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u are probably talking about Devon Graves. He will be a Junior this year and already committed to NC State.
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u are probably talking about Devon Graves. He will be a Junior this year and already committed to NC State.
Don't know if you've seen in play in person DP, but I saw him in the Atlee game and I noticed that there were some plays that he took off. To his defense, he really didn't need to do a lot (Highland Springs was just that good), but as big as he is, the intimidation factor isn't as big as you would think. It'll be interesting to see how he performs this year.
That's kind of what I saw. He was not "all in". We know that is mandatory at the next level. He better start getting that in his head now.
When will you guys learn that recruiting and next level has nothing to do with "all in" or "heart". Much as I would like it to be so.
It is size, speed, strength and athleticism. Salem won a State Championship based on heart and good Coaching. Doesn't fly in the next level. Jadeveon Clowney is a great example. Definitely took plays off in College and HS. Now in the NFL. Still one of the most highly valued players. Why? Size, speed, strength, athleticism. None of which can be trained. All the heart and work in the world can't beat that at the next levels. The Coachs want these qualities first and believe they can make the rest.
Not always right but this is how they get to keep their jobs. Again, not necessarily my choice or my preference. Just the facts of the situation.
It is size, speed, strength and athleticism. Salem won a State Championship based on heart and good Coaching. Doesn't fly in the next level. Jadeveon Clowney is a great example. Definitely took plays off in College and HS. Now in the NFL. Still one of the most highly valued players. Why? Size, speed, strength, athleticism. None of which can be trained. All the heart and work in the world can't beat that at the next levels. The Coachs want these qualities first and believe they can make the rest.
Not always right but this is how they get to keep their jobs. Again, not necessarily my choice or my preference. Just the facts of the situation.
I'm pretty sure Coleman Fox had other offers besides VT.
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Playing football at any level is a commitment, letter of intent or not. Did you play college football? Were you recruited? Just curious.
I went to the Seminary in Douglaston Queens for two years after HS. Thought I wanted to be a priest. No athletics at all. Did get HS offers to the Military Academies (not for football. My HS was a Prep Seminary. No team. Only 300 kids in the School) but that was just not my style. Different era. Different attitudes about the military. Like not wanting to get shot in Vietnam.
I did go to regular College after that on schollie to play Baseball and Soccer. Gave it all up after two years. Just tired of school. I did get my only Football offer shortly after than when I visited my friend at Ohio State University. We played an Ultimate Frisbee tournament in the stadium. Woody Hayes offered me there after watching the Tourney even though I told him I hadn't play ball since I was 12. I declined. Another dumb youth decision.
Did play a few years in the minors for the Richmond Braves. Dale Murphy was my roommate (in a donated basement apartment). Reflects how old I am. Even went to Spring training with the big club after the first year and got my ultimate high and ultimate low in 30 seconds. Hank Aaron (age again) told me I was one of the best Center Fielders he ever saw. Then he said I needed to spend a LOT of time in the cage. I was a slapper and relied on speed to get on base. Rod Carew guy. But they changed my swing so I could "drive" the ball. Didn't take. I sucked year two and barely hit my weight after leading the team the year before. Gave it up. Was always proud of how many times I was fined for running through the Coach's stop sign and stealing home on my own. If I had ever been thrown out, I would have owed the Braves money.
My middle son played DI football. All State. Lot's of recruiting. eldest had a good shot at Baseball but blew out his knee during his Junior year. Blew out the other Senior year. Done. The youngest was quite good but he didn't have the size.
Been doing this awhile. I have more than a clue about athletes and what recruiting is today.
I was a Cardinals fan growing up (because that was my T-ball team) but my Dad and older brother were Braves fans. We went a few years on vacation to Atlanta where we went to Six Flags & Braves games. My favorite Braves' player was Dale Murphy.
I'm planning on making the 7 on 7 tomorrow at PH. I'll let you know who's there and who looks good. I'm hoping the weather will be cooperative.
He had an offer to ODU and Army when VT offered late and he chose them over the other 2.
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FYI, he was a Catcher when I roomed with him. Not too many folks know that's how he started.
I did not know that. I would have expected a Military school but never saw that in the database. VT was the only one I found. But you're Mike Salem. I believe you and thanks for the correction.
Hoyt got offered by Virginia Tech Pittsburg and BYU the same year as a senior. It isn't nearly as rare as you make it out to be. Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
Thanks for the response. I sincerely was curious and not trying to be snarky. It helps me see what your perspective is about football. I have always been a Braves fan.
No issue at all. Asking for a resume is perfectly understandable.
Always a big football fan since I played as a kid in the Huntington Football League and sealed when I watched the 69' Jets. But absolutely a Giants fan, where defense was serious business. Harry Carson, Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks was the greatest line backing trio is Football History. IMO. The term "nasty" would discredit them. I prefer " terminated with extreme prejudice". I believe Salem knows a little about that.
What year did you play with Murphy in Richmond and where did you start your Braves career.
First you don't count any of the recent Salem VMI players because VMI gets the scraps, isn't competitive, etc. Then you discount a recent player that went to VT because it was a "legacy" and his "only offer" which then was proven to be wrong. Then I give you another player from the same year on the same team that god three offers his senior year. I could literally find hundreds of these players every year.
Perhaps, if you looked throughout the Country. Not if you're just counting VA, which is what we're talking about on this board. Almost all VMI players come Senior year because they can't get anyone prior.
But I have found the database no longer reflects the offer dates. I can verify that Fox Coleman had 7 total offers. One FBS during his Senior year and thankfully, the one he wanted. I can verify that UVA currently has 13 committed players and VT has 15. Limit is 25 and we're not even done with June. VMI has zip. Starting to get the picture?
You cannot verify anything. At this point, I cannot find references to verify offer dates either. The database no longer reflects this although it did for many years prior to the "upgrade". So we'll have to keep score this year. You will not get more than 25 VA players with Senior year DI offers (that's after Sept 1) prior to National Signing day. VMI doesn't count because they don't get anyone prior to Sept 1. But, of course, you can site hundreds of Players, so this slight handicap should not be an issue. More than welcome to throw it in my face when you win. I will be much kinder.
I never said in VA... you just made it in VA only. There will still be a bunch just in this state. What other stipulations do you have? We know VMI is off limits any other schools? Do legacies count or no? I need to know every measure you will use to discount the actual numbers with.
No stipulations. VMI is it. senior players with a DI offer after Sept I. That's it. More than 25 players. You win. Easy, Peazy, lemon squeezy. I'll be nice about it and just post the numbers. Don't worry. But you'll be very fortunate to get halfway. Remember, it's players with offers. Not offers to players. And I NEVER discount real numbers.
I will also say that I do not agree with this philosophy but it is the nature of today's recruiting. You cannot be blinded by the facts. You must be first to get the best athletes, even though these are young men that may develop at different rates. Many lose sight of this but when you're successful, others must follow. The competition is fierce.
Sept 1 is the date. Lock em' in. The good programs are recruiting 2018 - 19 kids after that and making sure their commits stay that way. Not believing or understanding that is your option.
"No stipulations. VMI is it"... can you be any more hypocritical? You do discount real numbers because you are already choosing one school not to include.
Do you really think I don't understand recruiting? I played college football and have been writing for Virginia Tech football for years. You are acting like you have a level of understanding far beyond anybody else and it gets old.
I specified VMI out of the chute.
Recruiting is over Sept 1. That's the deal. VMI is not even a player in the recruiting game. That's why they are meaningless. It's why they are who they are. If you write for VATech, you already know that. You should also know you can't win this challenge. Save face and let it go. I won't rub your nose in it but I will post the numbers if you wish to continue.
Recruiting is never really over, however, for all intents and purposes the first Wednesday of February moves the page to the next class.
First off, 25 kids in the state is a pretty good number and already not as rare as you make it out to be. Two years ago Salem had 2 kids alone that would have fit this criteria (5-6 if you count VMI).
Still trying to figure out why you would even post "not a serious player" to start with. It wasn't like there was an ongoing discussion about what level cfb the kid would play and you were giving your opinion. It was completely out of the blue and pretty obviously meant to be demeaning. Regardless you have been wrong multiple times in this thread already, which seems to be pretty standard.
Glad you liked it but my opinion remains the same. If it's any consolation to you, I didn't think Tace McSorely was a D1 QB either.
McSorley is just a winner and a great competitor. In HS he led Briar Woods to 4 State appearances, winning 3 in a row in 4A, and a runner up in 5A! PSU started slow before ultimately ending up 10-3 this year. Good things to come for his Sr season, maybe an appearance in the Final 4 CFP? (Just missed out at #5 this year)
Ashton at Pitt (fotmerly Sherando) has been great too!
And now Rivers (Sherando) going to VT at LB, good things and big Congratulations from an UVA fan!
I hope Coleman Fox will be used this year at slot receiver since the backfield seems loaded. And I hope Zacharias Hoyt will play Center too this year.
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