2A East Regional Brackets - Round 2

[lighthouse52]

Round of 16: Tuesday, February 24
Left bracket:
C34-4 (Amelia) at C33-1 (Bruton) TO BE PLAYED
C36-3 (Wilson Memorial) 47 at C35-2 (Strasburg) 54

C35-4 (Page County) 62 at C36-1 (Robert E. Lee) 49
C33-3 (Maggie Walker) 49 at C34-2 (Prince Edward) 79

Right Bracket:
C33-4 (King William) 46 at C34-1 (Greensville) 70
C35-3 (Luray) 46 at C36-2 (East Rockingham) 57

C36-4 (Riverheads) 47 at C35-1 (George Mason) 54
C34-3 (Brunswick) 72 at C33-2 (Arcadia) 62

Page and Brunswick won over higher seeds but they are still traveling for the next round.


Quarterfinals: TBA
Play at highest seed

Strasburg v. Bruton/Amelia
Page Co. at Prince Edward

East Rockingham at Greensville
Brunswick at George Mason

I have heard several scenarios as to when the games would be played. Max Preps has the Amelia-Bruton game at 1:00 p.m. on Sunday. Quarterfinals would be played on Tuesday, semis on Thursday (site??), and finals on Saturday with state semis the following Monday. That would be crazy. Another person said that the Quarterfinals would be played Sunday which means Amelia-Bruton would play this Saturday.

None of this is official. Our coach had not heard any of this. I wish the VHSL was running this show. There doesn't seem to be a contingency plan even though some of this cannot be anticipated. Mother Nature doesn't recognize any of these options. I pray that safe and rational decisions will be made.

 

[lovemesomeweezy]

Here's the deal---the entire 2A east region bball tournament is on hold until the last 3 qtr final games get played (2 girls games and 1 boys, I believe). Once those games get played the region will schedule accordingly

 

[SgtPeppers]

Brunswick Travel

Lighthouse....quit whining because of your seed and the fact you have to travel. You're not entitled to anything because you are "BRUNSWICK".

 

[lovemesomeweezy]

Re: Brunswick Travel

I apologize as I should have said first round games and not qtr final games. What can the VHSL do that is better than the region is at this point??? Is it fair to let the other games play if they can while other teams wait? That means the teams who haven't played yet will/could play 3 or 4 nights in a row with all the travel? Teams that won first round games are waiting so that means they will play back to back maybe???
Seems to me with each of these games being an elimination game at this point the region is trying it's best to be "fair" to all schools involved.

 

[lighthouse52]

Re: Brunswick Travel

I was simply stating facts, not whining! If I was going to whine, it would be at the Conf 34 reps who canceled our tournament which did not allow all teams like Brunswick to play for a higher seed. But that's the rule and we will have to play our way up. Just because we are "BRUNSWICK" didn't put us in the last eight state tournaments, Just because we are "BRUNSWICK" didn't place the 150+ championship banners in our gym. We earned our way and will continue to do so.

Yes, I do not like the fact that we have five straight long trips - two of 4-5 hours one way, one of 3-4 hours and two of 2-3 hours (assuming that we keep winning, not whining). That is tough on any team (at least four would be on a school night) and was not a possibility under the old system.

I was also expressing the frustration of many fans with the helter-skelter approach to planning these tournaments. The rules should apply state-wide on the weight of the district tournament, tournament qualification, seeding, make-ups and sites, not leaving the decisions up to each district, conference and region. VHSL (which is governed by school reps) should look at all the plans, discuss the pros and cons, get a consensus and then every team should play and be judged by the same rules.

No, I was not whining, just printing the schedule for everyone to see and making an observation that two lower-seeds advanced but it didn't affect the home sites. If we lose on one of these long trips, you might see me whine a bit (you'll know it when I do it).

I bleed blue! Go Brunswick!

 

[SgtPeppers]

Re: Brunswick Travel


I admire your loyalty.

 

[??Really??]

Re: Brunswick Travel

I can see a little of the whining. "Page and Brunswick have to travel after beating higher seeds" ... so what? the higher seed won so you have to travel to them. Page is a 4 seed. Guarantee you they aint whining about having to go on the road. Brunswick is a 3 seed and beat the 2 seed. The one seed won. How is that unfair that Brunswick has to travel to the one seed??

You could be John Marshall in 3A and already be DONE in your CONFERENCE because you played a hell of a schedule and ended up the 3 seed and lost to 2 seed George Wythe.

 

[jackeh25]

Re: Brunswick Travel

A couple points need to me made.

1. Talk to your own A.D. who had one of the final decisions in canceling conference 34 tournament.

2. "Five straight long trips." You had Arcadia in the first round and George Mason in the quarterfinals. You have to get by George Mason before you start talking about semi-finals, which will no longer be at Hanover. But you already know that, since you have all the details for everything else. Coaches/A.D.s/Admin complained that a lot of the times the finals were a blow out, and that the two best teams were from the same region/district. So they changed the format to give two teams from the same district to play for a state championship. In order to make those changes teams were required to travel longer in rounds leading up to the final round. Solution - finish as a #1 seed and you don't have to worry about that.

3. Don't get upset with the "approach to planning these tournaments. The rules should apply state-wide on the weight of district, tournament qualifications, seeding, make-ups and sites, not leaving the decision up to each district, conference and region. VHSL (which is governed by school reps) should look at all the plans, discuss the pros and cons, get a consensus and then every team should play and be judged by the same rules." Get with your A.D. who is a conference director along with Greensville's A.D., so they can start with the applying those ideas in the conference. Then they can share their opinions at the regional meetings and state meetings.

4. What would the lower seed winning have to do with the change of the home site? It is known that the first round and quarterfinals are held at the higher seed. In order to avoid traveling, then a team needs to be a #1 seed. Brunswick lost in their "playoff game/one game district tournament, so they got bumped down to the #3 seed in the conference. Conference tournament was not played, so revert back to point 1. Be thankful Brunswick is in the playoffs, and did not have to play a tough & hungry Nottoway squad.
Scenario: Brunswick '12-'13 is 23-2 with a #1 seed. They win in the first round of the regional tournament, but hypothetically speaking Park View was the (lower seed) and beat Greensville (higher seed). Should Brunswick have to travel to Park View? Absolutely not, since Brunswick is the #1 seed.

 

[lighthouse52]

Re: Brunswick Travel

I didn't intend to start this lengthy conversation but I will make these points:

1. My reference to two lower seeds winning but no change in home site was in response to the possibility that Riverheads could beat Mason (they only lost by 7 points to a great Mason team). Since they are a #4 seed, we would host the quarterfinal game between #4 Riverheads and #3 Brunswick. I was simply referring to the fact that we didn't see major upsets in the Round of 16 (I've been told that the Page win over #1 Lee was not an upset). As long as the #1 seeds win, they will host the first two rounds. And you are correct: we do not know where the semifinals or finals will be played on Thursday and Friday night. Maybe they will bring them to Brunswick and I will stop whining.

2. I think there should be some revisions in the conference and regional seeding formats. I personally believe that, if you're going to keep conference play, send the top two teams from a four-team playoff in each conference to the regionals for an eight-team tournament. Keep the two state qualifiers from each region. You mentioned blow-out in the finals: just look at the 30-point wins in the current set-up of sending every team to conference play. That adds two rounds which further complicates scheduling with inclement weather changes and increases the number of long trips.

3. If you accepted this format, seeding and the role of optional district tournaments would need to be consistent at all levels. That would be much fairer than the current system. When you have different conferences represented in the same district, you can expect unfair situations to arise from a policy standpoint.

4. Yes, I intend to talk with Brunswick officials. I have already expressed my concern to the VHSL and will in writing. We are not being fair to force kids to lose that much classroom time in such a small window (IF we continue to win, we will play five straight games of 2+ hours travel with two of them being 4+ hours - depending on the Thursday and Friday sites). That was simply expressing a concern. This concern would apply to all #3 and #4 seeds unless the teams above them are upset. I recognize that beating Greensville in the one-game district tournament would have given us the #1 seed and we wouldn't be having this discussion. We are still in mourning.

5. Yes, I am thankful the we are still in the tournament. We have to face a tough team in Mason after a four-hour+ drive, depending on NVA traffic. If we are fortunate to win, we may have to make another long drive to play Greensville (15 miles apart) for Round #4. Rent the Richmond Coliseum and make some real money.

6. Finally, please forgive our concern. We have been the #1 seed for the past 9 years so we are in foreign territory.

 

[lovemesomeweezy]

Re: Brunswick Travel

The VHSL has/will not tell each conference how to seed/send teams to regional/state tournaments. They provide windows with timelines for each Conference and Region to have their tournaments completed. It is up to each Conference to determine who goes and what seed they are-----------seems to me the problems that you have are within your own conference with the the tournament being cancelled. However--you did have the opportunity to improve your seed......So can't complain there.

The brackets will and always be predetermined and it rotates every single year within all the conferences on who will play who based off of 1-4 seeding in each. Round 1 will be local vs. Conference close to you then travel plays a factor............This didn't seem to be a problem last year when Brunswick was the 1 seed in both boys and girls. Didn't hear a peep about teams having to travel or miss class time.

Bottom line is that the one "entity" who is undefeated is mother nature and she won this winter in regards to many conference tournaments. I don't have a dog in the fight but if Brunswick were to win a state title this year I'm sure all will be forgiven.

Good luck to all still playing

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Re: Brunswick Travel


True, the VHSL will not tell conferences how to run their tournaments, but they should. The formats should be the same for EVERY conference. It's totally stupid for VHSL to delegate so much stuff down to conferences.

 

[SgtPeppers]

Conference Power

The Conferences should not determine seeds, nor who goes. VHSL needs to have a consistent format for each region. Conferences calling the shots opens the door for politics and favoritism. Case in point. The Tri-Rivers district this year deciding to call their playoff game to decide the regular season champion...."a Tournament". in order for one of their teams to avoid getting left out of a higher seed. One team in the conference, from the James River District, had met the qualifications by winning the regular season and a "real" district tournament. The Tri-Rivers not having planned on a postseason district tournament realized their mistake and made something up.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Re: Conference Power


With the ultimate goal being a state championship, it only makes sense that everyone in the state should play by the same rules.
I cannot understand why the VHSL cannot see this. If they ate too many prunes, they would delegate someone to go to restroom for them if they could. All 300+ schools should be on same page.

 

[dwcherb]

Re: Brunswick Travel

I totally agree on the VHSL having same requirements/rules for all districts, conferences,regions...to let Joe do his own thing and let Pete do his own thing, and then later tell Pete and Joe, they have to play be same rules is sorta hypocritcal to me...the ultimate goal is chance to play in state tournament and as such every team should have the same rules...maybe having two divisions in each classification isn't such a great idea after all???