Battlefield District

[BleedingNavy]

We all know King George is the top dawg in the Battlefield right now. Can EV or anyone else challenge them for the top spot? Who else in Battlefield could qualify for the Class 4 Region B playoffs? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

Navy I remember the days that Battlefield fans were a plenty on here. I’d like to know as well. Wouldn’t mind catching a game this fall on the blue turf at Courtland.

 

[BleedingNavy]

Exactly @BoKnowsSports. I miss them all too. Do you remember @Skynyrd? That man knew the Battlefield District. King George is obvious and EV has some solid talent as well, but what about Courtland, Spotsylvania, Chancellor, Caroline, and James Monroe (Class 3). Just 6-8 years ago most of the teams noted above were contenders. Heck, Courtland was nasty in 2014 and 2015. Didn't they beat GW Danville on the road in one of those years? Since realignment I have been able to enjoy watching Dinwiddie play KG, JM, EV, Courtland, and Caroline. Even though my Generals are 10-1 against the Battlefield teams, for most part the games have all been hard fought contest. With the exception of the 2016 State final loss to Salem, the 2017 EV and 2022 KG regional final games are my favorite hs games of all time. I hope the Battlefield makes a comeback soon.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

The Battlefield was arguably the best C4 district in the state around that time. Eastern View was a contender every single year. That year they had the Hunter and almost knocked off Dinwiddie. Courtland beat GW in 2013 and GW beat them in Danville in 2014. Those Courtland teams were loaded! If it wasn’t for the slow start at Lake Taylor, they could’ve had a shot to win it all in 2015. Chancellor had some STUDS. Jason Brown( South Carolina, VT), the big WR (I forget his name but he played major college ball), and of course Yetur Gross-Matos.

EV currently has a big time recruit at LB and I think they’re probably just a victim of their longtime coach heading to Battlefield and being in Region B.

 

[BleedingNavy]

Yeah EV has Clatterbaugh (lb/te) and D. Hunter (QB/db) returning. Both are extremely talented players. Very few teams can compete with King George; however, the Cyclones schedule will surely help. They should go 9-1 in the regular season. All of EV'S ood opponents had losing seasons last year. Class 1 Westmoreland??????

 

[cavaliers91]

D.Hunter has transferred to Blue Ridge the private school. Clatterbaugh is different beast

 

[BleedingNavy]

Thanks @cavaliers91. That is a huge loss for the Cyclones. Hunter gave defenses fits with his arm and legs. Does EV have a decent option at QB?

 

[cavaliers91]

@BleedingNavy not sure. Definitely a huge loss. Don’t see where EV goes from here. Hunter was definitely giving everyone fits. Agree with you about the battlefield it’s not good at all anymore it’s down bad

 

[BleedingNavy]

@cavaliers, I wasn't saying the Battlefield was horrible. EV and KG have been very competitive; however, the rest of their Class 4 teams have generally crashed and burned early in the playoffs. One factor that I believe hurts the Battlefield is the strength of schedule. Two and three loss Battlefield teams are either very low seeds or don't make the playoffs at all. You have to schedule teams that win games. Region B is all about accumulating rider points. Heck you can go undefeated and be a 3 seed in this region.

Courtland absolutely drives me crazy. They always have good talent and speed, but they don't adapt with their personnel. On paper they should be a contender. If you listen to Coach Mills podcast he talks about his willingness to adapt and how it has led to success. King George did that several years ago and they have been one of the most consistent and feared teams in Region B. My hat goes off to the coaches and kids in the Foxes program. EV is the same way. Every time we have played them it's been a war!

 

[cavaliers91]

@BleedingNavy Agree 100% with everything you said. The Battlefield district has a lot of work to do to get back to being competitive across the board. Courtland track team is always one the states best but the offense never adapts to their kids.

 

[FoxesPride]

The Battlefield was arguably the best C4 district in the state around that time. Eastern View was a contender every single year. That year they had the Hunter and almost knocked off Dinwiddie. Courtland beat GW in 2013 and GW beat them in Danville in 2014. Those Courtland teams were loaded! If it wasn’t for the slow start at Lake Taylor, they could’ve had a shot to win it all in 2015. Chancellor had some STUDS. Jason Brown( South Carolina, VT), the big WR (I forget his name but he played major college ball), and of course Yetur Gross-Matos.

EV currently has a big time recruit at LB and I think they’re probably just a victim of their longtime coach heading to Battlefield and being in Region B.

WR was EJ Jenkins

 

[Virginia HS Football Fan]

Glad there are still some Battlefield fans on the board. It is quite sad to see what the district has become. I still think much of that is due to Orange County and Louisa County leaving the district. But that's another topic for another day.

I was out of the country for most of last year and crammed as many postseason games in as possible when I flew back. So I didn't see much last year.

I will say this, If King George can get their on-field discipline and coaching in order, they can compete with anyone in the state. That game at Dinwiddie last year was one of the best high school games I've ever seen.

I don't really follow Eastern View and Culpeper County, but I do know that the attendance zones out there still favor Eastern View and should continue to do so for quite some time.

As for James Monroe, I just don't see as much interest in the City of Fredericksburg as there was even a couple of decades ago. I think there are too many kids that are still involved in things they shouldn't be. This is where Serbay was a major factor. Like him or not, he saved a lot of kids' lives by having them play for him.

Although I don't think they'll compete at the state level in football for a long time (have to wait for population to continue to move down I-95 for this to happen), you can feel that something is starting to turn around at Caroline. And good for them. They have been so bad in a lot of sports for so long, it's nice to see them win and compete. They finally have athletes across many sports which take playing sports seriously and that will be beneficial in the long run.

Now, let's talk about the three Spotsylvania schools in the Battlefield. Spotsylvania is a toss-up. I think they will finish anywhere between 4-6 and 6-4. The big transfers (Barnwell to Riverbend and the other kid to Massaponax) really hurt them a few years back. I think the interest is steady in the program. Crowds are mostly back from the disastrous 2000s and 2010s. Fan support is good. But in that area of the county, more and more of the legacy folks who went to Spotsylvania are fading away. The passion isn't as rampant as it was in the 1990s. Opening up two new high schools since 1998 hasn't helped either.

For Chancellor, I do not see them competing for a long time. Sadly, that area of the county has seen a drastic change in demographics. Very similar to Park View in Sterling (without the MS-13 folks...yet). It's futbol, not football. Now, the soccer team has always been good to great at Chancellor so that's nothing new. But football has been mostly down with the occasional spike (i.e. Game of the Year several years ago with Eastern View). One would have thought they could have gained players a few years ago when the lines were redrawn (more on that in a minute). But it hasn't clicked.

Same for Courtland. The knock on them for the longest time was that they would take their licks in the non-district schedule and then run or nearly run the table in the Battlefield. This has been the biggest disappointment since the lines were redrawn. Courtland should have been able to capitalize on having kids who were in Massaponax's district. But they have failed to do so. Student support is pretty good but fan support isn't like the 1980s when they packed the stadium or each home game. Yes, things do change. This is going to be a growing part of the county in the near future as I think another 3,000 homes are set to be built within a few miles of the school. The county already needs another high school (the next one is slated to be built in the northeastern part of the county in the future) and will probably need a seventh county high school shortly after that as well. This will dilute the already spread thin talent.

And I mentioned the lines being redrawn a few years back. Basically, Massaponax was severely overflowing. Courtland meanwhile was getting renovated (opened in 1980). The county moved some kids from Massaponax (opened in 1998) to Courtland and from Courtland to Chancellor (opened in 1988) and Spotsylvania (current building opened January 1994). Riverbend (opened in 2004) was not touched as that is the newest palace and the affluent types in the north/northwest part of the county would have revolted in some of their kids being rezoned to go to "lesser" (less fancy) schools.

But back to the Battlefield. I know that King George has seen some growth in that county. And since they are the only high school there, they should have no problem competing for a district title each year for the near future. Eastern View is in a better geographic location in Culpeper County to lure more potential athletes whose parents will use it as a bedroom community to commute to their government jobs.

Also, let's not omit the fact that Fredericksburg Christian and St. Michael are two schools that have pulled good players who otherwise would have attended schools in the Battlefield.

But it should be Eastern View and King George fighting for the top spot for years to come.

I don't know the ins and outs of the personnel at the schools, but this is a feel for what's happening and what to expect.

 

[BleedingNavy]

Thanks for your take @Virginia HS Football Fan. Hopefully, things will turn around for the Battlefield. King George is certainly a major threat for a region/state title in 2023.

 

[17Bluebird]

I remember Courtland was the best back in the 80s as they won several state championships.

 

[pizzzzza]

Glad there are still some Battlefield fans on the board. It is quite sad to see what the district has become. I still think much of that is due to Orange County and Louisa County leaving the district. But that's another topic for another day.

I was out of the country for most of last year and crammed as many postseason games in as possible when I flew back. So I didn't see much last year.

I will say this, If King George can get their on-field discipline and coaching in order, they can compete with anyone in the state. That game at Dinwiddie last year was one of the best high school games I've ever seen.

I don't really follow Eastern View and Culpeper County, but I do know that the attendance zones out there still favor Eastern View and should continue to do so for quite some time.

As for James Monroe, I just don't see as much interest in the City of Fredericksburg as there was even a couple of decades ago. I think there are too many kids that are still involved in things they shouldn't be. This is where Serbay was a major factor. Like him or not, he saved a lot of kids' lives by having them play for him.

Although I don't think they'll compete at the state level in football for a long time (have to wait for population to continue to move down I-95 for this to happen), you can feel that something is starting to turn around at Caroline. And good for them. They have been so bad in a lot of sports for so long, it's nice to see them win and compete. They finally have athletes across many sports which take playing sports seriously and that will be beneficial in the long run.

Now, let's talk about the three Spotsylvania schools in the Battlefield. Spotsylvania is a toss-up. I think they will finish anywhere between 4-6 and 6-4. The big transfers (Barnwell to Riverbend and the other kid to Massaponax) really hurt them a few years back. I think the interest is steady in the program. Crowds are mostly back from the disastrous 2000s and 2010s. Fan support is good. But in that area of the county, more and more of the legacy folks who went to Spotsylvania are fading away. The passion isn't as rampant as it was in the 1990s. Opening up two new high schools since 1998 hasn't helped either.

For Chancellor, I do not see them competing for a long time. Sadly, that area of the county has seen a drastic change in demographics. Very similar to Park View in Sterling (without the MS-13 folks...yet). It's futbol, not football. Now, the soccer team has always been good to great at Chancellor so that's nothing new. But football has been mostly down with the occasional spike (i.e. Game of the Year several years ago with Eastern View). One would have thought they could have gained players a few years ago when the lines were redrawn (more on that in a minute). But it hasn't clicked.

Same for Courtland. The knock on them for the longest time was that they would take their licks in the non-district schedule and then run or nearly run the table in the Battlefield. This has been the biggest disappointment since the lines were redrawn. Courtland should have been able to capitalize on having kids who were in Massaponax's district. But they have failed to do so. Student support is pretty good but fan support isn't like the 1980s when they packed the stadium or each home game. Yes, things do change. This is going to be a growing part of the county in the near future as I think another 3,000 homes are set to be built within a few miles of the school. The county already needs another high school (the next one is slated to be built in the northeastern part of the county in the future) and will probably need a seventh county high school shortly after that as well. This will dilute the already spread thin talent.

And I mentioned the lines being redrawn a few years back. Basically, Massaponax was severely overflowing. Courtland meanwhile was getting renovated (opened in 1980). The county moved some kids from Massaponax (opened in 1998) to Courtland and from Courtland to Chancellor (opened in 1988) and Spotsylvania (current building opened January 1994). Riverbend (opened in 2004) was not touched as that is the newest palace and the affluent types in the north/northwest part of the county would have revolted in some of their kids being rezoned to go to "lesser" (less fancy) schools.

But back to the Battlefield. I know that King George has seen some growth in that county. And since they are the only high school there, they should have no problem competing for a district title each year for the near future. Eastern View is in a better geographic location in Culpeper County to lure more potential athletes whose parents will use it as a bedroom community to commute to their government jobs.

Also, let's not omit the fact that Fredericksburg Christian and St. Michael are two schools that have pulled good players who otherwise would have attended schools in the Battlefield.

But it should be Eastern View and King George fighting for the top spot for years to come.

I don't know the ins and outs of the personnel at the schools, but this is a feel for what's happening and what to expect.

Nice write up!

You should be a sports writer.

 

[cavaliers91]

@Virginia HS Football Fan as a Caroline Cav fan I do think we have an opportunity to make a run for the district but coach Johnson is doing a great job of building the program …I’m interested in your comments about King George the “ on field discipline” and especially “coaching in order” part… the coaches have transformed that program from nothing… last 3 years they have 3 loses and all them have been in the state Championship game that they have lost too. ( 2 of them won it). I believe that staff doesn’t get the credit it deserves. That place is not known for football. Losing to Lake Taylor, Varnia and Dinwiide which are known for having tough kids who embrace football

 

[OCBoy]

EV’s qb should be AP Hull. He came in the game vs Hanover for the injured Hunter and almost won it for them. Not big on hearsay but I was told Hull was gonna be the starting qb even if Hunter stayed.

 

[OCBoy]

Yeah EV has Clatterbaugh (lb/te) and D. Hunter (QB/db) returning. Both are extremely talented players. Very few teams can compete with King George; however, the Cyclones schedule will surely help. They should go 9-1 in the regular season. All of EV'S ood opponents had losing seasons last year. Class 1 Westmoreland??????

9-1 to be a 5 6 or 7 seed. In my opinion, line play and the defense has taken a step back since Hatfield left.

 

[Virginia HS Football Fan]

@Virginia HS Football Fan as a Caroline Cav fan I do think we have an opportunity to make a run for the district but coach Johnson is doing a great job of building the program …I’m interested in your comments about King George the “ on field discipline” and especially “coaching in order” part… the coaches have transformed that program from nothing… last 3 years they have 3 loses and all them have been in the state Championship game that they have lost too. ( 2 of them won it). I believe that staff doesn’t get the credit it deserves. That place is not known for football. Losing to Lake Taylor, Varnia and Dinwiide which are known for having tough kids who embrace football

I've seen King George play I think three times in the past couple of years. I saw them rout Spotsylvania a couple of years ago and then lose at home to Varina (which ended up winning the state title). As I mentioned, I also saw them play Dinwiddie in a classic.

So I admit that I think I've only seen them play three times (cue the haters here because they will be upset about my take for only seeing them a few times). However, two of those games were big, meaningful playoff games where they came up short.

But to get back to your question about my comments. I've seen them pass the football when they have shown the ability to run the football effectively (this happens in a lot of places...i.e.....coaches who think they can run the spread because they see it on TV but lack the personnel to do so). The play-calling, in my opinion, wasn't clutch. They tended to go away from what they were doing well.

Secondly, dumb penalties. Personal fouls in key situations. Yes, every team commits them. But winning teams reel that stuff in. That's what I meant by discipline.

And then lastly, I just don't care for the coaches' demeanor and class. And I say this as it relates to their assistants. This is a personal thing. But I don't particularly care for assistant coaches huddling up the players during warmups, yelling, "GD!" and cursing and talking trash about their opponents who aren't doing anything to warrant that type of reaction. Some will whine and complain that I'm soft and that I'm complaining about coaches hyping up their players or whatever. And to that, I tell you that you're part of the problem if you think this NFL style trash talking and pathetic language is necessary and good. I saw this in pregame warmups prior to the Dinwiddie game and I thought some on the coaching staff were classless for doing this. You just don't do that sort of stuff before a game when everyone in the stadium can hear you.

So those are my thoughts. Coaching, discipline, and class are the three issues I see with a program with the talent that can achieve much more. If the program cleans up these issues, then maybe it can get over the hump. Better do it now while King George remains the only high school in that county.

 

[Virginia HS Football Fan]

Nice write up!

You should be a sports writer.

Thanks. I played in the Battlefield in the early/mid-90s, went with my Dad to a game just about every week he wasn't working growing up in the 80s, broadcast high school football for about five seasons elsewhere, and have been involved in D-I college athletics (mainly at the P5 level) for over 20 years.

And I have written some features before for a known paper in the State. This was around 20 or so years ago. Mostly fluff/feel good sports stories though.

 

[cavaliers91]

I've seen King George play I think three times in the past couple of years. I saw them rout Spotsylvania a couple of years ago and then lose at home to Varina (which ended up winning the state title). As I mentioned, I also saw them play Dinwiddie in a classic.

So I admit that I think I've only seen them play three times (cue the haters here because they will be upset about my take for only seeing them a few times). However, two of those games were big, meaningful playoff games where they came up short.

But to get back to your question about my comments. I've seen them pass the football when they have shown the ability to run the football effectively (this happens in a lot of places...i.e.....coaches who think they can run the spread because they see it on TV but lack the personnel to do so). The play-calling, in my opinion, wasn't clutch. They tended to go away from what they were doing well.

Secondly, dumb penalties. Personal fouls in key situations. Yes, every team commits them. But winning teams reel that stuff in. That's what I meant by discipline.

And then lastly, I just don't care for the coaches' demeanor and class. And I say this as it relates to their assistants. This is a personal thing. But I don't particularly care for assistant coaches huddling up the players during warmups, yelling, "GD!" and cursing and talking trash about their opponents who aren't doing anything to warrant that type of reaction. Some will whine and complain that I'm soft and that I'm complaining about coaches hyping up their players or whatever. And to that, I tell you that you're part of the problem if you think this NFL style trash talking and pathetic language is necessary and good. I saw this in pregame warmups prior to the Dinwiddie game and I thought some on the coaching staff were classless for doing this. You just don't do that sort of stuff before a game when everyone in the stadium can hear you.

So those are my thoughts. Coaching, discipline, and class are the three issues I see with a program with the talent that can achieve much more. If the program cleans up these issues, then maybe it can get over the hump. Better do it now while King George remains the only high school in that county.

Agree to disagree. The former players and parents I have talked to gave rave reviews about the coaches . I am not connected to anyone down there but I admire them from a far when staffs build back up a program. They are an energetic bunch that pushes the kids. Everyone has a different style doesn’t mean one way is more effective than the other. Everyone has their taste so I will leave it at that. Saying they don’t have class though is not true at all but it’s your opinion. I have watched them for the last 7-8 years before the new staff even got there because I have some family down there. I don’t agree with the coaching comment either you got to understand your personal but I’m not here to agrue good luck to all you fans this season! Go Cavaliers!

 

[540 Athletes]

We all know King George is the top dawg in the Battlefield right now. Can EV or anyone else challenge them for the top spot? Who else in Battlefield could qualify for the Class 4 Region B playoffs? Inquiring minds want to know.

Nah,

I've seen King George play I think three times in the past couple of years. I saw them rout Spotsylvania a couple of years ago and then lose at home to Varina (which ended up winning the state title). As I mentioned, I also saw them play Dinwiddie in a classic.

So I admit that I think I've only seen them play three times (cue the haters here because they will be upset about my take for only seeing them a few times). However, two of those games were big, meaningful playoff games where they came up short.

But to get back to your question about my comments. I've seen them pass the football when they have shown the ability to run the football effectively (this happens in a lot of places...i.e.....coaches who think they can run the spread because they see it on TV but lack the personnel to do so). The play-calling, in my opinion, wasn't clutch. They tended to go away from what they were doing well.

Secondly, dumb penalties. Personal fouls in key situations. Yes, every team commits them. But winning teams reel that stuff in. That's what I meant by discipline.

And then lastly, I just don't care for the coaches' demeanor and class. And I say this as it relates to their assistants. This is a personal thing. But I don't particularly care for assistant coaches huddling up the players during warmups, yelling, "GD!" and cursing and talking trash about their opponents who aren't doing anything to warrant that type of reaction. Some will whine and complain that I'm soft and that I'm complaining about coaches hyping up their players or whatever. And to that, I tell you that you're part of the problem if you think this NFL style trash talking and pathetic language is necessary and good. I saw this in pregame warmups prior to the Dinwiddie game and I thought some on the coaching staff were classless for doing this. You just don't do that sort of stuff before a game when everyone in the stadium can hear you.

So those are my thoughts. Coaching, discipline, and class are the three issues I see with a program with the talent that can achieve much more. If the program cleans up these issues, then maybe it can get over the hump. Better do it now while King George remains the only high school in that county.

Your critiques of the staff is fair in term of class I suppose… But I don’t believe they have a negative effect on the teams on field play…Say what you want but it that attitude and environment that has turned the program around… From what I’ve seen their staff is young with a lot of alumni on staff… probably a lot of passion and they simply get carried away

 

[cavaliers91]

@540 Athletes Couldn't have said that any better!

 

[blackknight_pride]

Glad there are still some Battlefield fans on the board. It is quite sad to see what the district has become. I still think much of that is due to Orange County and Louisa County leaving the district. But that's another topic for another day.

I was out of the country for most of last year and crammed as many postseason games in as possible when I flew back. So I didn't see much last year.

I will say this, If King George can get their on-field discipline and coaching in order, they can compete with anyone in the state. That game at Dinwiddie last year was one of the best high school games I've ever seen.

I don't really follow Eastern View and Culpeper County, but I do know that the attendance zones out there still favor Eastern View and should continue to do so for quite some time.

As for James Monroe, I just don't see as much interest in the City of Fredericksburg as there was even a couple of decades ago. I think there are too many kids that are still involved in things they shouldn't be. This is where Serbay was a major factor. Like him or not, he saved a lot of kids' lives by having them play for him.

Although I don't think they'll compete at the state level in football for a long time (have to wait for population to continue to move down I-95 for this to happen), you can feel that something is starting to turn around at Caroline. And good for them. They have been so bad in a lot of sports for so long, it's nice to see them win and compete. They finally have athletes across many sports which take playing sports seriously and that will be beneficial in the long run.

Now, let's talk about the three Spotsylvania schools in the Battlefield. Spotsylvania is a toss-up. I think they will finish anywhere between 4-6 and 6-4. The big transfers (Barnwell to Riverbend and the other kid to Massaponax) really hurt them a few years back. I think the interest is steady in the program. Crowds are mostly back from the disastrous 2000s and 2010s. Fan support is good. But in that area of the county, more and more of the legacy folks who went to Spotsylvania are fading away. The passion isn't as rampant as it was in the 1990s. Opening up two new high schools since 1998 hasn't helped either.

For Chancellor, I do not see them competing for a long time. Sadly, that area of the county has seen a drastic change in demographics. Very similar to Park View in Sterling (without the MS-13 folks...yet). It's futbol, not football. Now, the soccer team has always been good to great at Chancellor so that's nothing new. But football has been mostly down with the occasional spike (i.e. Game of the Year several years ago with Eastern View). One would have thought they could have gained players a few years ago when the lines were redrawn (more on that in a minute). But it hasn't clicked.

Same for Courtland. The knock on them for the longest time was that they would take their licks in the non-district schedule and then run or nearly run the table in the Battlefield. This has been the biggest disappointment since the lines were redrawn. Courtland should have been able to capitalize on having kids who were in Massaponax's district. But they have failed to do so. Student support is pretty good but fan support isn't like the 1980s when they packed the stadium or each home game. Yes, things do change. This is going to be a growing part of the county in the near future as I think another 3,000 homes are set to be built within a few miles of the school. The county already needs another high school (the next one is slated to be built in the northeastern part of the county in the future) and will probably need a seventh county high school shortly after that as well. This will dilute the already spread thin talent.

And I mentioned the lines being redrawn a few years back. Basically, Massaponax was severely overflowing. Courtland meanwhile was getting renovated (opened in 1980). The county moved some kids from Massaponax (opened in 1998) to Courtland and from Courtland to Chancellor (opened in 1988) and Spotsylvania (current building opened January 1994). Riverbend (opened in 2004) was not touched as that is the newest palace and the affluent types in the north/northwest part of the county would have revolted in some of their kids being rezoned to go to "lesser" (less fancy) schools.

But back to the Battlefield. I know that King George has seen some growth in that county. And since they are the only high school there, they should have no problem competing for a district title each year for the near future. Eastern View is in a better geographic location in Culpeper County to lure more potential athletes whose parents will use it as a bedroom community to commute to their government jobs.

Also, let's not omit the fact that Fredericksburg Christian and St. Michael are two schools that have pulled good players who otherwise would have attended schools in the Battlefield.

But it should be Eastern View and King George fighting for the top spot for years to come.

I don't know the ins and outs of the personnel at the schools, but this is a feel for what's happening and what to expect.

This is a great thread. I love the Battlefield and the competitiveness between schools that are old rivals as well as schools that are much newer. This particular response led me to post this...here are the demographics of the Fredericksburg area high schools (+Culpeper County) just in case anyone was interested. Numbers are from the past school year. They are in order of size of school and the numbers are the % of the school that is that race. Fredericksburg is a lot more diverse than I realized. Anyways, just thought you may be interested. Hopefully this formats well in here, you should be able to scroll to the side to see all the numbers.

FREDERICKSBURG

Location

City/County Population

Minus University

Total:

School Enrollment

Ratio

White

Black

Hispanic

Biracial

Asian

Total%

Riverbend

Spotsylvania County

138493​

138493​

1998​

57.608​

14.26​

17.6176​

7.5576​

2.503​

99.55​

6​

Massaponax

Spotsylvania County

138493​

138493​

1743​

38.554​

27.94​

22.4326​

7.7453​

3.041​

99.713​

5​

Eastern View

Culpeper County

52021​

52,021​

1558​

45.635​

15.15​

29.3325​

7.2529​

2.375​

99.743​

4​

Courtland

Spotsylvania County

138493​

138493​

1557​

40.912​

24.34​

22.3507​

7.3218​

4.753​

99.679​

4​

King George

King George County

26597​

26597​

1489​

5.5984​

61.383​

18.6​

10.2082​

7.9248​

1.007​

99.127​

4​

Chancellor

Spotsylvania County

138493​

138493​

1400​

33.286​

21.64​

35.5714​

6.0714​

2.857​

99.429​

4​

Spotsylvania

Spotsylvania County

138493​

138493​

1389​

63.643​

11.74​

14.6148​

8.1353​

1.656​

99.784​

4​

Caroline

Caroline County

30681​

30681​

1251​

4.0774​

47.962​

27.98​

13.8289​

8.713​

0.799​

99.281​

4​

Culpeper County

Culpeper County

52021​

52021​

1224​

50.082​

10.38​

31.2908​

6.2908​

1.471​

99.51​

3​

James Monroe

Fredericksburg City

29092​

3956​

25136​

1002​

3.9863​

28.244​

35.73​

23.0539​

6.3872​

6.088​

99.501​

3​

 

[Virginia HS Football Fan]

This is a great thread. I love the Battlefield and the competitiveness between schools that are old rivals as well as schools that are much newer. This particular response led me to post this...here are the demographics of the Fredericksburg area high schools (+Culpeper County) just in case anyone was interested. Numbers are from the past school year. They are in order of size of school and the numbers are the % of the school that is that race. Fredericksburg is a lot more diverse than I realized. Anyways, just thought you may be interested. Hopefully this formats well in here, you should be able to scroll to the side to see all the numbers.

FREDERICKSBURG

Location

City/County Population

Minus University

Total:

School Enrollment

Ratio

White

Black

Hispanic

Biracial

Asian

Total%

Riverbend

Spotsylvania County

138493​

138493​

1998​

57.608​

14.26​

17.6176​

7.5576​

2.503​

99.55​

6​

Massaponax

Spotsylvania County

138493​

138493​

1743​

38.554​

27.94​

22.4326​

7.7453​

3.041​

99.713​

5​

Eastern View

Culpeper County

52021​

52,021​

1558​

45.635​

15.15​

29.3325​

7.2529​

2.375​

99.743​

4​

Courtland

Spotsylvania County

138493​

138493​

1557​

40.912​

24.34​

22.3507​

7.3218​

4.753​

99.679​

4​

King George

King George County

26597​

26597​

1489​

5.5984​

61.383​

18.6​

10.2082​

7.9248​

1.007​

99.127​

4​

Chancellor

Spotsylvania County

138493​

138493​

1400​

33.286​

21.64​

35.5714​

6.0714​

2.857​

99.429​

4​

Spotsylvania

Spotsylvania County

138493​

138493​

1389​

63.643​

11.74​

14.6148​

8.1353​

1.656​

99.784​

4​

Caroline

Caroline County

30681​

30681​

1251​

4.0774​

47.962​

27.98​

13.8289​

8.713​

0.799​

99.281​

4​

Culpeper County

Culpeper County

52021​

52021​

1224​

50.082​

10.38​

31.2908​

6.2908​

1.471​

99.51​

3​

James Monroe

Fredericksburg City

29092​

3956​

25136​

1002​

3.9863​

28.244​

35.73​

23.0539​

6.3872​

6.088​

99.501​

3​

Spotsylvania already needs another high school extremely soon. The price of construction is only going to go up the longer the county waits. There was a recent article in Inside NoVa which talks about the new Lake Ridge/Minnieville high school set to be built in Prince William County and how the price of that has ballooned to over $200 million from $100 million-plus. The governing body that has overseen over a 300% growth in four decades are too blind to see this.

For this year's budget, the county administrator revealed that there were still at least 3,000 or 4,000 dwellings still be built in Spotsylvania based on prior agreements with former and current incarnations of the Board of Supervisors. I'm anti-growth and this sickens me. Because of this growth which hasn't taken place yet combined with the growth the county has already experienced and the growth still to come, the trickle down effect will start to rear its head in the next decade. And it will come quick; eventually getting to the point of rapid school builds that we see in both Prince William and Loudoun Counties.

And there's an article in this morning's local paper talking about how King George wants to be the hub of data centers. Spotsylvania has also thrown their name in the hat to try to allure some of them as well. This will lure more people to eventually abandon the long trips and traffic to DC and Northern Virginia for work and remain locally therefore increasing the population and causing the need for more schools.

I think what will happen is that the additional Spotsylvania schools will be built to accommodate "AAA" sizes (Class 5 and 6) going forward. This will actually stretch the Commonwealth since Stafford County is going to open its sixth high school circa 2026. That would get the Commonwealth to eight schools. Another Spotsylvania school which will probably come on board in the early 2030s will give the Commonwealth nine. That gives the Commonwealth a little time before a Commonwealth/Cardinal split like we saw some decades back. I could eventually see an all-Stafford County AAA District when they hit seven or eight AAA high schools in that county and the Spotsylvania AAA schools (maybe when there are three or four of those) joining up with the Hanover AAA schools for a district maybe later on in our lifetimes.

Orange County and Louisa County are not getting any smaller so I think they both will eventually add a high school apiece in a decade or two. The Jefferson won't be able to accommodate all four (they are currently at eight). The Battlefield would have eight (maybe nine with a new high school in King George in a decade or two) so they can't take all four. Maybe we could see a future district that houses Eastern View, Culpeper County, Louisa County, Orange County, Louisa County #2, Orange County #2. I have heard that Louisa County's administration are infatuated with being connected with the Charlottesville-area schools so I could see them doing that.

As for James Monroe, attendance is slowly creeping up. The City of Fredericksburg is actually building a new, larger middle school to replace Walker-Grant. There isn't much land in the City to build so for Battlefield traditionalists, I could see James Monroe being capped as a Class 4 school with no need to build a second high school. I think the "new" James Monroe building has already had one expansion. They have a little bit of room on their campus to expand just a little bit more; but not much. Think George Mason in Falls Church for a comparison.

Caroline will see some overflow growth due to the fact that the cost of living in Spotsylvania (which the county heralds as "cheaper than other places") is starting to creep up. I'm not sure if the folks there are anticipating the growth that they may also receive as spillover in the next decade or two.

Although the style of play isn't all that great in the Battlefield (maybe one of the most underachieving districts in the state in the last two decades), having continuity and some tradition of having many of the same teams has been a blessing for those of us who grew up watching and playing in the district.

I love to prognosticate this stuff as sports have been my entire life. That's why I have posted twice my district setup if the VHSL went to districts based on schools sizes and geography. I enjoy following this stuff so much.

But nonetheless, this is the lay of the land in the Fredericksburg area for the next decade or two.

 

[blackknight_pride]

Spotsylvania already needs another high school extremely soon. The price of construction is only going to go up the longer the county waits. There was a recent article in Inside NoVa which talks about the new Lake Ridge/Minnieville high school set to be built in Prince William County and how the price of that has ballooned to over $200 million from $100 million-plus. The governing body that has overseen over a 300% growth in four decades are too blind to see this.

For this year's budget, the county administrator revealed that there were still at least 3,000 or 4,000 dwellings still be built in Spotsylvania based on prior agreements with former and current incarnations of the Board of Supervisors. I'm anti-growth and this sickens me. Because of this growth which hasn't taken place yet combined with the growth the county has already experienced and the growth still to come, the trickle down effect will start to rear its head in the next decade. And it will come quick; eventually getting to the point of rapid school builds that we see in both Prince William and Loudoun Counties.

And there's an article in this morning's local paper talking about how King George wants to be the hub of data centers. Spotsylvania has also thrown their name in the hat to try to allure some of them as well. This will lure more people to eventually abandon the long trips and traffic to DC and Northern Virginia for work and remain locally therefore increasing the population and causing the need for more schools.

I think what will happen is that the additional Spotsylvania schools will be built to accommodate "AAA" sizes (Class 5 and 6) going forward. This will actually stretch the Commonwealth since Stafford County is going to open its sixth high school circa 2026. That would get the Commonwealth to eight schools. Another Spotsylvania school which will probably come on board in the early 2030s will give the Commonwealth nine. That gives the Commonwealth a little time before a Commonwealth/Cardinal split like we saw some decades back. I could eventually see an all-Stafford County AAA District when they hit seven or eight AAA high schools in that county and the Spotsylvania AAA schools (maybe when there are three or four of those) joining up with the Hanover AAA schools for a district maybe later on in our lifetimes.

Orange County and Louisa County are not getting any smaller so I think they both will eventually add a high school apiece in a decade or two. The Jefferson won't be able to accommodate all four (they are currently at eight). The Battlefield would have eight (maybe nine with a new high school in King George in a decade or two) so they can't take all four. Maybe we could see a future district that houses Eastern View, Culpeper County, Louisa County, Orange County, Louisa County #2, Orange County #2. I have heard that Louisa County's administration are infatuated with being connected with the Charlottesville-area schools so I could see them doing that.

As for James Monroe, attendance is slowly creeping up. The City of Fredericksburg is actually building a new, larger middle school to replace Walker-Grant. There isn't much land in the City to build so for Battlefield traditionalists, I could see James Monroe being capped as a Class 4 school with no need to build a second high school. I think the "new" James Monroe building has already had one expansion. They have a little bit of room on their campus to expand just a little bit more; but not much. Think George Mason in Falls Church for a comparison.

Caroline will see some overflow growth due to the fact that the cost of living in Spotsylvania (which the county heralds as "cheaper than other places") is starting to creep up. I'm not sure if the folks there are anticipating the growth that they may also receive as spillover in the next decade or two.

Although the style of play isn't all that great in the Battlefield (maybe one of the most underachieving districts in the state in the last two decades), having continuity and some tradition of having many of the same teams has been a blessing for those of us who grew up watching and playing in the district.

I love to prognosticate this stuff as sports have been my entire life. That's why I have posted twice my district setup if the VHSL went to districts based on schools sizes and geography. I enjoy following this stuff so much.

But nonetheless, this is the lay of the land in the Fredericksburg area for the next decade or two.

I love this type of thing as well. I am a Jefferson District guy so I can speak on my knowledge on that side of Central VA a little bit.

I am glad that James Monroe will hopefully get bigger. I always root for city schools as I am a city school guy myself, I hope that they can return to relevance in a lot of the sports with the growth of the city.

As for Orange and Louisa, I like the take that they may get placed into a new district with the Culpeper schools and new high schools. I am not an expert at all on the growth of those counties, but I do know Louisa just made the jump from C4 to C5. On the other hand, though, Orange went from C5 to C4 a few years ago so they may be able to get away with one high school for a little longer.

As a Charlottesville guy, I always wished there was more crossover with the Battlefield. Louisa and Orange are the only teams traditionally that play with Battlefield teams in out of district schedules. We played Eastern View, Chancellor, and James Monroe in my time as a player and appreciated the Central VA crossover.

If there are new schools being built and new district need to be made, I am curious to see how the Jefferson will shape up. Charlottesville, Albemarle, Western Albemarle, Monticello, Fluvanna, and likely Goochland are sure to stay. William Monroe makes sense geographically but they just joined the valley. The other schools around are too small to want to join.

Here’s my super-idea that would never happen but what about a massive Central VA conference with a west and east division? Or maybe just two entirely separate districts that do a lot of crossover.

Battlefield West:
Albemarle
Louisa County
Orange County
Eastern View
Culpeper County
Charlottesville
Monticello
Western Albemarle
Fluvanna County

Battlefield East:
Chancellor
Courtland
James Monroe
King George
Caroline
Spotsylvania
Massaponax
New Spotsy school

This would never happen, especially with new schools being built but love to imagine. Love this type of stuff as well. Where did you post your proposed plan? Would love to see it.

 

[blackknight_pride]

Here’s a more realistic take.

Battlefield:
Chancellor
Courtland
James Monroe
Spotsylvania
King George
Caroline
King George #2

New Battlefield:
Eastern View
Orange
Louisa
Culpeper
Louisa #2
Orange #2?

Jefferson:
Albemarle
Charlottesville
Western
Fluvanna
Monticello
Goochland

This is what you were saying. Makes sense to me.

 

[OCBoy]

Culpeper High’s population is about to skyrocket with all the additional building being done in the northern part of the county near 229/211.

 

[17Bluebird]

How old is the battlefield district?

 

[NNDman]

Speaking of the Battlefield District, does anyone happen to know when KG began playing football at their old home stadium "The Pit?"

 

[OCBoy]

EV gets Amaree Robinson back after he attended Blue Ridge last year. He definitely will be a contributor, maybe more so come basketball season. If EV gets it’s line play and defense together they could sneak up on King George.

 

[BleedingNavy]

Who is going to be their quarterback? I know the starter from last year transferred.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

EV gets Amaree Robinson back after he attended Blue Ridge last year. He definitely will be a contributor, maybe more so come basketball season. If EV gets it’s line play and defense together they could sneak up on King George.

You think Brooke Point will have anything for KG?

 

[OCBoy]

Who is going to be their quarterback? I know the starter from last year transferred.

AP Hull. He was the kid who played most of the Hanover game at QB.

 

[OCBoy]

You think Brooke Point will have anything for KG?

Not sure.

 

[BleedingNavy]

AP Hull. He was the kid who played most of the Hanover game at QB.

Thanks. The Cyclones should be a factor this year. Their defense will surely be sound.

 

[cavaliers91]

EV gets Amaree Robinson back after he attended Blue Ridge last year. He definitely will be a contributor, maybe more so come basketball season. If EV gets it’s line play and defense together they could sneak up on King George.

Yeah I do not see EV sneaking up on King Geroge unless they pass defense is really good. They have 3 legit WRs now. The other kid is just as good as the two KG already had. Should have one of the top passing offenses in the state. I do think my Cavilers and Spotsy could contend for that number 2 spot in the district! Regular season should be a great one! I’m more excited for Region B playoffs it’s going to a good one. Good luck to your teams this year fellas and stay healthy

 

[OCBoy]

King George/Riverbend could be a good one too.

 

[cavaliers91]

Riverbend has a WR that is ultra talented. Not sure why he has not garnered some FCS offers. Kid is special. I agree that should be good one but riverbend did lose a lot.

 

[540 Athletes]

You think Brooke Point will have anything for KG?

Doubt that, may be close for a half