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Stubbled on this today from a share on FB...

I do think this kid is gonna be good, but coming out of 8th grade already getting this attention??? Many Appo folk are sharing this as if he is the next great thing. Look at the pressure already on him? I wish the best for him, his family and Appomattox... but they are already fitting this dude for size 21 shoes to fill. Like Bo Bobb said... take it day by day/ game by game/ practice by practice.
 
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AdvocateOfMany434 said:
https://youth1.com/football/2022-qblb-tre-lawing-shines-both-sides-ball

Stubbled on this today from a share on FB...

I do think this kid is gonna be good, but coming out of 8th grade already getting this attention??? Many Appo folk are sharing this as if he is the next great thing. Look at the pressure already on him? I wish the best for him, his family and Appomattox... but they are already fitting this dude for size 21 shoes to fill. Like Bo Bobb said... take it day by day/ game by game/ practice by practice.
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All I can say is DAMN.
 
The kid looks to have a bright future and skills, but I would hold the horses on the big talk about him. It's not like he is doing it against elite competition and therefore needs to keep his head and improve if he wants to reach those levels.

To even be mentioned with one of the greatest players in state history is mighty lofty for a JV player. His mechanics need a lot of work to be elite as well
 
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Gunz41 said:
The kid looks to have a bright future and skills, but I would hold the horses on the big talk about him. It's not like he is doing it against elite competition and therefore needs to keep his head and improve if he wants to reach those levels.

To even be mentioned with one of the greatest players in state history is mighty lofty for a JV player. His mechanics need a lot of work to be elite as well
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Yeah if he was playing 4a,5a or 6a. Kid’s gonna be the next best thing on the 2a level.
 
DanvilleSportsHead said:
Yeah if he was playing 4a,5a or 6a. Kid’s gonna be the next best thing on the 2a level.
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It doesn't matter where he is playing, he is on the JV team and is being mentioned at the next Vic Hall. I'm not saying he won't be great, but he certainly isn't that level yet. And there are some really good players and teams in 2a.

But maybe you are right @DanvilleSportsHead, you think Nick Saban will sign this JV player today?
 
Gunz41 said:
It doesn't matter where he is playing, he is on the JV team and is being mentioned at the next Vic Hall. I'm not saying he won't be great, but he certainly isn't that level yet. And there are some really good players and teams in 2a.

But maybe you are right @DanvilleSportsHead, you think Nick Saban will sign this JV player today?
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Again I’ll say at the 2a level you only need a couple of playmakers to be an elite team. As far as the kid goes he’ll get his share of colleges to choose from once he develops. He’s 6’2 185 in the eighth grade. Most kids at the high school level don’t hit that until their senior year.
 
DanvilleSportsHead said:
Again I’ll say at the 2a level you only need a couple of playmakers to be an elite team. As far as the kid goes he’ll get his share of colleges to choose from once he develops. He’s 6’2 185 in the eighth grade. Most kids at the high school level don’t hit that until their senior year.
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That just simply isn't true. I can give you MANY examples of teams with many playmakers who weren't elite. It's not like basketball where 1 kid can make a huge difference.

As for the kid, he is still only in 8th grade and certainly has huge potential, but there has been lots of kids with just as much potential, measurable, and actual numbers in a VARSITY game and different factors made them not get those offers.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe what @AdvocateOfMany434 was trying to say is he may have all the potential in the world, but when he hasn't proven it yet, that you can't compare him to the greats.

I am in no way saying the young man can't reach those lofty expectations, but it's premature.

Now if you want those examples of teams with playmakers and weren't elite let me know. I know you are uses to being around the 4a schools, but there are some really good teams and programs at the lower levels.
 
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DanvilleSportsHead said:
At the 2a level all it takes is a solid line, 2-3 good skill players and a physical defense. I believe Appo will have all 3 in the coming future.
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"Again I’ll say at the 2a level you only need a couple of playmakers to be an elite team"

Danville, which one of the above is it? Is it only a couple of playmakers or is it a couple of playmakers, a solid line, and a physical defense. A solid line is......plural as in.....more than player and a physical defense is plural, as in more than one player. So, if you take the couple of playmakers and only count the solid line as 2 players and only count the physical defense as 2 players, you are already up to 6 players? Just sayin...
 
Gunz41 said:
That just simply isn't true. I can give you MANY examples of teams with many playmakers who weren't elite. It's not like basketball where 1 kid can make a huge difference.

As for the kid, he is still only in 8th grade and certainly has huge potential, but there has been lots of kids with just as much potential, measurable, and actual numbers in a VARSITY game and different factors made them not get those offers.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe what @AdvocateOfMany434 was trying to say is he may have all the potential in the world, but when he hasn't proven it yet, that you can't compare him to the greats.

I am in no way saying the young man can't reach those lofty expectations, but it's premature.

Now if you want those examples of teams with playmakers and weren't elite let me know. I know you are uses to being around the 4a schools, but there are some really good teams and programs at the lower levels.
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2017 Thomas Jefferson of Richmond. Had literally 2 players that took the school to the best season in program history. 2017 Heritage Lynchburg (Elijah Davis, shut him down, shut the whole offense down)...Staunton River..Had 2 other backs but Overstreet was their bread and butter.. Don’t think Staunton River would’ve been nearly as good without Overstreet and definitely would not have enjoyed back to back trips to the state semis. If you really want me to get into it..Them 14 and 15 JF teams. Them boys had 3 good ballplayers with no defense. Was still successful. My theory will still stand. A couple of big time play makers at the smaller levels is all you need. For ludicrous or whatever his name is, yeah you gotta have a solid line and a good defense. More than that, you gotta have a good coach. Appo will have all 4 aspects. Get used to Appomattox winning every year.

Sincerely,
Not an Appomattox Fan.
 
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DanvilleSportsHead said:
2017 Thomas Jefferson of Richmond. Had literally 2 players that took the school to the best season in program history. 2017 Heritage Lynchburg (Elijah Davis, shut him down, shut the whole offense down)...Staunton River..Had 2 other backs but Overstreet was their bread and butter.. Don’t think Staunton River would’ve been nearly as good without Overstreet and definitely would not have enjoyed back to back trips to the state semis. If you really want me to get into it..Them 14 and 15 JF teams. Them boys had 3 good ballplayers with no defense. Was still successful. My theory will still stand. A couple of big time play makers at the smaller levels is all you need. For ludicrous or whatever his name is, yeah you gotta have a solid line and a good defense. More than that, you gotta have a good coach. Appo will have all 4 aspects. Get used to Appomattox winning every year.

Sincerely,
Not an Appomattox Fan.
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The question isn't whether Appomattox will be elite, the quote you made was a 2A SCHOOL CAN ONLY HAVE 2 PLAYMAKERS AND BE ELITE. You didn't say be good or competitive, you said ELITE. Then EVERY TEAM for your example you named and none were 2a.

So if you want to change the argument then that is fine, but ELITE is certainly a different standard
 
Gunz41 said:
The question isn't whether Appomattox will be elite, the quote you made was a 2A SCHOOL CAN ONLY HAVE 2 PLAYMAKERS AND BE ELITE. You didn't say be good or competitive, you said ELITE. Then EVERY TEAM for your example you named and none were 2a.

So if you want to change the argument then that is fine, but ELITE is certainly a different standard
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Hey I stand by my elite statement. Those teams I mentioned above were elite teams (except Tee Jay). Those were 3a and 4a teams at that. Don’t take my word for it, look it up.
 
AdvocateOfMany434 said:
https://youth1.com/football/2022-qblb-tre-lawing-shines-both-sides-ball

Stubbled on this today from a share on FB...

I do think this kid is gonna be good, but coming out of 8th grade already getting this attention??? Many Appo folk are sharing this as if he is the next great thing. Look at the pressure already on him? I wish the best for him, his family and Appomattox... but they are already fitting this dude for size 21 shoes to fill. Like Bo Bobb said... take it day by day/ game by game/ practice by practice.
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Unfortunately, this is the day and age we live in when it comes to youth and high school sports. There is so much unwanted pressure placed on kids way too soon. I hope for his sake, he can live up to it. It's not uncommon for kids to get scholarship offers as early as 7th or 8th grade. Rarely do those guys pan out but it happens.
 
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DanvilleSportsHead said:
Hey I stand by my elite statement. Those teams I mentioned above were elite teams (except Tee Jay). Those were 3a and 4a teams at that. Don’t take my word for it, look it up.
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I know EXACTLY who they are, but you said teams only need 2 PLAYMAKERS to be ELITE in 2a, then don't list any 2a team. Get the point now.

Ok, you stand by the elite comment, ok so you said all a team needs in 2 PLAYMAKERS to be ELITE, so then let's here the explanation of elite by You? Then I will gladly name school after school
 
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AdvocateOfMany434 said:
Lets define ELITE? What does that mean to @DanvilleSportsHead ...
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For me elite defers from level to level. Appomattox has been elite at the 2a level the past 3 years, just like Westfield and Salem has been elite at their level. Elite is the best of the best. I never said this kid would be the player Appomattox needed to beat a Salem or a Oscar Smith..I said at the 2a level they will be elite. That’s against the Poquoson’s, the Goochland’s, the Union’s, the Graham’s, the Richland’s...The Altavista’s, the Riverhead’s (yeah I know they’re 1a schools).
 
DanvilleSportsHead said:
For me elite defers from level to level. Appomattox has been elite at the 2a level the past 3 years, just like Westfield and Salem has been elite at their level. Elite is the best of the best. I never said this kid would be the player Appomattox needed to beat a Salem or a Oscar Smith..I said at the 2a level they will be elite. That’s against the Poquoson’s, the Goochland’s, the Union’s, the Graham’s, the Richland’s...The Altavista’s, the Riverhead’s (yeah I know they’re 1a schools).
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No man, that is not what you said. You said all A team needs is a couple playmakers to be elite a 2a.

Appomattox has been elite, if you had said Appomattox nobody would have said a word
 
Gunz41 said:
No man, that is not what you said. You said all A team needs is a couple playmakers to be elite a 2a.

Appomattox has been elite, if you had said Appomattox nobody would have said a word
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Well who else would I be talking about genius? I’m sure the kid won’t be transferring to Nelson County or Stuart’s Draft anytime soon ;) of course I was talking about Appomattox.
 
"Again I’ll say at the 2a level you only need a couple of playmakers to be an elite team."

The ENTIRE point of this is that THIS statement is NOT true. Yes Appomattox has been elite, but there are MANY teams who have playmakers and aren't elite. And it also seemed to us small folk that it was a small shot at the 2a teams.

But just to prove the point. Just one that is close to home. Robert E Lee this year with a lot of playmakers state runner up, last year those same playmakers under .500.

That is why I and others replied to you and your post, because you said 2a, not Appomattox. That is why we asked what you define as elite
 
Gunz41 said:
"Again I’ll say at the 2a level you only need a couple of playmakers to be an elite team."

The ENTIRE point of this is that THIS statement is NOT true. Yes Appomattox has been elite, but there are MANY teams who have playmakers and aren't elite. And it also seemed to us small folk that it was a small shot at the 2a teams.

But just to prove the point. Just one that is close to home. Robert E Lee this year with a lot of playmakers state runner up, last year those same playmakers under .500.

That is why I and others replied to you and your post, because you said 2a, not Appomattox. That is why we asked what you define as elite
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Calm down calm down. It’s no diss at the small schools, it’s just facts. Appo will be back in Salem and this kid is gonna be exciting to watch. They’ll keep their elite status at the 2a level. Sports Head out. It’s basketball szn anyway.
 
DanvilleSportsHead said:
Calm down calm down. It’s no diss at the small schools, it’s just facts. Appo will be back in Salem and this kid is gonna be exciting to watch. They’ll keep their elite status at the 2a level. Sports Head out. It’s basketball szn anyway.
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It kind of is a shot when you say it's not 6a, 5a, 4a all you need is a couple of playmakers in 2a.

But you still seem to be missing the entire point. It's not about Appo being elite, everyone knows that. But when you say all you need to be elite at this level is a couple of playmakers you are WRONG. Like I said, I can give you example after example.

See you have your mind on basketball, that is the sport where you can have a couple playmakers and be elite, football... NO. Whether you are 1a or 12a
 
Gunz41 said:
It kind of is a shot when you say it's not 6a, 5a, 4a all you need is a couple of playmakers in 2a.

But you still seem to be missing the entire point. It's not about Appo being elite, everyone knows that. But when you say all you need to be elite at this level is a couple of playmakers you are WRONG. Like I said, I can give you example after example.

See you have your mind on basketball, that is the sport where you can have a couple playmakers and be elite, football... NO. Whether you are 1a or 12a
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Gunz what basketball teams you been watching lol? I’ve never seen an elite basketball team that didn’t have at least 4-5 playmakers.
 
DanvilleSportsHead said:
Gunz what basketball teams you been watching lol? I’ve never seen an elite basketball team that didn’t have at least 4-5 playmakers.
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Now you have me SOOOOOOOOOOO confused. It football, the ultimate team game, you only need 2, but basketball you need 4 or 5, when only 5 on court.

I'm not nearly the basketball guy that you are, it's been a long time since I seen a HS basketball team, but when watching college and pros I see 1 or 2 do it all the time
 
I'm sure sportshead could think of some nearby 2A/1A teams with studs that never reached "Elite" status by definition lol, but I think the cool thing with smaller schools is you will see a 2A/1A squad who can have a group with no major college talent and do something special and go on a run. Back in 2013 Buckingham went on a nice run to the semifinals of the playoffs. Not a soul on that roster got an FBS offer, and the year before they graduated 4/5 OL, lost what would be an all state 3A rb to a transfer, and lost a guy who would become a D3 All American WR. For all intents and purposes they were not oozing with studs, they go down and beat Dan River with 3 FBS kids and an FCS kid if I'm not mistaken, that's a local example I know, but I think you see it throughout 1A/2A team ball can ultimately beat studs to elite status in football. That same year Giles beat Brunswick in the title game, Brunswick was oozing with stud athletes, but hasn't been back that far since. Very rarely do we see the dynasty type stuff in 2A as we are seeing with Appo right now. Someone correct me if I am wrong but wasn't 2008 Gretna the last 2A to go back to back prior to Appo? Now as for the young man from Appo I think Advocate is just saying we all don't want a Todd marinovich situation lol let the kid be a kid and don't heap the pressure on him of being the chosen one to deliver a 4 peat. The kid not only has pressure of quarterbacking the 3 time defending state champs, he gets to follow a QB, who in my opinion, was one of the more underrated players I've seen in 2A in recent memory, I think LU got a steal in getting Scruggs!
 
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Now you have me SOOOOOOOOOOO confused. It football, the ultimate team game, you only need 2, but basketball you need 4 or 5, when only 5 on court.

I'm not nearly the basketball guy that you are, it's been a long time since I seen a HS basketball team, but when watching college and pros I see 1 or 2 do it all the time
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Must be that Augusta County ball lol
 
I agree with Danville's first statement which was, it takes a couple of elite players (and yes, I assumed he was talking about the level of play in which the team competes) but he also added, a good OL and a physical defense. So, if you read the statement carefully, he implies is takes MORE than just 2 elite players. If you add up a physical defense and a very good OL, you are talking about 2 elite players and about 8-10 very, very, very good players at that 2A or 1A level. I actually agree with this 100%.

The second statement he made, or the second statement which was kind of contorted to "just a total of 2 elite players" and leaving out the part about the OL and physical defense is one I disagree with. I am still unsure which one Danville is going with, but I agree with his very first statement on the subject which is....you can be a state title type-or title contending team with 2 elite players AND a very good OL and a very physical defense at the 2A or 1A level. Three examples..

Example 1. Appo-2 elite players at ANY level and a very good OL and a very physical defense which means state titles.
Example 2. Union-1 elite player, but a very solid OL and an even better defense, and they were very, very close and you could call them a state title contender.
Example 3.- Graham. 2 elite players or pretty close in Cooke (elite, starter at a BCS school in the future) and Vineyard, the LB who is under-recruited, but will end up somewhere as high as Marshall, Liberty, JMU and start, and do very well, and they had a fast defense, but not overly physical and an average to above average OL, and they weren't a state title contender by any stretch as they were blown out against Union. Therefore, I think the answer is...it takes 2 elite players and you need to have the OL and Defensive Part Down, which is what Danville first eluded to. This is true for the Class 1 or Class 2 levels to be great. When you are talking about Class 4, 5, 6, it takes even more.
 
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I agree with Danville's first statement which was, it takes a couple of elite players (and yes, I assumed he was talking about the level of play in which the team competes) but he also added, a good OL and a physical defense. So, if you read the statement carefully, he implies is takes MORE than just 2 elite players. If you add up a physical defense and a very good OL, you are talking about 2 elite players and about 8-10 very, very, very good players at that 2A or 1A level. I actually agree with this 100%.

The second statement he made, or the second statement which was kind of contorted to "just a total of 2 elite players" and leaving out the part about the OL and physical defense is one I disagree with. I am still unsure which one Danville is going with, but I agree with his very first statement on the subject which is....you can be a state title type-or title contending team with 2 elite players AND a very good OL and a very physical defense at the 2A or 1A level. Three examples..

Example 1. Appo-2 elite players at ANY level and a very good OL and a very physical defense which means state titles.
Example 2. Union-1 elite player, but a very solid OL and an even better defense, and they were very, very close and you could call them a state title contender.
Example 3.- Graham. 2 elite players or pretty close in Cooke (elite, starter at a BCS school in the future) and Vineyard, the LB who is under-recruited, but will end up somewhere as high as Marshall, Liberty, JMU and start, and do very well, and they had a fast defense, but not overly physical and an average to above average OL, and they weren't a state title contender by any stretch as they were blown out against Union. Therefore, I think the answer is...it takes 2 elite players and you need to have the OL and Defensive Part Down, which is what Danville first eluded to. This is true for the Class 1 or Class 2 levels to be great. When you are talking about Class 4, 5, 6, it takes even more.
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I was referring to my first statement in the second statement where I didn’t mention defense and O-line out so my fault.
 
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