taking your lumps while playing as hard as you can.......regardless the score. Then walking off the field with your head held high.
Complaining eleven years later about your own team's inability to stop someone seems a little whiny to me. I don't associate being whiny with having class......
That being said, you seem like a nice enough guy to me. I just don't agree with you on this particular issue.

I didn't bring it up...he did...like I said...they had the better team...but keep it real...like I said...Phil Robbins was a great coach...and he did like to rub noses in it...lots of folks have said it...like I said if Thomas Jones had gotten hurt when he should have taken knees we'd all still be talking about how dumb a move it was...as for the pass play....he bought up how they beat Giles pretty bad that day and set a record for longest pass play in the playoffs. ...and all I'm saying is it's kinda a d*^k move to throw with a minute left and a insurmountable lead...after lining up to punt and calling a timeout...I'm not whining at all...just telling it like it is...the better team by far won that day....but everyone knows how to win with class...but I have a friend that has the mentality of always pour it on...maybe you're of the same philosophy...maybe there should be no compassion for the other team no matter how good or bad they played...but I do know that in those 2 instances if reversed...knees would have been taken...and probably a punt since it was 4th down inside the 20...to me it's definitely not a pass play to remember unless you're the one that caught it....

 

[OldPro]

ghs89er you're absolutely correct! It was a beautiful clear day. Powell Valley had the dominant team. The game was won. Robbins called a time out to set that specific play up and run the slant. All he had to do was have his son take a knee or punt the ball. The starters were still in for Powell Valley. His son was the quarterback and that play was ran for 2 reasons. Robbins felt that Rags would have the box stacked to stop the run and he wanted to pad his sons stats. He knew that once the receiver cleared the line of scrimmage he would be gone. Secondly it was done because Phil Robbins was a dick. It all went back to when he was the coach at Christiansburg. He had some pretty good teams there but Coach Ragsdale and Giles always beat them. So anytime Phil had a chance to run the score up on Giles he did it. Futhermore my understanding was he got ran out of Powell Valley for the same reasons he left Christiansburg.

 

[vman3196]

For a minute there I thought I was reading a Giles V Glenvar post. Must have clicked on wrong thread. LOL

 

[BigWinners]

ghs89er you're absolutely correct! It was a beautiful clear day. Powell Valley had the dominant team. The game was won. Robbins called a time out to set that specific play up and run the slant. All he had to do was have his son take a knee or punt the ball. The starters were still in for Powell Valley. His son was the quarterback and that play was ran for 2 reasons. Robbins felt that Rags would have the box stacked to stop the run and he wanted to pad his sons stats. He knew that once the receiver cleared the line of scrimmage he would be gone. Secondly it was done because Phil Robbins was a dick. It all went back to when he was the coach at Christiansburg. He had some pretty good teams there but Coach Ragsdale and Giles always beat them. So anytime Phil had a chance to run the score up on Giles he did it. Futhermore my understanding was he got ran out of Powell Valley for the same reasons he left Christiansburg.

That is not the truth whatsoever, but whatever. Have fun being wrong.

 

[ghs89er]

That is not the truth whatsoever, but whatever. Have fun being wrong.

If you have a logical reason why you would not take a knee with a 21 to 6 lead and just over minute left...or a 27 to 0 lead on 4th down with a minute left you decide to call a timeout instead of a punt and the throw the ball...please feel free to explain...Phil Robbins was a perfect example of how you could really be a good coach and still be a jerk...

 

[OldPro]

Sure it's true I was there as well on the Giles sidelines. You tell yourself whatever you need to in order to validate Phil Robbins actions but the truth is what it is. As ghs89er says it has nothing to do with Robbins being a good coach, because he was. He won wherever he coached he just wasn't a good person.

 

[BigWinners]

If you have a logical reason why you would not take a knee with a 21 to 6 lead and just over minute left...or a 27 to 0 lead on 4th down with a minute left you decide to call a timeout instead of a punt and the throw the ball...please feel free to explain...Phil Robbins was a perfect example of how you could really be a good coach and still be a jerk...

Because if he had taken a knee, it would have been a safety.

I'm doe explaining why it happened, you are to stubborn to accept it, how bout you guys make a tackle next time?

The ONLY time Phil intentionally ran up the score was against Lee my senior year. Our starters were out at halftime, but Lee was abusing the young PV players, getting real chippy, throwing deep bombs constantly, etc.. so Phil put the starters back in and we scored 70.

Is there a way to PM you? I can tell you why that happened at Giles, but I wont post it on the open forum.

 

[BigWinners]

Sure it's true I was there as well on the Giles sidelines. You tell yourself whatever you need to in order to validate Phil Robbins actions but the truth is what it is. As ghs89er says it has nothing to do with Robbins being a good coach, because he was. He won wherever he coached he just wasn't a good person.

If you knew anything about Robbins, you would not say he was a bad person. Arrogant maybe, but not abad person. There were NUMEROUS things Phil did to help out the less fortunate in this community that never talked about becaue he never wanted credit for it. Phil was a lot of things, but not a bad person. Charles Manson was a bad person, Phil is not.