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VMI's Coach Wachenhein video on VA recuits

Attached is a link to VMI's Coach Wachenhein video on recruiting in Virginia first. They got a number of really good recruits in Virginia.

http://www.vmikeydets.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?catid=61812&id=4989716
Optimism is always rampant at this time of year and VMI got some good kids but it still is what it is. VMI rarely wins more than 2 games per year. They can't recruit with the big schools and rarely get early commitments, where as most of the great talents are locked in before their Senior year starts.

The majority of VMI kids are Senior year late bloomers or good players academically ineligible at most schools. The low academic kids rarely last or can't deal with the discipline required at a military school. Late bloomers have often already peaked. That doesn't mean they don't get good kids. They do. They just don't get the talent they need to compete at the level they're at.

Still, a very good school with a number of notable graduates and their alumni association is very strong. Great opportunity for any young man to get a quality education.
 
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Optimism is always rampant at this time of year and VMI got some good kids but it still is what it is. VMI rarely wins more than 2 games per year. They can't recruit with the big schools and rarely get early commitments, where as most of the great talents are locked in before their Senior year starts.

The majority of VMI kids are Senior year late bloomers or good players academically ineligible at most schools. The low academic kids rarely last or can't deal with the discipline required at a military school. Late bloomers have often already peaked. That doesn't mean they don't get good kids. They do. They just don't get the talent they need to compete at the level they're at.

Still, a very good school with a number of notable graduates and their alumni association is very strong. Great opportunity for any young man to get a quality education.
Could you explain what you mean about VMI kids that are "academically ineligible at most schools" further? I agree VMI gets senior year late bloomers but, it is not my perception they are taking many, if any, academic risks, certainly in comparison to "most schools". Balancing academics against the other commitments of a military school is a challenge even for academically qualified kids.
 
Could you explain what you mean about VMI kids that are "academically ineligible at most schools" further? I agree VMI gets senior year late bloomers but, it is not my perception they are taking many, if any, academic risks, certainly in comparison to "most schools". Balancing academics against the other commitments of a military school is a challenge even for academically qualified kids.
Daz Palmer. LT. Ethan Preston JM. Just off the top of my head.
 
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Daz Palmer. LT. Ethan Preston JM. Just off the top of my head.
Do you actually know their academic status? Maybe Devils will chime in on Palmer. Seems to me they are VMI type kids in that they are good athletes whose measurables are not quite FBS or upper tier FCS. Maybe things are changing in Lexington but, in the past VMI, to the best of my knowledge, didn't double down by taking shots on academic question marks and then adding the military rigors on top.
 
I think the Military discipline is expected to help raise the kids feeling of responsibility towards academics.

Fork Union gets lots of these type of kids into their College Prep program. Seniors with next level Skills that need academic help before they can qualify. Actually, Fork Union place more DI kids than any institution in the State. They are very proud that almost 100% of the kids in their program go to some next level school on a football scholarship.

Also, I was wrong about Ethan Preston. His GPA was over 3. Can't confirm Dazmine.
 
Do you actually know their academic status? Maybe Devils will chime in on Palmer. Seems to me they are VMI type kids in that they are good athletes whose measurables are not quite FBS or upper tier FCS. Maybe things are changing in Lexington but, in the past VMI, to the best of my knowledge, didn't double down by taking shots on academic question marks and then adding the military rigors on top.

From my recent experience, VMI's requirements for academics is even higher than most FCS and FBS schools. I know that they have a must higher GPA and SAT scores than the required from the NCAA. Coach Wachenhien's focus is school, service then football for his players. He realizes that this is not an easy school for academics then add all the additional requirements. Also, there are no "easy" degrees.

I just have to respectfully disagree with Shauntclair. I do not think they are taking academically ineligible players. In fact just the opposite. You are not going to go to VMI and just get by.
 
I think the Military discipline is expected to help raise the kids feeling of responsibility towards academics.

Fork Union gets lots of these type of kids into their College Prep program. Seniors with next level Skills that need academic help before they can qualify. Actually, Fork Union place more DI kids than any institution in the State. They are very proud that almost 100% of the kids in their program go to some next level school on a football scholarship.

Also, I was wrong about Ethan Preston. His GPA was over 3. Can't confirm Dazmine.
VMI is not a preparatory school like Fork Union! The only thing they have in common is the military angle, that's where the comparison stops. This is one of those times you should retract your statement, not applicable here.
 
Daz Palmer. LT. Ethan Preston JM. Just off the top of my head.
ANY D1 player must be deemed eligible by the NCAA clearinghouse. They can't play if they don't meet the academic standards period. VMI must abide by those rules too. VMI recruits good players who may not get the FBS recruiter's attention. It has nothing to do with their academics as to why they are not going to an FBS school and attending VMI.
 
ANY D1 player must be deemed eligible by the NCAA clearinghouse. They can't play if they don't meet the academic standards period. VMI must abide by those rules too. VMI recruits good players who may not get the FBS recruiter's attention. It has nothing to do with their academics as to why they are not going to an FBS school and attending VMI.
Any next level player must meet NCAA clearinghouse standards. VMI abides by those rules also. But the average GPA for freshman admitted to VT or UVA is 3.85. Each leaves leeway for Athletics but minimums must still be met, which is why one of the first questions out of a recruiters mouth is "what is his GPA"?

VMI will take kids meeting NCAA Clearinghouse standards, which in my opinion, are barely literate. Again, this doesn't mean they don't get good kids but they will go way lower to get a few good players they think can help them win more than two games a year.
 
VMI is not a preparatory school like Fork Union! The only thing they have in common is the military angle, that's where the comparison stops. This is one of those times you should retract your statement, not applicable here.
No,retraction pending
 
No,retraction pending
Not a surprise really, despite your comparison of VMI to Fork Union Prep. Avg GPA for a VMI entrant 3.5 (Obviously this is an average and doesn't mean each athlete acquired a GPA that high) Avg GPA for a Fork Union Postgraduate probably hovers around a 2.3. The military component is the only point of comparison. Retraction or not Shauntclair, you're just flat out wrong here.

VMI probably hasn't had a winning season in the time I've been watching football (about 30 years) Rather than lowering the bar to get athletes, I'd say VMI's bar is quite high. Along with a strong academic component, entrants must adhere to rigorous discipline, as well as tough preparation for their athletic endeavors. I would think if they were scraping the bottom of the barrell to get athletes their record over the years would have been significantly higher.
 
No,retraction pending
The old adage "when you find yourself in a hole quit digging" applies here, in my opinion. Not sure how the GPA's of admitted freshman is relevant to your original point but, would be happy to entertain your explanation. The FUMA comparison is a nonstarter and erroneous analogy for reasons already pointed out to you. The real point is that VMI does not now and has not ever recruited kids that "would be academically ineligible at most schools" as you originally asserted. By rule that is an impossibility. Furthermore, I believe if you were to compare the academic qualifications of athletes at VMI as a whole with the composite of their counterparts at "most" schools they would stack up comparably, if not favorably. A retraction may or may not be necessary at present, however, it is a certainty that your original assertion/opinion is in need of support before it is possible to conclude that your point could actually be valid.
 
Daz Palmer. LT. Ethan Preston JM. Just off the top of my head.
Dazmine Palmer has a 3.2 GPA and was going to go to JMU until the coaching change. VMI kept recruiting him hard, he liked his visit, he committed. We had 7 Seniors sign on signing day with colleges and all have over a 3.0 GPA. Carney fell a little short and will attend FUMA, but will sign with a big time school after spending some time there.
 
The old adage "when you find yourself in a hole quit digging" applies here, in my opinion. Not sure how the GPA's of admitted freshman is relevant to your original point but, would be happy to entertain your explanation. The FUMA comparison is a nonstarter and erroneous analogy for reasons already pointed out to you. The real point is that VMI does not now and has not ever recruited kids that "would be academically ineligible at most schools" as you originally asserted. By rule that is an impossibility. Furthermore, I believe if you were to compare the academic qualifications of athletes at VMI as a whole with the composite of their counterparts at "most" schools they would stack up comparably, if not favorably. A retraction may or may not be necessary at present, however, it is a certainty that your original assertion/opinion is in need of support before it is possible to conclude that your point could actually be valid.
Alex Ramsey is looking to become the next Spartan to join the Keydets. The decision came down to VMI or Towson. Looks like he wants to join the 4 Spartans from last year: QB Coulling, WR Parker, DE Peregoy, LB Fedison. I'm not sure if Alex would be used at FB or DE.

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/high_...cle_6699da28-9103-5769-b502-f18359f0b901.html

Scroll down to the 2nd story.
 
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The old adage "when you find yourself in a hole quit digging" applies here, in my opinion. Not sure how the GPA's of admitted freshman is relevant to your original point but, would be happy to entertain your explanation. The FUMA comparison is a nonstarter and erroneous analogy for reasons already pointed out to you. The real point is that VMI does not now and has not ever recruited kids that "would be academically ineligible at most schools" as you originally asserted. By rule that is an impossibility. Furthermore, I believe if you were to compare the academic qualifications of athletes at VMI as a whole with the composite of their counterparts at "most" schools they would stack up comparably, if not favorably. A retraction may or may not be necessary at present, however, it is a certainty that your original assertion/opinion is in need of support before it is possible to conclude that your point could actually be valid.
Valid point. Have to be able to document support for an argument at this point. Will do my best to support or debunk. Not afraid of either outcome.
 
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