Congrats to Altavista
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Gretna had it's run of athletes just like Altavista just had. They racked up plenty of state titles in football. Didn't do it in basketball but they were playing AA then. This Altavista team would not have won any state basketball titles had they not switched to 6 classifications. All schools go through cycles.
5 rings in a high school career. Very impressive for Thornhill and his talented crew. Congrats! Glad that I got to see them in both Football and Basketball and will be pulling for Thornhill's continued success in the ACC.
I asked who would benefit more from the close call with Galax? Well, it appears that the experience motivated A-Town to get the job done over a strong 28-2 Honaker squad. Imo, had AltaVista blown out Galax two days before (and remained overconfident etc.), maybe Honaker would have had enough to pull off the big upset today. Who knows? Just food for thought....
Excellent job on the mental aspect of the game (and adjustments). Many people only focus on the athleticism, plays, and ball skills. It's the state of mind that often wins it in the end.
Well done...However, as an old Region A fan, I hope that your run has come to it's end
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I asked who would benefit more from the close call with Galax? Well, it appears that the experience motivated A-Town to get the job done over a strong 28-2 Honaker squad. Imo, had AltaVista blown out Galax two days before (and remained overconfident etc.), maybe Honaker would have had enough to pull off the big upset today. Who knows? Just food for thought....
Excellent job on the mental aspect of the game (and adjustments). Many people only focus on the athleticism, plays, and ball skills. It's the state of mind that often wins it in the end.
Well done...However, as an old Region A fan, I hope that your run has come to it's end
.Nice post and analysis. To add to the AHS win over Galax, Honaker sat in the stands and watched the game. I would guess that from their point of view, they saw nothing special about the Colonels, or certainly that they matched up well and could handle the Colonels. You're right about the mental part of the game, this has been a special group that has relished the role of "the hunted." When it came down to it today, it was the will to win, and quite frankly, it was obvious that HHS had not seen the athleticism, length, and speed that they played against today.
Altavista 57, Honaker 44
ALTAVISTA (25-3)
Me. Maulbeck 7-15 3-4 20, Thornhill 5-9 0-4 11, Montague 0-3 2-4 2, De. Johnson 5-11 2-6 12, Da. Johnson 3-9 0-0 6, Ma. Maulbeck 0-0 0-0 0, Moorman 0-0 0-0 0, Witcher 0-0 0-0 0, Dews 2-6 0-0 6, McClure 0-0 0-0 0. Totals 22-53 7-18 57.
HONAKER (28-2)
Sample 0-4 0-0 0, Dye 2-10 4-8 9, Lester 2-8 0-0 5, Harman 5-7 0-0 10, Robinette 8-12 4-7 20, Hilton 0-0 0-0 0, B. Coleman 0-0 0-0 0, J. Coleman 0-1 0-0 0, Stinson 0-0 0-0 0. Totals 17-42 8-15 44.
Altavista 14 16 11 16 - 57
Honaker 14 10 10 10 - 44
3-Point Goals-Altavista 6-13 (Me. Maulbeck 3-5, Dews 2-5, Thornhill 1-2, Montague 0-1), Honaker 2-10 (Dye 1-2, Lester 1-5, Sample 0-3). Fouled Out-Dye. Rebounds-Altavista 38 (Da. Johnson 12), Honaker 26 (Robinette 11). Assists-Altavista 12 (Thornhill 6), Honaker 9 (Harman 3). Total Fouls-Altavista 12, Honaker 14.
ALTAVISTA (25-3)
Me. Maulbeck 7-15 3-4 20, Thornhill 5-9 0-4 11, Montague 0-3 2-4 2, De. Johnson 5-11 2-6 12, Da. Johnson 3-9 0-0 6, Ma. Maulbeck 0-0 0-0 0, Moorman 0-0 0-0 0, Witcher 0-0 0-0 0, Dews 2-6 0-0 6, McClure 0-0 0-0 0. Totals 22-53 7-18 57.
HONAKER (28-2)
Sample 0-4 0-0 0, Dye 2-10 4-8 9, Lester 2-8 0-0 5, Harman 5-7 0-0 10, Robinette 8-12 4-7 20, Hilton 0-0 0-0 0, B. Coleman 0-0 0-0 0, J. Coleman 0-1 0-0 0, Stinson 0-0 0-0 0. Totals 17-42 8-15 44.
Altavista 14 16 11 16 - 57
Honaker 14 10 10 10 - 44
3-Point Goals-Altavista 6-13 (Me. Maulbeck 3-5, Dews 2-5, Thornhill 1-2, Montague 0-1), Honaker 2-10 (Dye 1-2, Lester 1-5, Sample 0-3). Fouled Out-Dye. Rebounds-Altavista 38 (Da. Johnson 12), Honaker 26 (Robinette 11). Assists-Altavista 12 (Thornhill 6), Honaker 9 (Harman 3). Total Fouls-Altavista 12, Honaker 14.
I know basketball has been down for awhile, but when Gretna was good they were in the old AA. They year that Altavista won the title with Kenny Hunt Gretna handed them all 3 of their loses. The Dogwood was a split district then. Plus now their is a big difference between 2a now and 1a. When was the last time Altavista beat Dan River?
Dan River has certainly had their number the last few years, fortunately for the Colonels those losses mean diddly poo
During the "Hunt" era, Gretna beat Altavista 6 of 7, I believe. Coach C's coaching in that series was not so great. The Colonels have benefited greatly from the drop to 1A along with having tremendous talent for a small community. Mike Cartolaro is no question a knowledgeable coach at the lowest level of HS basketball, where there's less than a handful of good coaches in 1A period. Many wonder why he is still at Altavista when he has been so successful. He started his career at bigger programs, was average, and decided to "play down". He prefers to be the "big fish in the little pond". IMHO, he is a control freak that would not have the leverage or the competive resource advantage he presently has at the next levels, and I think he knows it.
Would someone care to post the ages of the starting five for Altavista this year? No names needed just ages.
This post was edited on 3/13 11:54 AM by SgtPeppers
Would someone care to post the ages of the starting five for Altavista this year? No names needed just ages.
This post was edited on 3/13 11:54 AM by SgtPeppers
I was speaking to a retired HOF coach the other week and was told he was 1 of 2 candidates that Harrisonburg narrowed it down to the other year. In the end, they decided to hire Joyner from Bruton, who won the state title over Gretna in 2000.
I wish there was a thumbs down button for that post. I love the series of backhanded compliments. Douche bag move if you ask me - 3 consecutive titles at any level says enough about Coach C's ability. I've seen him win games using different strategies - the guy can coach.
He was also a top candidate for the Emory & Henry job. I believe he was actually offered it but that is a rumor I cannot confirm.
Altavista's games vs Dan River
I honestly believe that Altavista playing Dan River was one of the best things for both teams. Every time they played, it was like a playoff or tournament game. Those battles brought the best out of each team and those losses that they had usually ended up being their last one of the last three seasons as they rolled through for three straight state titles!
As a huge Wildcat fan, I want to congratulate Altavista and Coach Cartolaro (also congrats on breaking the 500 win mark!) on their three-peat in basketball and repeat in football. That senior class with Maulbeck, Thornhill, and the Johnson twins were great adversaries over the years. I wish them the best in college and/or wherever they go next.
I honestly believe that Altavista playing Dan River was one of the best things for both teams. Every time they played, it was like a playoff or tournament game. Those battles brought the best out of each team and those losses that they had usually ended up being their last one of the last three seasons as they rolled through for three straight state titles!
As a huge Wildcat fan, I want to congratulate Altavista and Coach Cartolaro (also congrats on breaking the 500 win mark!) on their three-peat in basketball and repeat in football. That senior class with Maulbeck, Thornhill, and the Johnson twins were great adversaries over the years. I wish them the best in college and/or wherever they go next.
Like I said it was a rumor I had heard. From what I was told he was offered but the money wasn't right b/c he wouldn't be able to supplement his income by teaching classes at Emory. I believe coach c went there??? Division 3 coaches don't make a very good salary for the time they have to spend on the road, plus recruiting, etc. I was also told Cormany was on the short list of candidates for the job. Like I said just a rumor I heard.
Age ?
I believe the age question was asked because it's rumored that several members of this senior class were held back in 8th grade just for this purpose, to have a dominating class at the 1a level.
I believe the age question was asked because it's rumored that several members of this senior class were held back in 8th grade just for this purpose, to have a dominating class at the 1a level.
Re: Age ?
I agree with you Colonel Crazie. Who cares? They were all eligible and they dominated for 3 years not just one. They were all eligible PERIOD.. Sergeant has some issues.
I agree with you Colonel Crazie. Who cares? They were all eligible and they dominated for 3 years not just one. They were all eligible PERIOD.. Sergeant has some issues.
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This what USA has come ? A man Has won over 500 games. 4 State Champ and all people can try to bring him down really??? #HATERS the man can't win for nothing.SMH
This what USA has come ? A man Has won over 500 games. 4 State Champ and all people can try to bring him down really??? #HATERS the man can't win for nothing.SMH
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Coach C is a great coach, no one is doubting that. But kids being held back in school just so they can dominate in sports seems fishy. Yes I know it was all within the rules, but that doesn't make if ethically right.
Coach C is a great coach, no one is doubting that. But kids being held back in school just so they can dominate in sports seems fishy. Yes I know it was all within the rules, but that doesn't make if ethically right.
Re: Age ?
What is ethically not right as long as it is within the rules? The age rules were originally established for just that reason Kids are held back all the time for lots of different reasons. What if parents had done it looking to get some separation between those kids and older siblings just to manage future college tuition bills coming due. Sounds more like sour grapes to me from others who either didn't think of doing it or didn't have kids whose ability would have made a difference. Congrats to the Colonels on the championship and if that truly was their plan kudos for the foresight to implement the plan with a view to the long term.
What is ethically not right as long as it is within the rules? The age rules were originally established for just that reason Kids are held back all the time for lots of different reasons. What if parents had done it looking to get some separation between those kids and older siblings just to manage future college tuition bills coming due. Sounds more like sour grapes to me from others who either didn't think of doing it or didn't have kids whose ability would have made a difference. Congrats to the Colonels on the championship and if that truly was their plan kudos for the foresight to implement the plan with a view to the long term.
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Even though I think Coach C is a great coach, he has always been a guy who has tried to stretch the rules or change things in his favor. Whether that's right or wrong is your own opinion. But he was unable to dominate the Seminole so then he lobbied for the Dogwood District. Then he was unable to dominate that so he lobbied for the division splits. Now holding kids back so they can build a super team. I understand that it's all legal, but doesn't seem very sportsman like.
Even though I think Coach C is a great coach, he has always been a guy who has tried to stretch the rules or change things in his favor. Whether that's right or wrong is your own opinion. But he was unable to dominate the Seminole so then he lobbied for the Dogwood District. Then he was unable to dominate that so he lobbied for the division splits. Now holding kids back so they can build a super team. I understand that it's all legal, but doesn't seem very sportsman like.
Re: Age ?
I recall all those kids on JV in 8th Grade. Never though then, they'd end up all those state championships.
I recall all those kids on JV in 8th Grade. Never though then, they'd end up all those state championships.
Proof?
Any proof or just "i heard a guy." Coach C is an educator, he doesn't teach P.E. like most coaches (not that there is anything wrong with that) but he teaches social studies so he understands the jump in the dropout rate of an 19 year old vs. an 18 year old. So you saying a teacher held students back to get a better team... if you have proof of this report it. BUT you don't have any proof other than forum gossip. Instead of saying, look it's a kid that had trouble but worked through it and stuck it out to graduation people are trying to find something/anything to explain why they lost.
Any proof or just "i heard a guy." Coach C is an educator, he doesn't teach P.E. like most coaches (not that there is anything wrong with that) but he teaches social studies so he understands the jump in the dropout rate of an 19 year old vs. an 18 year old. So you saying a teacher held students back to get a better team... if you have proof of this report it. BUT you don't have any proof other than forum gossip. Instead of saying, look it's a kid that had trouble but worked through it and stuck it out to graduation people are trying to find something/anything to explain why they lost.
Re: Proof?
LMAO....he held them back because he's a social studies teacher not a PE teacher, really, now that's a reach if I ever read one. I guess the fact it benefited his team was just a bonus......I think I cracked a rib laughing at that crap. If what he did is within the rules then so be it, but don't assume everyone on this board is a complete idiot.
LMAO....he held them back because he's a social studies teacher not a PE teacher, really, now that's a reach if I ever read one. I guess the fact it benefited his team was just a bonus......I think I cracked a rib laughing at that crap. If what he did is within the rules then so be it, but don't assume everyone on this board is a complete idiot.
Re: Proof?
What I'm LMAO about is you people coming on here believing coach c has that kind of power and give the impression he is in some dark room twisting his mustache like some sort of villain just to win state championships. Put down the tin foil hats people.
What I'm LMAO about is you people coming on here believing coach c has that kind of power and give the impression he is in some dark room twisting his mustache like some sort of villain just to win state championships. Put down the tin foil hats people.
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I'm not sure that was what he was saying. I read it as him saying that a teacher/educator would understand holding kids back is even riskier given the increasing drop out rate of 19 year olds compared to 18 year olds and making that decision even less likely to have come from the Coach. The entire discussion is pretty funny because not once has anybody even mentioned that a decision of this type would require the parents as well as the kids to be on board so its not just a single person making the call. Furthermore, it is within the rules as currently structured. It's a bunch of sour grapes from some who did not have enough talent to actually get it done on the court IMO. Congrats to the Colonels and just ignore the BS and envy. 5 rings is a great high school career.
I'm not sure that was what he was saying. I read it as him saying that a teacher/educator would understand holding kids back is even riskier given the increasing drop out rate of 19 year olds compared to 18 year olds and making that decision even less likely to have come from the Coach. The entire discussion is pretty funny because not once has anybody even mentioned that a decision of this type would require the parents as well as the kids to be on board so its not just a single person making the call. Furthermore, it is within the rules as currently structured. It's a bunch of sour grapes from some who did not have enough talent to actually get it done on the court IMO. Congrats to the Colonels and just ignore the BS and envy. 5 rings is a great high school career.
Re: Proof?
I have heard that holding kids back a year, is really big in Texas for football. It's called "gray shirting".
I have heard that holding kids back a year, is really big in Texas for football. It's called "gray shirting".
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