Coach on the field

[OMHDC]

I want to know why a coach is allowed to come on the field, at times almost to the hash mark when relaying the next play to his QB and this happens on almost every offensive play? A couple of times he had to walk within arms length of the side judge to do it. Is it a rule or isn't it and if it is why isn't it enforced ? Hell they penalize a team for breaking the huddle with twelve. Looks like to me having a coach on the field is the same thing.
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[Hampton Roads 6]

I think coach should not be allowed on field to send in play, nor should QB be allowed to go to sidelines to get play. Signal the plays in. I have been to games where out of the 48 minutes of play, 40 was spent having QB go to sideline and back.

 

[White hat]

as long as he doesn't delay the game and he's only talking to his players, and providing he's back in the team box before the snap, I'm not going to worry about it. If he's on the field carrying on, different story.

This rule is like a speed limit. A coach coming out to talk to his QB and getting back is like a driver going 37 when the speed limit is 35. Sure, the cop could write a ticket, but c'mon, what do you gain from that? Now, if there is a problem, the rule allows us a tool to take care of it. Most rules are like that -- they are ways to handle problems. If there is no problem, then don't create one.
This post was edited on 11/24 5:31 PM by White hat

 

[GoMBKMonarchs]

Please tell my that was exaggeration

You've been to games where 40 minutes of the 48 minutes was spent with the QB getting the play? It's up to the official to blow the ball set. Once he does, it doesn't matter if the QB comes to the side or plays are signaled in- they have a set time to snap the ball or there is a delay of game. As a coach, I always preferred my QB to come to me. I wanted to communicate- find out what he was seeing.

 

[OMHDC]

Is it a rule or not? Breaking the huddle with 12 men is a no harm no foul situation too isn't it? Selective enforcement?

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[White hat]

Breaking the huddle with 12 is a college rule, not a high school rule. In high school, if there are 11 in the huddle and a 12th comes in, someone better leave within three seconds or it's a foul. If the huddle breaks in that time, it's not a foul. The purpose of that rule is to prevent a team using subs to confuse the defense as to who is a receiver and who is leaving the field.

By the way, there is a lot of selective enforcement. If there wasn't there would be 50 flags in every game. Who wants to see that?

 

[infamous540]

Sounds like your watch is broken, I'm pretty sure It's mathematically impossible for 40 of the 48 minutes is spent with the QB going to the sidelines. If true there would only be like 20 plays run between the two teams. HR6 the master of exaggeration.

 

[OMHDC]

So with whom do you cover the coach ? Cornerback or OLB?
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[Hampton Roads 6]

Re: Please tell my that was exaggeration


It was somewhat of an exaggeration. I despise going to a game where the QB has to run to sideline to get play, and I wish they would outlaw it with a rules change. I have also been to many games where the ref will delay getting/blowing ball ready for play to allow QB time to go to sideline. If refs do their job properly, the QB will not have time to go to sideline after every play.

 

[White hat]

Re: Please tell my that was exaggeration


Um... again... I think we have an overexaggeration here. I will agree that if a referee is holding his whistle for the RFP so the QB can have a sideline powwow, then he is not doing his job. However, if it's done right that doesn't mean the QB can't get there and get back in time. If the line of scrimmage is between the 20s there shouldn't be any problem.

Personally, I don't look at at QB who goes to the sideline. Like nearly all referees, I have a routine I go through and knowing what the QB is doing is not part of it. I've trained myseld to know how long 12 seconds is, and I try to blow the RFP 12-13 seconds after the last play ends.

The only time I pay any attention to how the play comes in is when a team is using signals and the players are looking to the sideline. If I'm on the same side of the offense as their bench I don't want to get in the way so I stand still while they're looking over to the bench. Once they get it and move into formation, I get to my position, 14 yards behind the line and yard or two outside the tackle on QB's throwing side.

 

[GilliamRatings]

Re: Please tell my that was exaggeration

I agree, I'd like to see them outlaw the QB to the sideline. However, I think there's plenty of time for the QB to get to the sideline and I don't think slow referees have anything to do with it.

 

[GoMBKMonarchs]

Then why do you want it outlawed, Gilliam

When I coached, the QB was my coach on the field. I coached him to recognize and report to me what was happening. It was very important to me to have him come to the side. If the ref sets the ball fairly quickly and the 25 seconds is ticking away, what does it matter if the QB comes to the side, the play gets sent in through a sub or the play is signaled in from the side? I'm just trying to follow the logic.

 

[OMHDC]

Re: Then why do you want it outlawed, Gilliam

My point was a coach meeting his QB halfway between the hash and the sideline. I feel like that is an advantage that shouldn't be allowed. For instance, Coach meets QB, tells him to run a 26, I formation bread and butter, and then tells him to tell the end to kick out the DE instead of going up to a LB. Understand, this is only an example. It would be hard for a coach to make that adjustment from the sideline without the D hearing it. I think that is an advantage and ignoring it doesn't make it less of an advantage!
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[GoMBKMonarchs]

I gree with you, OMHDC

My question was for Gilliam, who didn't seem to think the QB coming over should be allowed. While I think it should be allowed and I like it, the coach should not be wandering onto the field- the QB needs to come over.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Re: I gree with you, OMHDC


Coach should stay off field, QB should stay at line of scrimmage. Coach then signals in play. QB runs play.

 

[GoMBKMonarchs]

Easy enough, HR6

When you are coaching a team, keep the QB on the field (off the line of scrimmage- he'll get clobbered), and you singal in the plays. But, as long as the QB makes it to the sideline, gets the play, makes the call and the ball is snapped before it's a penalty, there is nothing in the rules to prevent it, nro should there be.

 

[cpaluch0809]

lets just put headphones in the helmets like the pros so the coach and send it to the qb and lb.(get a grip) the smaller schools are hurt most because they cant get kids to play football signaling the play in can be a hard thing to do when you have guys going both ways for them to remember both sides of the ball playbook would be extreme let the coaches get them the play in there ear.

 

[White hat]

No one has to worry about that rule actually being changed -- quarterbacks will get to go to the sidelines for many years to come and I'm sure no discussion about it has ever been had in the discussions of the poobahs in Indianapolis. We can't even get reasonable rules changes made. You think something likely to incite actual disagreement stands a chance?

 

[Fadamor]

To White Hat who's wondering what's the advantage gained when the coach walks out onto the field to talk to his players, ask yourself WHY he's walking onto the field to do so. It's so he can talk to his players without the opposite sideline hearing what he's saying, OR he's trying to get closer so that he can be heard above the general din. In both cases, he's trying to get an advantage over the other coach because he's assuming the other coach is going to follow the rules. Unless you've told both coaches in advance that your crew is going to ignore the 15 yard penalty for coaches being on the field (Unsportsmanlike Conduct - rule 9-8-1i), you've created an unfair advantage yourself. Regardless of whether you've told them that or not, you've single-handedly made life more difficult for your wings due to allowing the coaches all over the field. You've taken a set rule that clearly defines what is acceptable and turned it into some gray, "Well he went out, but it wasn't far enough to flag" piece of crap. Congratulations. Yes, not every foul is flagged, but what intentionally doesn't get flagged is usually determined to have had no bearing on the play. Can you really say giving one coach a communications advantage over the other is not an advantage and thus, not have a bearing on the play? If so, then you're just lying to yourself. Finally, you are giving other crews a major headache by being one of those "we've been allowed to do this all year" problems that crews who actually enfore the rules have to deal with.

To the person who wants to make it illegal for a player to come within earshot of the coach after each play, are you SERIOUS? Just how in the heck would that be enforced? Notice I said "player" and not "quarterback". If you ban quarterbacks, then they'd just use another player to receive the instructions. In this I agree with White Hat. The referees should not (and haven't ever, in my experience) been delaying the ready for play whistle because a player was talking to the coach. Once that whistle blows, the offense has a set amount of time to get the snap off. As long as the player gets back to the huddle and the play goes off on time, there's no delay caused by the QB (or whomever) running to the side of the field every down. Personally, I think it just fatigues the QB by effectively doubling the amount of running they do in a game, but if that's the way they do things, then so be it.