Rider points concept..... opinions?

[THEGOATFROMJMU]

Just came up with this one...…

How about giving some extra credit to those teams who beat teams with winning records...

current system:
If you beat a 5 win team you get 10 rider points
If you beat a 6 win team you get 12 rider points
etc etc

My thoughts is give teams incentive to play lower level teams who are really good... aka Galax/Essex/Riverheads

If you beat a 5 win team you get 10 rider points
If you beat a 6 win team you get 14 rider points vs. 12
If you beat a 7 win team you get 17 rider points vs. 14
If you beat a 8 win team you get 20 rider points vs. 16
If you hand a 9 win team it's only loss you can get 24 points vs. 18

 

[Baseball215]

I like the rider point system I think college and pro should adopt it just for example the patriots ,teams they play they might not make playoffs if had rider points

 

[RedPrideNation_RollPride]

Would you do the same thing for a loss to a lower classification team? If so you could have teams wanting to come down to cherry pick points to sneak in the bottom side of higher classification playoffs. In that regard I like the concept but would have to prove it out over a season to see if it in fact helps either way.

IMO I don't think you will entice mediocre Class 2, 3, 4 teams to play power house teams a classification or two below themselves. I mean if someone is looking at the points situation at all when scheduling that is and I don't think there is an emphasis on it. I do think teams shy away from class 1A and 2A teams with historically low win totals for this reason almost as much as those with historically good records.

 

[Gunz41]

There are only a handful of teams that are consistently GREAT record wise, and that would be fluid situation.

In this case, you are putting your success more into the hands of your opponents than yourself in some cases. Because schools still aren't going to throw out budget restrictions for travel, or districts and rivalries. So you would in many cases be punished for location.

As for college and pro, that would never work. For one, the NFL is in charge of scheduling not owners or ADs, and it is so much dependent on health, drafting, etc so it would be hard to assign anything concrete. And college, for it to actually work the same you would have to classify different conferences as "better". Which in turn leads to subjectivity.

I don't see a problem with the current system. You are rewarded for playing better teams

 

[Baseball215]

There are only a handful of teams that are consistently GREAT record wise, and that would be fluid situation.

In this case, you are putting your success more into the hands of your opponents than yourself in some cases. Because schools still aren't going to throw out budget restrictions for travel, or districts and rivalries. So you would in many cases be punished for location.

As for college and pro, that would never work. For one, the NFL is in charge of scheduling not owners or ADs, and it is so much dependent on health, drafting, etc so it would be hard to assign anything concrete. And college, for it to actually work the same you would have to classify different conferences as "better". Which in turn leads to subjectivity.

I don't see a problem with the current system. You are rewarded for playing better teams

Let’s take college you could assign 2 points for a win this way you can separate the teams at the end and for the pros it actually would work out great I think because next year schedule is pretty much already set let’s take a look at the patriots they are 7.- 0
The teams they have played have 7 wins I think collectively and super bowl champions this could be used to seed teams, and in college it would make teams play better competition instead of playing non conference bottom feeders

 

[Baseball215]

Just so they can just make a bowl game

 

[Gunz41]

Let’s take college you could assign 2 points for a win this way you can separate the teams at the end and for the pros it actually would work out great I think because next year schedule is pretty much already set let’s take a look at the patriots they are 7.- 0
The teams they have played have 7 wins I think collectively and super bowl champions this could be used to seed teams, and in college it would make teams play better competition instead of playing non conference bottom feeders

Not exactly (aside from the cupcake games they play). How do you fairly differentiate between an SEC vs say Pac 12? Or look at current records for an example LSU and Baylor both have the same record, I know which one I think is better. Or if you want to take it further, SMU. Or look at SEC opponents (I'm an Ohio State fan) vs PAC 12 or ACC. If you go by this point system (like you said they should use) then a game against Baylor would count the same as Alabama/LSU. The only difference could be what you go say as in "classification" which is then saying one conference is superior (which could be very subjective) and change year to year. And a lot of these big games are scheduled YEARS in advance. A couple years ago a game against Florida State or USC was looked at as a HUGE game, now not so much

As for NFL, I guess I am just of the mindset that a team should hold their destiny in their hands, not rely on others success to be responsible for their playoff destiny. Its not like aside from New England year in and year out that you could guarantee a team to be successful/struggle. And the schedule is somewhat set (conference, 1st place schedule, 2 conferences), but the NFL is settling the schedule for all teams, so why should Patriots be penalized for playing the Browns since at the moment they have failed to meet expectations, or even worse a team is playing well until someone gets hurt (think Aaron Rodgers a couple years ago). And what do you do with a team on schedule who is "tanking". There is SO much parity in the league where you have a team like the Jets who beat the Cowboys who then turn around and trounce the Eagles and the Jets look like they don't belong on a field with New England.

 

[Baseball215]

I’m am saying give them rider points for their opponents wins only and not saying this should be the only factor. The patriots will get home field through out playoffs playing the easiest schedule according to opponents win total should be a factor in my opinion. They have won 6 Super Bowls but how many times did they win it from having to play on first weekend.

 

[Gunz41]

I’m am saying give them rider points for their opponents wins only and not saying this should be the only factor. The patriots will get home field through out playoffs playing the easiest schedule according to opponents win total should be a factor in my opinion. They have won 6 Super Bowls but how many times did they win it from having to play on first weekend.

I think that's kind of the point of winning. Giving yourself the best chance of succeeding.

But, the Patriots are 76-20 against the division since 2003, a .792 win percentage. Against the rest of NFL they are 124-36(.775). And since 2003, 7 times has 2 teams made the playoffs.

I'm no Patriots fan, but to act as if their success is mainly because of their division is baseless based on the facts.

 

[Baseball215]

If you are guaranteed 8 wins a year it does kinda help

 

[Baseball215]

I’m not patriot hater but if you win super bowl you shouldn’t get the easiest schedule

 

[Gunz41]

If you are guaranteed 8 wins a year it does kinda help

6. But its really just the luck of the draw. The Steelers weren't supposed to be struggling, that happens with injury. They still have 3 of the favorites preseason for Super Bowl (Cowboys, Eagles, Chiefs). An NFL schedule is generated by playing your 6 division games, 1 full division in your conference, 1 full division in the other conference, and the teams in the other 2 divisions within your conference who finished in the same place you did in division.

So by luck of the draw, instead of playing the NFC east they could have been playing NFC West and their schedule would look harder at this point.

I am not saying that they don't benefit from their division, but they have fared almost as well against the rest of the league, and the schedule is generated for ALL teams, not just the top teams.

There is a difference between an AD setting a schedule and the league. I just don't see how a team can be punished by who is on their mandated schedule, for a big number of reasons. That doesn't even go into manipulation of things that could come into play.

And back to the college part, maybe an example would make my opinion better seen.

For LSU or Baylor, do you want something like 20/14 vs 16/14? Using the 14 and 2 points for each of their win, but the 20 or 16 is what you already have in HS for classification. So the SEC is regarded as having the best, so you are already telling the other conferences they are inferior, and again just so many factors for games that have to be scheduled years in advance. A bad recruiting class, a coach leaving, etc.

 

[GatorBait1988]

If you are guaranteed 8 wins a year it does kinda help

The Patriots win in the regular season and the playoffs....I don't understand your point. You would have a point if they won a bunch in the regular season and then lost against quality teams in the postseason....but they don't.....so......

 

[Baseball215]

The Patriots win in the regular season and the playoffs....I don't understand your point. You would have a point if they won a bunch in the regular season and then lost against quality teams in the postseason....but they don't.....so......

If you only have to play 2 rounds in playoffs every year cause your schedule is cake it does make a difference and you always play the lowest seed left because you get 8. -10 cake games a year and got best record if they were not in the afc East they would not have won as many Super Bowls

 

[RedPrideNation_RollPride]

I have to agree with @GatorBait1988 on this one. Not a Pats fan at all but they win in the playoffs even against good teams. They have to in order to make the SB. I see your point about an easier path but in the end they beat the team that beat the other half of the bracket so they are in fact the best representative based off of on the field performance. Put the haterade down and realize that whether you like them or not, it is pretty special what they do year in and year out.

And how did we get to professional football when we started out in HS ball? I don't even watch that crap anymore and it has nothing to do with protests. The play is horrible in general there and in college. Friday nights are where football is still great.

 

[GatorBait1988]

If you only have to play 2 rounds in playoffs every year cause your schedule is cake it does make a difference and you always play the lowest seed left because you get 8. -10 cake games a year and got best record if they were not in the afc East they would not have won as many Super Bowls

Let's just do some analysis on the Patriots Super Bowl winning years and what their strength of schedule was in that year....

2002 - Pats had the 13th toughest schedule

2004 - Pats had the 10th toughest schedule

2005 - Pats had the 7th toughest schedule

2015 - Pats had the 10th toughest schedule

2017 - Pats had the 9th toughest schedule

2019 - Pats were tied for the 22nd toughest schedule.

In all of their Super Bowl winning years they ranked outside the top half of the league just once and that was last year. The narrative in this argument is just wrong....not only are they beating quality playoff teams, they are also playing a regular season schedule that's in the top 10 toughest in the league 4 out of those 6 years.