Another Day....Another Coaching Complaint

[GatorBait1988]

Who's next in line to crucify their coach/staff?

GW and PM have already blasted theirs, who's next!?

Grow up....this is why we live in a society that when something gets tough and some 16 year old kid doesn't agree with something or something isn't going his/her way, they quit, they blame, they cry, they complain, they disconnect with the situation and place blame.

Ban together, watch film, figure out the problems, adjust, and get better....AS A TEAM!

Good luck to everyone preparing the correct way for Week 4!

 

[CallMeCoach19]

While I agree with you, let me start with saying GW's Blaster has been consistent and frequent in his displeasure with the coaching staff in Wytheville, so he gets a bit of a pass here.
That said, would this most recent posting of calls to fire/crucify/castrate the coaching staff really be erupting if they hadn't dropped two straight? Say what you will, but that was what this is about. Does he have the players respect? May not. Does he make great in-game calls? Maybe not. But that was overlooked while they were still winning.

 

[GatorBait1988]

I posted something last year when Blaster kept calling out the staff....and they were winning then.

I actually don't mind 99% of what Blaster says. I don't mind questioning the coaching....from time to time. But it seems like when a game is close or GW loses....it has to be the coaching. I mean it CANNOT be the players, ever. Kids are kids, they make ridiculous errors, stupid plays, miss assignments, blow coverages, miss blocks, etc.. things happen. But I just hate to hear "coaching is the problem" every single time the score isn't 49-0. It gets old.

Also it's a very back handed compliment to the other team. Almost saying..."If we had a coach who knew what he was doing, we wouldn't have lost or the game wouldn't have been close." Very demeaning, whether you intend it to be or not.

It's like when McGregor was blown out of the water and he says backstage "Floyd's skills weren't that good, he was just composed." No.....he beat you like you stole something, he hit you at will, and you have zero power in the boxing ring.

Again....I just don't like the constant belittling of the staff at every turn. Sometimes it's about the Jimmy's and the Joe's and not about the X's and O's.

 

[Twobyfour]

What gets old is constantly complaining about it to the wrong people. Go to the AD, principal, supe, or school board. And constantly putting your team on a pedastal does nothing but put a bulls eye on your team. Im sure blaster will say he could care less, but why add unnecessary pressure to a group of young kids. Ive been around football well over 35 years, and I can tell you one thing that hardly ever happens. Coaches will very rarely if ever change what they do or how they do it, at any level. The coach at PM aint gonna change what there doin and neithef is the one at GW. So, if you didnt like the way they did things before they got there then you should have stopped it then

 

[NND Sports Fan]

I was very surprised last season to discover that a couple posters here who seem to whine and complain were actually adults and not kids. Their posts sure seemed to be kid-like. Like 2X4 says, nothing will get resolved here and if you have a gripe take it to the people who can address it. As a matter of fact, when I see some particular posters are participating in a thread I don't even bother to click on it.

 

[G MASTER BLASTER W]

I posted something last year when Blaster kept calling out the staff....and they were winning then.

I actually don't mind 99% of what Blaster says. I don't mind questioning the coaching....from time to time. But it seems like when a game is close or GW loses....it has to be the coaching. I mean it CANNOT be the players, ever. Kids are kids, they make ridiculous errors, stupid plays, miss assignments, blow coverages, miss blocks, etc.. things happen. But I just hate to hear "coaching is the problem" every single time the score isn't 49-0. It gets old.

Also it's a very back handed compliment to the other team. Almost saying..."If we had a coach who knew what he was doing, we wouldn't have lost or the game wouldn't have been close." Very demeaning, whether you intend it to be or not.

It's like when McGregor was blown out of the water and he says backstage "Floyd's skills weren't that good, he was just composed." No.....he beat you like you stole something, he hit you at will, and you have zero power in the boxing ring.

Again....I just don't like the constant belittling of the staff at every turn. Sometimes it's about the Jimmy's and the Joe's and not about the X's and O's.

I agree man sometimes it's is the Jimmy's amd Joe's no doubt. I've called out GWs DBs many times. But I've been the one constant for 3 years now that our coaching is the problem. Coach P, H.S and Wheeler took teams to state all in year 3. This fool had almost as much talent as any of them and failed. I wouldn't have a problem one with him if I didn't have multiple kids a week telling what he is like. And multiple kids saying they hate the way he acts and does things. I mean come on how many other coaches get into fights with another coach on their own staff? And that all happened because the other coach told him he was wrong about something! I can promise you I'm not the only one in this town who has a serious problem with him. I'm just willing to take my lumps for voicing my opinion. And now others are to thankfully. I trust me many people have gone to the ones who pull the strings to have him removed. But as it's been said at GW it has ALOT to do with who you are and what you have. That applies to who plays and who stays. Always has been that way at GW always will be money really really really talks ons the hill folks. GW will not and I mean will not get back to its full ablity to succeed until he is gone. And trust me no matter how much he has won all it will take is one really pissed parent or 1 bad season.

 

[southwestrocks]

Who's next in line to crucify their coach/staff?

GW and PM have already blasted theirs, who's next!?

Grow up....this is why we live in a society that when something gets tough and some 16 year old kid doesn't agree with something or something isn't going his/her way, they quit, they blame, they cry, they complain, they disconnect with the situation and place blame.

Ban together, watch film, figure out the problems, adjust, and get better....AS A TEAM!

Good luck to everyone preparing the correct way for Week 4!

Well said

 

[Maroons67]

I agree man sometimes it's is the Jimmy's amd Joe's no doubt. I've called out GWs DBs many times. But I've been the one constant for 3 years now that our coaching is the problem. Coach P, H.S and Wheeler took teams to state all in year 3. This fool had almost as much talent as any of them and failed. I wouldn't have a problem one with him if I didn't have multiple kids a week telling what he is like. And multiple kids saying they hate the way he acts and does things. I mean come on how many other coaches get into fights with another coach on their own staff? And that all happened because the other coach told him he was wrong about something! I can promise you I'm not the only one in this town who has a serious problem with him. I'm just willing to take my lumps for voicing my opinion. And now others are to thankfully. I trust me many people have gone to the ones who pull the strings to have him removed. But as it's been said at GW it has ALOT to do with who you are and what you have. That applies to who plays and who stays. Always has been that way at GW always will be money really really really talks ons the hill folks. GW will not and I mean will not get back to its full ablity to succeed until he is gone. And trust me no matter how much he has won all it will take is one really pissed parent or 1 bad season.

You guys always talk about kids playing because of who they are or what their last name is. I have been around for more years than most on hear that posts about GW. I do know that when Russell was here that he was influenced by a few parents; but, I do not think that what you say about money and the last name has anything to do with who plays.
A coach is going to play the best athlete at the position on the field. I do agree that there have been an instance or two that has not always been straight forward; but not very many. I do think that we could and should have a better coach that has communication skills.

 

[G MASTER BLASTER W]

You guys always talk about kids playing because of who they are or what their last name is. I have been around for more years than most on hear that posts about GW. I do know that when Russell was here that he was influenced by a few parents; but, I do not think that what you say about money and the last name has anything to do with who plays.
A coach is going to play the best athlete at the position on the field. I do agree that there have been an instance or two that has not always been straight forward; but not very many. I do think that we could and should have a better coach that has communication skills.

The reason I'm so dead set on it is when I played and a few years before it ran rampant. Not saying that kids who had talent didn't play cause they for sure did. But a name and a dollar definitely helped alot. And I hear the same from parents of kids and kids who are on the field every week as starters. Idk we just need to get all of this figured out. If Harner is the coach they are set on fine. But he needs to set down with his kids and get on the same page. Yes a coach and the kids won't always see eye to eye but it is so much more than that. These kids say he has no clue and treats 99% of them like crap.

 

[honestjohn60]

I'm just amazed by all this crap. Go apply for the job.

 

[MT FAN 91]

Maybe the kid with a certain last name or the kids who's parents have money are just good enough to play and it has nothing to do with who they are. I know their are a lot of parents out there who think their kids are the best and should be playing over others but they think because a kids last name or their parents money has them playing over their kids. Sometimes the other kids are just better and deserve their spots. Not saying that's the case at GW but it could be at times.

 

[riversportsfan]

Stop giving these kids an ear to complain to. If the coach isn't committing any crimes, tell them to suck it up and play harder. The more you take their side and baby them, the more they will whine and complain like babies. If any of them have any ambition to play after high school, I am sure they will run into a coach or two who won't be the nicest or the best coach. And all they care about is winning. I am sure Blaster all you want is for these kids to have the best high school experience possible, but your connection to these kids may be hindering their ability of growing into men. Good Luck to GW this year, and I got a feeling yall will still make some noise.

 

[obguthr]

Influential parents get their kids priority in all sports in all schools. This isn't unique to GW. It happens everywhere.

 

[Scagmowers]

A good chef can take less and still make a good dish.A bad chef can take more and still have bad dish, but always blame kids and parents is not always the problem. Just my opinion. It's a team game and coach,players have to have some unity to be successful.

 

[Xcross]

Influential parents get their kids priority in all sports in all schools. This isn't unique to GW. It happens everywhere.

I will disagree with part of your statement ! Not all sports in all schools .

 

[Baseball215]

I'm glad I get watch Riverheads play ,all the years I have watched Coach Casto don't think I ever seen him make political coaching decision as far as who plays I would say he plays the best player for the position.

 

[CallMeCoach19]

This is a problem in many sports in many schools; however, sometimes the wealthy kids are better. In basketball, volleyball, softball, baseball, and soccer those are the players who attend the best camps and play on the best travel teams. They are more experienced in the game than the kid who plays sandlot...not better... more experienced. So many times those are your starters (they don't get rattled). Now there are plenty of examples to go against that assessment, but the majority of the time it is the case. That is one reason why I still say wrestling is the best sport for young men and women to get into (Not the only reason). Money doesn't matter, parents don't matter, equipment doesn't matter; you just have to have strength and will.

 

[bulldog1150]

This is a problem in many sports in many schools; however, sometimes the wealthy kids are better. In basketball, volleyball, softball, baseball, and soccer those are the players who attend the best camps and play on the best travel teams. They are more experienced in the game than the kid who plays sandlot...not better... more experienced. So many times those are your starters (they don't get rattled). Now there are plenty of examples to go against that assessment, but the majority of the time it is the case. That is one reason why I still say wrestling is the best sport for young men and women to get into (Not the only reason). Money doesn't matter, parents don't matter, equipment doesn't matter; you just have to have strength and will.

I wholeheartedly agree on wrestling. There is no one to blame it on once you are on that mat. Track is another one. But frankly, these are loosely considered team sports in my mind. There is a team component, but it is more individual in my mind.

 

[GatorBait1988]

If you don't think money matters in wrestling, I will have to end the conversation. While "will" matters, so does wrestling against the top kids EVERY day, where do you obtain that at? The top wrestling clubs. 20-40 years ago Clubs weren't around, so, yes, Dan Gable could go wrestle in his gym at home and do his own thing, unfortunately that's not how it works today. Kids are leaving high school early and don't enroll in college until 19 (because of the OTC, see Kyle Snyder), how was Snyder able to accomplish that? It wasn't just "will", he was able to attend the best camps, his family was able to pay for him to wrestle at Fargo, and wrestle in a top notch club, EVERY DAY. He deserves everything he's ever received, but to believe money doesn't play an aspect in wrestling is just idiotic.

As you can tell.....wrestling is what I'm REALLY passionate about!

 

[CallMeCoach19]

As a former wrestling coach, I can safely say my assessment is not idiotic (Go F yourself). Again, I said there are plenty of non-examples, but the majority of the time money is not a factor. Two of our clubs in the area (Christiansburg and Grundy) don't let money play a factor. If the kid proves he is committed and willing to learn, they work with that kids situation. But to counter you example, look to Rural Retreat. You won't find a ton of money there.

 

[GatorBait1988]

You are picking out schools that have singular success against other schools with VERY little wrestling pedigree. Let's use Christiansburg and Grundy for example. What pushed them "over the top" and put them on a National Stage (well C-Burg, Grundy hasn't every been a national power)? The introduction of a Division 1 caliber coach and athletic booster club backing to attend huge tournaments on the east coast (Beast of the East, Ironman, etc..), they are a flyer...that doesn't happen very often. Dresser also coached at Grundy and was just light years ahead of every coach in VA for what works and what doesn't in the wrestling arena. Kudos to his Grundy teams, but his C-Burg teams were much...MUCH better.

Look at Blair Academy, Apple Valley, St. Edward, Wyoming Seminary, and Southeast Polk. What do all of these have in common? Unreal coaching staffs and financial backing to attend the best camps, national events, and every kid is apart of a dominant wrestling club. The kids that get invited to these schools are kids who are able to attend those events, those events cost money, therefore, in my opinion, money plays a huge factor in wrestling.

Look at Nittany Lion Wrestling Club, they spend 5x more money on their club than the 2nd highest team does (Hawkeye Wrestling Club)....evident with their success both in the freestyle realm and the college level.

I didn't mean to offend you, I am sure you can point to singular kids/schools in VA (A State with very little wrestling tradition) and say, money doesn't matter, but in the grand scheme of it.....it does.....a lot.

 

[bulldog1150]

Obviously you guys are much more informed than most of us when it comes to wrestling.

I think the original point of the wrestling comment was that there are no excuses or anyone to blame on a wrestling mat. Once you get in that circle, you are on your own and there isn't any finger pointing at coaches, teammates, boosters, etc.

I think we can all agree that those with means often times, get better instruction or experiences. But some sports are less "arguable" and "blamable" when it comes to coaching or outside influences that don't have anything to do with the kids.

 

[eh31]

Speaking of wrestling - I don't know how the state tournament I set up in Virginia.. is it like other sports 1A-6A? Grundy drops to single A this year, is there any 1A teams that could compete with them?

 

[GatorBait1988]

Speaking of wrestling - I don't know how the state tournament I set up in Virginia.. is it like other sports 1A-6A? Grundy drops to single A this year, is there any 1A teams that could compete with them?

Sounds like Rural Retreat may be able to...? CallMeCoach stated they have a pretty solid squad.

 

[bulldog1150]

Poquoson dropping to 2A will have a impact as well. They have been blocked by C-burg and Cave Spring for years. Won't have to deal with the same depth in 2A. Grundy dropping to 1A will help that as well.

Hopefully the rise of MMA and the "Ninja Warrior" type stuff will translate to more kids getting on the mats. I would love to see packed gyms for wrestling matches.

 

[2kings4]

Sounds like Rural Retreat may be able to...? CallMeCoach stated they have a pretty solid squad.

Rural Retreat's program has been at the top of 1A for years, a lot of state champions.I assume they will continue.

 

[eh31]

Rural Retreat's program has been at the top of 1A for years, a lot of state champions.I assume they will continue.

Like I said, I don't know much about wrestling, but I know grundy won its 20th state championship last winter and I think I remember reading they had 3 or 4 underclassmen that were individual champions too. It sounds like RR has one of the better 1A programs. I just wondered how different the competition is from 2A to 1A

 

[G MASTER BLASTER W]

Speaking of wrestling - I don't know how the state tournament I set up in Virginia.. is it like other sports 1A-6A? Grundy drops to single A this year, is there any 1A teams that could compete with them?

RR is about the only one I could see coming close.

 

[19scarlett96]

Reading this thread one things for sure this happens at all these area schools! I'm not sad about the GW loss to Marion that's my local HS. But complaining on here about the coaching will not accomplishment anything. I have a co-worker who posted some things on here last year about the team and coach his son plays for. I read all the posts none of which were defamatory or anything just from his opinion and statistically speaking factual. What did this get him? The head varsity coach called him outside after a basketball game and cussed him and threatened to "take care of him". He went to the school board superintendent and he arranged a meeting with the principal and the AD. After it was said and done the coach admitted to everything and nothing was done to him. They actually turned this around on him. He cannot cheer for his son nor is he allowed to post anything on here about anything. I have worked with this guy for over 20 years and have watched his kids grow up. His son is one of the best WR in swva with career stats that after this year should put him in the record books. He is very passionate about his sons sports. With that being said until the school board and AD are willing to do something nothing will be done! At least you don't have to worry about Harner or as of yet threatening anyone physical harm like my buddy's sons coach. Another positive is at least Harner has a winning record in his tenure the other schools coach isn't even close to .500 and still has job security. As I call it small town redneck politics. The big fish in a little pond syndrome.

 

[WP02alum]

Loved growing up in a small town. Don't miss the garbage that comes with it!

 

[CallMeCoach19]

RR Wrestling is solid. I think they will really compete for 1...maybe two more years then drop off a bit. Not enough to say they aren't still a quality team, but a championship won't be a foregone conclusion as it has been in the past.

 

[Daddy_rabbit]

Can't wait till FRIDAY...so we can move on to a better topic! Getting kinda old.