3A All state Selections!

[LowRider635]

http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/fb-2015-3A-all-state-team1.pdf

I wont all you football fans that follow the 3A conference, to give me your honest opinion on these selections! I will comment later after I get your honest opinions!

 

[ridge98]

http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/fb-2015-3A-all-state-team1.pdf

I wont all you football fans that follow the 3A conference, to give me your honest opinion on these selections! I will comment later after I get your honest opinions!

They are a joke!!!!!!!

You have 2 kids from a state championship team on there... Shoalin Mcguire didnt even make the 2nd team..Give me a break.. He has 2 state rings. No knock on basham, because he is an excellent player, but player of the year.. Whoever does this, they dont have a clue.. The fans in the stands every friday night would be better at voting than this.

 

[cavaliers74]

This is a joke!!!!! Tell me this is not the real list. How in the world do you win State and only get 2 players on this list. The way Magna Vista's defense played only Redd made it. Get out of here lol Shoalin is the best QB in 3A and he didn't make anything. MV's QB or RB should have been Player of the Year

 

[ridge98]

This is a joke!!!!! Tell me this is not the real list. How in the world do you win State and only get 2 players on this list. The way Magna Vista's defense played only Redd made it. Get out of here lol Shoalin is the best QB in 3A and he didn't make anything. MV's QB or RB should have been Player of the Year

Jaq had over 1000 yrds rushing in 5 games in the playoffs, with 352 coming in the state title game. Plus he had yrds receiving, and I think he even had some turnovers playing defense. He should have been POY.. Just my opinion.

 

[LowRider635]

The selection of players are not bad by any means, but you disrespected the entire Warrior football team by only selecting 2 players! You have the 2 time state champs (back-2-back) that had to prove a point all threw the playoffs, by dominating each team they faced! They shut down 2 of the best running backs from Staunton River and Lord Botetourt and still get no love. Offense put up great numbers every game and the warriors offensive caption didn't even get 2nd team, SMH! They travel 4 1/2 hours to the 757 and made a statement, when they where told that Phoebus was going to win it all! You have got to be kidding me! VHSL needs to take a look at the selection board and replace them all.There is something really wrong with this picture, you totally disrespected the entire coaching staff/players by saying that you only had 2 good players on your team that made state selection. Jac and Tra are outstanding athletes, I hope that they have great college careers after high school football! But football is a team sport and those young men played as a team, so why not give credit where its due!

 

[ShadesMcgrades]

Wow what a joke, these people selecting this are a joke, I wished this was a joke, final opinion JOKE

 

[mvfan1]

How do you not put the QB of a team that had well over 7000 yards of offense this year on this list? Do they just draw names out a hat?

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

The MV QB should have been first team. I not know stats of the first team QB, but stats do not always tell the whole story. The MV QB lead his team to state championship and put up good numbers in process.

This all state team should be declared null and void.

 

[ShadesMcgrades]

10 players off of hopewells team
7 off Phoebus

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Who voted on this all state team ?

 

[shauntclair]

Who voted on this all state team ?

Coach's vote for All State and only 1st team All Region players are eligible (also voted by Coach's). It has been this way for a very long time.

 

[LowRider635]

Coach's vote for All State and only 1st team All Region players are eligible (also voted by Coach's). It has been this way for a very long time.

Did any of the Magna Vista coaches vote?

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

One would think that in the year 2015, there would be a good way to select all state team.

Post season voting for high school teams has more politics than the General Assembly in Richmond.
Ethics are not part of post season voting in many cases. This applies to most all sports.

 

[ShadesMcgrades]

Like my buddy just told me, MV is a TEAM first, they can have all this other stuff, we rather have the rings baby!!

 

[gdog4882]

Magna Vista Warriors Back to Back State Champions, so take that mess and throw it out the door.......no respect!!!!!!!

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

A ring tops everything.

 

[VolNation85]

Just to offer a little clarity on the selection process for all state teams...as @shauntclair stated, only first team all region selections are eligible for all state recommendations. So if a player does not make 1st team All-region, his coach can't even recommend them. Notice the word recommendations, any coach (head or assistant) may "attend" the selection meeting and recommend a player but the voting membership of the committe will consist of four pre-designated coaches from the region hosting that year. 3A west "hosted" the meeting this year so the 4 coaches that decided were from 3A West. Next, notice the quotes around "attend" and "host". I use those words lightly because these selection meetings do not have to meet in person. They can choose to hold the meeting electronically by simply submitting a recommendation form online. Which means that it is possible that the 4 coaches that vote have never heard of some of the players being recommended, let alone have they seen them play. Also, players may only be considered for All-state selection at the position they were recommended by the region. Lastly, these meetings are held 2 weeks BEFORE the state championship games so, performance from the semifinals and championship games are not taken into account.

 

[DinwiddieProud]

A suggestion. Take this VHSL selection for what it is.

Wait until Va Preps post their All State selections. The Va Preps staff are unencumbered by politics, favoritism, and deal making. You may disagree with a few of their selections, but they have defensible arguments and will openly share their methodology.

To me, their All State selections are the only ones that I give any credence to.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

The selection process as described by Volnation should be changed. That is a very poor way of doing it.

 

[pit1fan]

How does va preps select there all-state?

 

[DinwiddieProud]

Rod, Matt, Danny, and others on the staff discuss, argue, and decide on the selections, and the Rod gets his way! Just kidding about the last part.

Rod, can you enlighten us with a few more details please?

Again, with respect to the VP selections, you may have reasons to argue that a player should be first team versus second team, but what you won't see is some young man given an honor that there is no substantiation for.

 

[VolNation85]

The selection process as described by Volnation should be changed. That is a very poor way of doing it.

I agree, it should be changed. I don't know what the solution is but it is awful the way it is now.

 

[pit1fan]

Rod, Matt, Danny, and others on the staff discuss, argue, and decide on the selections, and the Rod gets his way! Just kidding about the last part.

Rod, can you enlighten us with a few more details please?

Again, with respect to the VP selections, you may have reasons to argue that a player should be first team versus second team, but what you won't see is some young man given an honor that there is no substantiation for.

Got it, thank you for the reply sir

 

[VaPrepsRod]

Rod, Matt, Danny, and others on the staff discuss, argue, and decide on the selections, and the Rod gets his way! Just kidding about the last part.

Rod, can you enlighten us with a few more details please?

Again, with respect to the VP selections, you may have reasons to argue that a player should be first team versus second team, but what you won't see is some young man given an honor that there is no substantiation for.

It's a combination of staff discussion, reviewing stats (primarily big game numbers) and calls to trusted coaches and other sources willing to speak to us without attempting to push players from their respective teams.

More than anything, we pride ourselves on not overloading teams as we'll have eleven offensive players + one all-purpose guy, eleven defensive + one all-purpose guy, four specialists (K, P, KR and PR) and no one gets more than one spot. That forces us to ask some really tough questions and to really fight for the top guys.

 

[shauntclair]

The selection process as described by Volnation should be changed. That is a very poor way of doing it.

You've been here for years. I'm certain you already know how this all works and how long it has worked in this fashion. Why are you posting this as though it is all new to you?

 

[pulltheguard]

East: 1st / 2nd Teams
Hopewell - 10
Phoebus - 7
James Monroe - 5
Poquoson - 3

West: 1st / 2nd Teams
Lord Botetourt - 5
Abingdon - 4
Brookville - 3
Northside - 3 (Including POY)
Magna Vista - 2 (2x State Champion)

Sorry this does not add up right to me...To many politics, to much bias...

 

[lancerfirst]

Wow! This isn't surprising to me. MV never gets any respect no matter what they do. And the individuals who make these selections base their selections on personal reasons. They are suppose to be objective and impartial because they are selecting kids not adults but kids. But as the bible states What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? So, to the MV players, MV coaches, and to my fellow MV community we don't need to worry about a thing because this selection process required them to select players from various teams that they felt were the best in their position. We understand and know that it wasn't a fair selection process but MV's offense and defense has too many great players to be included in this senseless selection. Therefore, because we have 2 back to back championships to prove our greatness the MVHS Football team of Ridgeway, VA that represents the 276 in Henry County, VA that is known all over the Commonwealth now just started another 3A All State Team that only includes the 60+ players on their roster. Congrats MV, our rings will let the entire Commonwealth know who the best is. We got the team of year and the coach of the year and we don't need a bunch of individual accolades to show who the true WARRIORS are.

GO WARRIORS!!!!

 

[Hoosdefense]

I'd be curious to see what the conference teams look like. Only first team conference selections can be considered for serious Regional consideration. Also would like to see the Regional teams because only first team regional will get serious consideration for the state teams.

I don't know how much bias was really in play here, rather it might be an antiquidated system that is unduly restrictive to the 'team" concept of greatness. Kids can't be considered for all state if they don't first make all conference & region and this limits how many kids actually make the state team from the state champions and other teams. Plus with Conference selections taking place during the early stages of the playoffs its hard to "reward" the teams that advance to the title game because there are many deserving teams. Again, I don't know the traditional "politicing" in that part of the state but as great as MV was this year, they were still a 4 seed when this whole process started and I'm pretty sure that during the conference and regional meeting there were quite a few teams that could make compelling arguments as to why there guys were deserving. I agree with most of you that are posting that Hairston and MacGuire are stellar players, they knocked us out of the playoffs last year and I can only imagine how much they improved in their senior years, but there are other "great players" throughout the state and this process isn't designed to recognize great team....its designed to recognize great players.

Not trying to pit kid v. kid here, my thoughts are about the system in place. Just my two cents...from a coach who has experienced this system for the past 20 years.

 

[ShadesMcgrades]

@Hoosdefense Hopewell had 10 players and Phoebus 7 total 17 players on those 2 teams, MV got a majority of there 2014 state champion team back this year and only 2 players make it on 1st and 2nd team combined. Whatever you just said about" its designed to recognize great players"is ridiculous, if that's the case Hopewell and Phoebus would've went undefeated and seen each other in state game.

 

[Hoosdefense]

@Hoosdefense Hopewell had 10 players and Phoebus 7 total 17 players on those 2 teams, MV got a majority of there 2014 state champion team back this year and only 2 players make it on 1st and 2nd team combined. Whatever you just said about" its designed to recognize great players"is ridiculous, if that's the case Hopewell and Phoebus would've went undefeated and seen each other in state game.

Shades, I hear what you are saying...all I am saying is that it isnt possible to recognize all of the players on MV that early in the playoff process because at the Conference meetings no one knows who will be in the finals. When the coaches from the conference meet they look to get all of the quality kids recognized at some level. This is what i was trying to explain (apparently not well). This system as is can't recognize the team because it isnt designed to recognize the team. If you feel that more of MV's kids should have been on the all State team because they won the title then we should have a system that waits until all of the games are over before we start picking Conference, Regional, and State teams. Its the only way to recognize the totality of a team. We don't do that in this state. All I am saying is that before we start crying politics and "teams getting screwed over" we need to understand the system that we have and how it works.

Are there politics involved, most likely. Is it to the level that screws teams over, I don't think so....but If people think so then the problem is with the teams in your conference because thats where this process starts.
Do I think we need a different system... yes I do. Do I think MV is a great football team..yes I do. Do I think they were politiced or screwed over... I don't know, because I wasn't in your conference meeting. Ask your coaches. I don't recal hearing any complaints or griping from MV people when All Conference teams were announced.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Anyone who has "sit in" on post season meetings, knows how crooked/unethical the voting is. I have seen it, and been told by others who have seen it.

 

[salem football]

@Hoosdefense Hopewell had 10 players and Phoebus 7 total 17 players on those 2 teams, MV got a majority of there 2014 state champion team back this year and only 2 players make it on 1st and 2nd team combined. Whatever you just said about" its designed to recognize great players"is ridiculous, if that's the case Hopewell and Phoebus would've went undefeated and seen each other in state game.

We know how you feel. Alex Ramsey got no mention on the All-State team???????

 

[ridge98]

Shades, I hear what you are saying...all I am saying is that it isnt possible to recognize all of the players on MV that early in the playoff process because at the Conference meetings no one knows who will be in the finals. When the coaches from the conference meet they look to get all of the quality kids recognized at some level. This is what i was trying to explain (apparently not well). This system as is can't recognize the team because it isnt designed to recognize the team. If you feel that more of MV's kids should have been on the all State team because they won the title then we should have a system that waits until all of the games are over before we start picking Conference, Regional, and State teams. Its the only way to recognize the totality of a team. We don't do that in this state. All I am saying is that before we start crying politics and "teams getting screwed over" we need to understand the system that we have and how it works.

Are there politics involved, most likely. Is it to the level that screws teams over, I don't think so....but If people think so then the problem is with the teams in your conference because thats where this process starts.
Do I think we need a different system... yes I do. Do I think MV is a great football team..yes I do. Do I think they were politiced or screwed over... I don't know, because I wasn't in your conference meeting. Ask your coaches. I don't recal hearing any complaints or griping from MV people when All Conference teams were announced.

Where is the all conference teams? the only one ive seen is all state..

 

[shauntclair]

Anyone who has "sit in" on post season meetings, knows how crooked/unethical the voting is. I have seen it, and been told by others who have seen it.

Yet you've posted how you can't understand how it all works? Step back. I like you HR6. I don't like this.

 

[LowRider635]

This is what I was told by a coach that coaches at Magna Vista who has had this same problem before!
"It is all politics! Each coach from each playoff team meet and you nominate your players n give your stats of each player you nominate and after each coach talks about their players nominated they each get to vote. What hurts us so bad is we are the only one from our district and Magna Vista's coach has no friends to help vote with him. It is really bad that it is done this way because if you are buddy buddy with 3-4 of the other coaches they get together and vote their players in. I have dealt with this problem in softball for the last two years since they changed our conferences. I have suggested they put each players stats out there with no name or from what school they are from and you vote on the stats n then match the name with the correct stats! It is crazy how those Roanoke schools stick together and vote for each other! Keeping the football stats I know we had some of the best stats in the state n best kids on and off the field! It truly is disheartening!"

 

[mvfan1]

This is what I was told by a coach that coaches at Magna Vista who had had this same problem before!
"It is all politics! Each coach from each playoff team meet and you nominate your players n give your stats of each player you nominate and after each coach talks about their players nominated they each get to vote. What hurts us so bad is we are the only one from our district and Magna Vista's coach has no friends to help vote with him. It is really bad that it is done this way because if you are buddy buddy with 3-4 of the other coaches they get together and vote their players in. I have dealt with this problem in softball for the last two years since they changed our conferences. I have suggested they put each players stats out there with no name or from what school they are from and you vote on the stats n then match the name with the correct stats! It is crazy how those Roanoke schools stick together and vote for each other! Keeping the football stats I know we had some of the best stats in the state n best kids on and off the field! It truly is disheartening!"

That is truly a shame if this is how it goes down. I agree that they should anonymize the stats and see who is truly the best players at each position. That seems to be the only fair way to choose this.

 

[BleedingNavy]

We know how you feel. Alex Ramsey got no mention on the All-State team???????

I understand everyones frustration, but unfortunately this is the system in place at this time.

Hoosdefense has made two fantastic post and it seems to be falling on deaf ears.

1. If a player doesnt make first team all conference he is not making all region.

2. If a player does not make 1st team all region he is not making all state.

Basically there are two all region first teams (east and west). The players are combined and voted on by representatives from each region. POY from the conferences and regions get the first look and deservedly so.

If there is a beef here it should be taken up with your coach or conference. The region and states basically follow their lead. Is there politics involved? Yes, but i have said before a coach cannot get greedy with his nominations, because his own players split votes. Salemfootball, Claiborne was Mags rb choice and defensively the Ramseys and the other Salem defensive end split the votes.

Hope this helps.

 

[DanvilleSportsHead]

Y'all think MV got slighted on the All State votes? The coaches in the Piedmont District thought the same as the committee voting for All State. GW Danville had 9 players on offense and 9 on defense representing them for the all Piedmont District team which only has first team (no second or honorable mentions). Wow!

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

There needs to be a better way. I do not know what that is, but I believe it's out there someplace. The first step "may" be to drop the all conference/all region requirement to make all state. Reason being, a player can get shafted very early in post season voting, and he's eliminated. Politics/unethical voting starts at the lowest level of voting, and continues.

I recall when there was an AP All State Team. The AP had no all district/region teams to influence their voting. The AP team was almost always better than the coaches all state team.

 

[shauntclair]

This is different year. Same story. And I'm tired.

No player here does not deserve their place! They're good and Among the best.

Wish them Congrats and move on. As far as VAPreps team goes, it will be a better representation but it will also be not that far removed from the VHSL All-State.

It is a recognition but earns nothing for anyone. Oh wait! That plaque does cover a hole in my wall.