STICK A FORK IN THEM
- Thread starter BoKnowsSports
- Start date
The alarming thing is that it took a while to conduct the investigation. I hope that the VHSL 's investigation ran parallel to Fairfax County's. I'm not surprised that Fairfax County's investigation came out now it did. It's a strange World up there.
However, the VHSL showed competence in conducting an investigation and they made the decision prior to the playoffs.
I usually give the VHSL a lot of deserved criticism, but this time, it looked like they were able come to a conclusion which may not be popular with many folks who follow the sport.
However, the VHSL showed competence in conducting an investigation and they made the decision prior to the playoffs.
I usually give the VHSL a lot of deserved criticism, but this time, it looked like they were able come to a conclusion which may not be popular with many folks who follow the sport.
The flamboyant arrogance caught up with them. Can’t do the wrong things and expect good to follow you. Good call by the VHSL.
Probably better to say potentially wrecked at this point until all appeals are exhausted. The VHSL and its committees have been known to cave to the power of the largest schools systems in the state and the make up of the committee that hears the appeal may have some bearing on the final outcome.
Terrible that they took this late in season to determine this.
Will Overton abandon Hayfield now, just like he did Freedom? Heaven forbid he actually had to coach instead of just recruiting all star teams
You referenced an 804 team maybe being next. This flurry of activity at this particular time begs the question as to what, if anything, has all of a sudden changed or maybe it is just a case of pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered as the actions have become more brazen. A 2 year ban has certainly got the attention of someone.
Vhsl is scared of lawsuits. Look at the LCA situation
Who do you believe will be suing the VHSL and under what cause? I think the LCA situation is a different matter. LCA, under the Liberty umbrella, had massive resources that VHSL could not hope to match and, with that consideration and trial risk the VHSL opted to settle and get the best deal available. Likely proved to be the right decision for multiple reasons.
Doubt a disgruntled parent has resources and doubt there is anything there to entice an attorney, aside from them being the disgruntled part or a friend of the parent and that is before we discuss what the relief might be that they would seek.
I understand it's Northern Virginia but, I think you misjudge the amount of resources that might be required to scare the VHSL off a lawsuit, not to mention the top shelf legal talent that might be needed to scare them.
Last edited:
I think you are giving the VHSL way too much credit.
Last edited:
Let me explain it to you. The VHSL is not suit averse but, they are not stupid. You trotted out the LCA situation seemingly without understanding the nature of the suit. First, under the Liberty umbrella, LCA had plentiful financial resources to contest a suit if it went to trial, likely far more than most, if not any and all, disgruntled Northern Virginia parents. Second, to further demonstrate their commitment LCA engaged Winston & Strawn LLP an international law firm headquarted in Chicago with substantial litigation resources at their disposal. Finally, LCA was fighting for a long term business objective.
I will ask you again, do you really see a disgruntled parent mounting a serious and substantial lawsuit and, if so, what is their objective/goal for relief? I have given the VHSL credit for recognizing the nature of threats and their best options to defend against those threats. Perhaps you can explain what you believe the VHSL has to be scared of in a suit surrounding this situation? You made a good call on the ban, not so much on the assessment of the VHSL legal peril, at least so far.
They used kids from their PME rec team. Overton is one hell of a coach.
O how there’s so much more to the Hayfield thing than some may know. I work with someone close to the situation that I very seriously doubt would give false information. I’ll leave it at that considering this will take a back seat to the Patriot situation that will be front and center.
They obviously didn't do it the correct way. Lol. You don't just have that many kids transfer in one off-season. Rec teams may not have zones and he could go and recruit at the youth level, but high school does and if they were doing it illegally, then it doesn't matter.
This is corny honestly. The school district said in August that Hayfield was cleared and now after the whole season goes by now they’re ineligible?
The kids are getting the short end of the stick. Just suspend DO rest of the year but don’t take what these kids worked for away from them.
I agree that the kids are getting short changed. But their parents knew that they were breaking the rules and just went along with it. From hearing from people closer to the situation, it seems like the school system said there wasn't any wrongdoing, because they were trying to cover their own tracks. But no way that many students moved into the Hayfield school zone and are paying tuition. Why not go to an average program and build them up into a contender, instead of recruiting. Ultimately, Overton not only screwed over Hayfield, but he did the same to Freedom as well.
It takes time to investigate and build a case. Yes, the kids are suffering, but the coaches, parents, school admin, and possibly the kids themselves were fully aware of their transgressions. In life we all must be held accountable for our actions. I heard a great quote today that applies to this situation. "Excuses are just lies".
I’m sorry, I can’t buy this for one reason. Freedom is 0-6. Way to build up a program the right way Daryl! You really built a thing that can stand the test of time. A mark of a great coach is the house being strong when they leave. If it totally crumbles, it was all about them, definitely not about establishing a foundation and coaching kids up the right way.
95fan hit the nail on the head. There are virtually no innocent parties with this debacle. From the County School Superintendant down to the kids that that improperly participated, and everybody at every level in-between. Only the kids may have the slightest excuse, because they were dependent on some adult to guide them and advise them, and they were misled.
Say and believe what you want, but this is the time in the lives of these young people when they are learning by example, learning about accountability for their actions, and learning that the real world doesn’t coddle you every time something unfortunate happens.
It’s despicable what the Fairfax County School Officials turned a blind eye to not just the illegality of allowing ineligible students to participate, but by not acting, they insinuated that winning is more important that honesty and integrity.
I hope and pray that the VHSL appeals committee finds that the two year ban for playoff participation is fair and justified, and leaves this punishment intact. I hope that the Fairfax School System takes a hard look at those employees that are the most culpable and takes significant action against them.
I hope that this serves as the proverbial shot fired across the bow of the boat and the others out there attempting to skirt the eligibility rules get the message loud and clear.
Say and believe what you want, but this is the time in the lives of these young people when they are learning by example, learning about accountability for their actions, and learning that the real world doesn’t coddle you every time something unfortunate happens.
It’s despicable what the Fairfax County School Officials turned a blind eye to not just the illegality of allowing ineligible students to participate, but by not acting, they insinuated that winning is more important that honesty and integrity.
I hope and pray that the VHSL appeals committee finds that the two year ban for playoff participation is fair and justified, and leaves this punishment intact. I hope that the Fairfax School System takes a hard look at those employees that are the most culpable and takes significant action against them.
I hope that this serves as the proverbial shot fired across the bow of the boat and the others out there attempting to skirt the eligibility rules get the message loud and clear.
Yeah I’ll continue to say this is corny to let the whole season play out then hit them with this after verifying that they were good to go at beginning of the year. Timing is everything and at the end of the day nobody suffers more than the kids
Agree, but the League NEVER said they were good to go, only their own internal investigation said that.
The ban is ok to me even though i hate the timing. But I would much rather them just rule out how ever many kids are ineligible and let the actual eligible kids plays. Suspend Overton also.
@Phoebus Fan what part of illegal do you not understand? It takes time to prove guilt without a shadow of doubt! I can't speak for the VHSL, but anyone who has investigated anything surely wouldn't attempt to prosecute without all the facts. Timing? Are y'all saying it's okay to cheat, win and then punish later? Think about that for a second. I ain't buying the "poor" kids stuff either. They knew they didn't live in Hayfields zone. It's the abuse of the AAU system at its finest.
Great point! Suspend and then let the others continue into the playoffs which could still possibly happen. This was a recommendation.
I would be shocked if that happened. It would be precedent setting. All the teams over the years that had used an ineligible player had to forfeit those games. If they had chosen forfeiture as punishment then Hayfield making the playoffs would have not entered the equation for this year. They would be 0-10.
If they set this new precedent, what would happen in the future? Use a couple of ineligible players for 10 games, make the playoffs and sit those two players for the playoffs? You know that can’t be allowed.
As far as I know, the League has no authority to suspend, disallow, or otherwise disqualify a coach. That has to be done by their employer. If the League had that authority, a 10 year ban would certainly make others sit up and take notice.
If they set this new precedent, what would happen in the future? Use a couple of ineligible players for 10 games, make the playoffs and sit those two players for the playoffs? You know that can’t be allowed.
As far as I know, the League has no authority to suspend, disallow, or otherwise disqualify a coach. That has to be done by their employer. If the League had that authority, a 10 year ban would certainly make others sit up and take notice.
You’re right. With it being this late those wins could be vacated and they wouldn’t qualify point wise.
There was a hazing situation in the locker room
Prince William schools investigating alleged assault in Patriot High School locker room
School spokeswoman Diana Gulotta told InsideNoVa on Thursday that the school district is aware of a video circulating on social media that "captures an incident of an alleged assault in the locker room at Patriot High School."
Last edited:
Thank you.There was a hazing situation in the locker room
Prince William schools investigating alleged assault in Patriot High School locker room
School spokeswoman Diana Gulotta told InsideNoVa on Thursday that the school district is aware of a video circulating on social media that "captures an incident of an alleged assault in the locker room at Patriot High School."www.insidenova.com
I’m all for kids transferring to improve their academic and athletic situations. What’s lame as hell with this generation is they try to form superteams. What’s even more lame is these “adults” that call themselves “coaches” were renting vans and taking kids up 95 to workout at Hayfield back when DO got hired and into the summer. Their playoff ban is 100% correct call by the VHSL.
Similar situation happening down in South Carolina with a coach that left a state contender and brought a third of his team with him. The coach left Clinton High School (located halfway between Fayetteville and Wilmington) and ended up at Marlboro County (you more than likely pass through there if you go to Myrtle Beach coming down 220), which is about 100 miles from Clinton. WILD as hell that people find stuff like this legal.
Here’s the article: https://www.si.com/high-school/sout...outh-carolina-high-school-league-01jbfcs0p9ts
Similar situation happening down in South Carolina with a coach that left a state contender and brought a third of his team with him. The coach left Clinton High School (located halfway between Fayetteville and Wilmington) and ended up at Marlboro County (you more than likely pass through there if you go to Myrtle Beach coming down 220), which is about 100 miles from Clinton. WILD as hell that people find stuff like this legal.
Here’s the article: https://www.si.com/high-school/sout...outh-carolina-high-school-league-01jbfcs0p9ts
