After reading Mr Hites article in the Staunton News Leader everyone can see that this was the Super Bowl for Lee High ! So to beat a school nearly half its size makes them the best ? The young kids vs the Lee seniors ? Lee should have and did win by playing almost a perfect game . Good luck in the playoffs . Lets see who there at the end ! Go Big Red !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert E. Lee WINS It's Super Bowl
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You're a sad fellow.
Come on man, give those kids their due. They played well and beat the Red team. I'm as surprised as anybody at the result. Hats off to Coach G and his team.
Have you read the online article posted today ? I will answer for you ,,, NO . Time will tell .
Odd post as usual dude. Lee wants to be the best, and to do that you have to beat the best, period. Riverheads had steamrolled them two years in a row and were favorites again this year. The boys wanted to get a win, just like they do every week, if you think it's their super bowl, more power to you, but listen to the actual interviews after the game posted on the newsleader by their QB Williams as he almost immediately answers the question with: it's nice to get a win but it's behind us now, on to the next one. I think Riverheads is a great program, as does everyone in the state, but the game is over now, take your L as theres nothing that can be done about it now and move on to your next opponent. Geez.
If RE Lee is twice their size then shouldn't they be playing 3A since Riverheads is 2A?
That's funny, you don't have a problem with RH playing and beating teams with 180-250 kids, you know schools half their size, yet you come on here and complain about them losing to a school bigger than them. GTFOH. And for the record Lee is not even close to double the size of 474 RH. THey are at 745, not 950. Pitiful
Their is a lot of people on here that says RH cheats the system to stay in 1A when they should be 2A. Personally I don't know have a clue how many kids they have but VHSL says they're 1A so I'll go with that.
Yes but if they were in fact twice their size at 950, that would put them in 3A. 1A is the only classification that forces schools to play teams double their size
Well the cutoff for 1A is 475. RH dropped down from 2A and ended up with 474 lol.
I'm surprised the newsleader didnt do an article on the post game name calling and harassment one of the black Lee players, Patrick Cabell, experienced after the game.... I'm not going to post the details, but for those interested, feel free to look at Patrick Cabell's facebook or twitter
You beat me to it. Xcross and his faithful should feel a lot more worried about the articles that could come from the things said to Patrick after the game. (In person and thru social media.)
Completely unacceptable but not surprising.
Year Riverheads enrollment/1A cutoff Record
2017 474/475 TBD
2016 475/475 13-1 D1 state champs
2015 475/475 13-1 D1 runner-up, lost to Galax in the championship
2014 475/NA 11-1 Lost to King William in 2nd round D2 playoffs
2013 494/NA 12-2 Lost to D2 state champ Giles
2012 512/NA 10-2 Lost to D2 state runner-up Wilson Memorial
2011 512/NA 12-1 Lost to D2 state champ Gretna
2010 496/NA 13-1 D1 state champs
2009 496/NA 10-2 Lost to D1 champ Altavista
2008 526/NA 7-4 Lost to D1 state runner-up William Campbell
-per VHSL-reference.com
They basically got tired of being the smallest 2A school and being the 2A bridesmaid, so they manipulated their daily admin numbers by hiding kids in alternate education programs. It is a shame as they have a great football program but I guesss they just figured they werent getting their reward. It is a sore subject, and it always comes up and someone has to be th smallest and biggest. Having said that, I have no beef with RH, my beef is the cutoff number is to high for 1A.
I absolutely agree with this. If the cutoff is changed to 450, it solves the Riverheads controversy (until they start reporting 449). It only affects 3 other schools moving from 1A to 2A: Washington & Lee, Windsor, and George Wythe. George Wythe has a better chance of hanging with Poquoson and RE Lee Staunton than Craig and Bath have of hanging with GW, same with W&L. Windsor, in football at least, will struggle at every level.
Then be somebody else complaining about the school that has 449 students give me a break. I wish they would go back to 3 division that would solve everything. The 6 division are set up so everyone gets a trophy . We got the 6 division and now not happy of the way they are divided. Work harder get better deal with what we got.
How much better do you think a school like Colonial Beach can get with 170 kids, and have to compete with RH with 475? How bout Riverheads get better and start competing with schools with 950 kids for a title. I dont think they would be very happy with that considering they couldnt even win a 2A title
Don't believe that is correct I think it only 3 then single a split then they all split
That would limit C1 to only 28 teams. I agree with Baseball and others who have said it, 6 classes is too much for the number of teams and the differences in size we have in Virginia. It should be 4 classes, but 6 is what we have. You can't go back, Bob.
He might be saying go back even before that. I prefer 4 to 3 classes. If you split the state into four classes, it's amazing how well the district alignments fall into place naturally.
So be it. They could drop 2 games and play 8, would cut down on already strained budgets and travel. I know it will never be a perfect system, but the current system makes it damn hard for the smaller schools.
I think we have this discussion annually so I will ask again, what are the enrollment ranges that would make this work?
I for one like the soccer club mentality of moving up the top 4 and moving down the bottom four in each division. To me it’s a controversy that really doesn’t need to be there.
And again I want to state to the fella that continually points out we didn’t win a title in 2A, we were competitive which was fine by me. I was fat, dumb, and happy there and wouldn’t care if we went back. For the most part I still say there are only 10 or so teams in 2A that can consistently beat the Red team.
As usual we will all argue about fairness and enrollment when we can’t do anything about it but gripe. Present a plan instead of just bitching. I personally think limiting the enrollment to a max of 350 in 1A is just silly but that’s my opinion.
Let’s argue about my alternate plan of alignment annually like european club soccer. It at least adds something different than just number of kids. Utilize another method of separation if needed. And before the criticism starts, the only high school sports program that makes money is football so let’s stick to it for this argument please.
I for one like the soccer club mentality of moving up the top 4 and moving down the bottom four in each division. To me it’s a controversy that really doesn’t need to be there.
And again I want to state to the fella that continually points out we didn’t win a title in 2A, we were competitive which was fine by me. I was fat, dumb, and happy there and wouldn’t care if we went back. For the most part I still say there are only 10 or so teams in 2A that can consistently beat the Red team.
As usual we will all argue about fairness and enrollment when we can’t do anything about it but gripe. Present a plan instead of just bitching. I personally think limiting the enrollment to a max of 350 in 1A is just silly but that’s my opinion.
Let’s argue about my alternate plan of alignment annually like european club soccer. It at least adds something different than just number of kids. Utilize another method of separation if needed. And before the criticism starts, the only high school sports program that makes money is football so let’s stick to it for this argument please.
I'm not sure people have a huge problem with the enrollment range system that's in place. I think the main gripe is the alleged manipulation of that system, right?
Well there was a jackwagon last year that “had proof” of manipulation. As I said last year, then bring it to light and let’s move on.
And there a several on here that gripe continually about schools with 200 kids playing schools with 450. So the numbers are a problem for some.
But kinda like Richlands get tired of hearing the same tired complaining about recruitment and old controversies, quit your bitching. With the money spent on athletics if there was a reasonable suspicion, do any of you honestly think someone would not have looked into this thoroughly? It’s ridiculous so that’s the last time this year I will address it myself.
Personally I want to get back to the game that was being talked about. Lee did what they needed to and with Coach G in place they will be good for years to come. Lots of respect for him and what he is doing there.
Now to the other controversy, every team has fans that are outliers and that do not represent what the program is about. Xcross likes to get everyone’s dander up and generally be a jerk. He is a fan at heart and will support this team regardless. It doesn’t take away from the effort of the team or the opponent in this particular case.
His are just words meant to inflame in most cases so quit taking the bait. I agree the article was odd but everyone that’s been here a while remembers that Wilson was the new dominate district team in th Shenandoah several years ago and that’s all we heard for a short time. I think it’s great when the whole district is playing good and representing.
It was an article to play to the masses which dislike the Red team in our area. I get it and applaud Patrick for putting it out there. Like @Keith_Stone33 mentioned, we have been the kind of a measuring stick for the area so its a compliment to be thought of in that light.
I look forward to seeing how this team responds. There is a very tough opponent in Central that we face this week. Can they right the ship or is this the first back to back losses in ages for a team from G-ville? How will that impact the playoff seeding in division 1 and 2 for region B? Will Lee coast this week and then take on resurgent Stuart’s Draft team?
And there a several on here that gripe continually about schools with 200 kids playing schools with 450. So the numbers are a problem for some.
But kinda like Richlands get tired of hearing the same tired complaining about recruitment and old controversies, quit your bitching. With the money spent on athletics if there was a reasonable suspicion, do any of you honestly think someone would not have looked into this thoroughly? It’s ridiculous so that’s the last time this year I will address it myself.
Personally I want to get back to the game that was being talked about. Lee did what they needed to and with Coach G in place they will be good for years to come. Lots of respect for him and what he is doing there.
Now to the other controversy, every team has fans that are outliers and that do not represent what the program is about. Xcross likes to get everyone’s dander up and generally be a jerk. He is a fan at heart and will support this team regardless. It doesn’t take away from the effort of the team or the opponent in this particular case.
His are just words meant to inflame in most cases so quit taking the bait. I agree the article was odd but everyone that’s been here a while remembers that Wilson was the new dominate district team in th Shenandoah several years ago and that’s all we heard for a short time. I think it’s great when the whole district is playing good and representing.
It was an article to play to the masses which dislike the Red team in our area. I get it and applaud Patrick for putting it out there. Like @Keith_Stone33 mentioned, we have been the kind of a measuring stick for the area so its a compliment to be thought of in that light.
I look forward to seeing how this team responds. There is a very tough opponent in Central that we face this week. Can they right the ship or is this the first back to back losses in ages for a team from G-ville? How will that impact the playoff seeding in division 1 and 2 for region B? Will Lee coast this week and then take on resurgent Stuart’s Draft team?
I dislike Riverheads, maybe not as much as some others, and I certainly think (in my best Stephen A. Smith voice, @Xcross is my friend), takes it way too far sometimes, especially talking about kids, contradicting himself, etc., but I dont get the whining about the enrollment numbers for Riverheads. IF they are doing it, then it is their loss, as they are losing money for their school. They also aren't winning a state championship in 1a every year (I believe 3 or 4 total) and competed while not winning in 2a. To whoever said not hearing it about other schools near the cutoff, you don't hear it because they aren't as consistent as Riverheads. But continuing to hear this every year just gets old.
I also knew as soon as Lee won the game Friday that my buddy was going to say it was their Super Bowl. It's his MO and exactly what it was last year when SD beat them, and will be the same if Central beats them.
One thing I will have to strongly disagree with him on, and did after last year is saying that since beating Riverheads was their Super Bowl and that SD/LEE or any of the others won't win it all. Well while we want to complain about the classification and all, one thing that you can't deny, is that SD or LEE aren't playing the same teams in the playoffs as Riverheads. And with SD last year, Riverheads didn't have to play a Richlands or if "The Drive" hasn't clipped SD, not an Appomattox. We will never know if Riverheads could have played with those teams. But if Lee loses later on down the line doesn't mean they weren't any good, or better than Riverheads, what it means is that the team that beat them was better than them, especially on the day they played.
In summary, if Riverheads wins another championship this year, by the numbers they are where they should be, and if they win and Robert E Lee doesn't, it doesn't mean it was because they beat Riverheads, it's because they played a different team than Riverheads and lost. The 2 dont correlate
I also knew as soon as Lee won the game Friday that my buddy was going to say it was their Super Bowl. It's his MO and exactly what it was last year when SD beat them, and will be the same if Central beats them.
One thing I will have to strongly disagree with him on, and did after last year is saying that since beating Riverheads was their Super Bowl and that SD/LEE or any of the others won't win it all. Well while we want to complain about the classification and all, one thing that you can't deny, is that SD or LEE aren't playing the same teams in the playoffs as Riverheads. And with SD last year, Riverheads didn't have to play a Richlands or if "The Drive" hasn't clipped SD, not an Appomattox. We will never know if Riverheads could have played with those teams. But if Lee loses later on down the line doesn't mean they weren't any good, or better than Riverheads, what it means is that the team that beat them was better than them, especially on the day they played.
In summary, if Riverheads wins another championship this year, by the numbers they are where they should be, and if they win and Robert E Lee doesn't, it doesn't mean it was because they beat Riverheads, it's because they played a different team than Riverheads and lost. The 2 dont correlate
The Draft game worries me a lot to be honest. From what I have seen of them, it looks like their D matches up to the Lee O about as well or better than any team in the district. If their starting QB (and either DB or LB on defense) is at full strength that'll give them a boost on both sides of the ball. If Jenkins for Luray is out again this week, I like SD to pull off the upset against them... To me, SD is better than their record, and like Gunz has said, they could very easily be undefeated or have 1 loss with the games they've been in.
Late joining this discussion but I personally think it is ridiculous to anoint Lee as the top team in the area based on this one game. They won it because they had the extra week to prepare and because they cut down on their turnovers. If they want to prove that they are number one, then they can do that by running the table the rest of the season, which will include beating Stuarts Draft, and then making a deep playoff run, or maybe winning the whole thing. One bad game with 3 or 4 turnovers would bring them back down to earth in a heartbeat.
As for the other two controversies mentioned here.......I personally did not hear anything personal being said about a Lee player but you have to remember there were 3,000 or more people there and there was bound to be a jerk or two among them. To make a statement as someone did that implies that all Riverheads people are like that is just as inflammatory in my opinion.
Then there is this insane argument about the enrollment that comes up as often as the full moon does. When are we going to give that a rest? If anyone out there really feels strongly that Riverheads is doing something dishonest, then take your complaints to the VHSL. If they won't listen, then bug them again and again if you still feel like you have a point. Harping about it on here will accomplish nothing.
As for changing the enrollment figures for any given classification, can't you guys see that you would never come up with anything that would satisfy everyone? If you lowered the 1-A maximum to 350, then there would be some school out there that would report 349 and you guys would bellyache about that. I believe there used to be a policy that if you belonged in such and such a classification, or such and such a district, then you could petition to move either higher or lower or stay where you wanted to stay, and if you presented a strong enough argument, they would give you what you wanted. If such a policy still exists, then how could anything be more fair than that?
As for the other two controversies mentioned here.......I personally did not hear anything personal being said about a Lee player but you have to remember there were 3,000 or more people there and there was bound to be a jerk or two among them. To make a statement as someone did that implies that all Riverheads people are like that is just as inflammatory in my opinion.
Then there is this insane argument about the enrollment that comes up as often as the full moon does. When are we going to give that a rest? If anyone out there really feels strongly that Riverheads is doing something dishonest, then take your complaints to the VHSL. If they won't listen, then bug them again and again if you still feel like you have a point. Harping about it on here will accomplish nothing.
As for changing the enrollment figures for any given classification, can't you guys see that you would never come up with anything that would satisfy everyone? If you lowered the 1-A maximum to 350, then there would be some school out there that would report 349 and you guys would bellyache about that. I believe there used to be a policy that if you belonged in such and such a classification, or such and such a district, then you could petition to move either higher or lower or stay where you wanted to stay, and if you presented a strong enough argument, they would give you what you wanted. If such a policy still exists, then how could anything be more fair than that?
It was a player for RHS, not fans
In my heyday on here I had a very big disdain for the red school. I still don’t root for them, never will. But I do respect them and what they do year after year.
We’d be kidding ourselves to say they couldn’t beat most the 2A schools. “Most”
In my heyday on here I had a very big disdain for the red school. I still don’t root for them, never will. But I do respect them and what they do year after year.
We’d be kidding ourselves to say they couldn’t beat most the 2A schools. “Most”
What the player said after the game could have probably been swept under the rug as people sometimes lose their cool in the heat of the moment, although it stopped being socially acceptable to talk to black people like that in the 50s; however the comments from his girlfriend, in particular, on social media will likely make sure that this will be addressed by the administration. I'm sure you'll hear about it this week @longtimerhsfan as the story and messages from the girlfriend have been shared and retweeted all over twitter and facebook.
I thought Lee played well last Friday, and we can blame it on the bye week, the lack of turnovers, or the fact that they matched up favorably to Riverheads this year, whichever. Riverheads will probably rule the series for the next several years, but Lee got to add 1 to the win column this year. I don't know that Riverheads will see a team like Lee in the postseason, but they might, and if they do they'll be better prepared now... They are still favored to win the 1A championship this year, so this loss will likely have no meaning to them in a few weeks.
I am never a proponent of "the loss was good for them" but it is hard to ignore how well RHS played last year after losing to Draft. It will be interesting to see how they immediately respond against a team, Central Woodstock, who I was believing to be their toughest opponent of the season. RHS has had 1 bad game. I expect them to get back to form against Central, even if they lose, I expect them move the ball and have a decent defensive performance.
I have seen Lee play a few times this season and this was easily their best team performance. (ER game would be next best, IMO) If they can play at that level every week, they will be tough to beat. It looks like consistent play and effort might be their biggest hurdle. Obviously they can be coached up to be in the right spot and they are capable of making plays as that was on full display last Friday.
Good luck to both teams the rest of the way. I look forward to seeing them both in their respective playoff runs.
Shameless plug: Remember to tune into 1240AM WTON every Friday at 5:30 for pregame, and 7:00 for kickoff of our game of the week. We will be here through the playoffs.
I will be pulling for Riverheads to lose to the East in a few weeks when the Region A representative plays Riverheads in the State Semis. In, other words, I am not a fan of Riverheads.
However, in my experience, public schools go out of their way to make sure that every single student enrolled in their school gets counted. This is how schools get paid by the state government - per student.
I seriously doubt that the "suits" care more about football than their precious state funding.
Also, Riverheads usually does just fine against Class 2 it seems to me.
However, in my experience, public schools go out of their way to make sure that every single student enrolled in their school gets counted. This is how schools get paid by the state government - per student.
I seriously doubt that the "suits" care more about football than their precious state funding.
Also, Riverheads usually does just fine against Class 2 it seems to me.
