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Excuses cannot be explained away with stats, video or facts. Reasons can be explained with stats, video or facts. WP coaches are full of excuses and blame their losses on the players instead of owning their poor game time coaching decisions.

Myth: I'm only complaining now because I'm no longer a coach.
Fact: I was extremely vocal for the past 4 seasons about the coaching and lack of discipline, which is the sole reason I was not asked back for 2017. 2016 was an 8-2 season and we went 4-6. 2017 was a 10-0 season and we are 7-2. Apparently, I'm not the only one surprised by our loss considering that everyone on this forum but KW fans predicted WP would beat KW.

A prime example: We lost last year to Middlesex 21-20. We had a back averaging 3.7 ypc that got 23 carries and we had a back averaging 26 yards per carry that got 5 carries. Then, with 54 seconds left in the game and down 20-21, the HC goes for a PAT kick to tie the game?! We had two backs averaging 11 yards and 26 yards respectively and you don't run either of them for 2.5 yards to win the game? At the end of the game the HC went on an on-field tirade blaming the players for the loss and said the loss was not a coaching problem. That was the beginning of the end for my desire to be associated with that coach. Other 2016 loses were similar. Stats are free, go look at them. Free video is out there too. And now he robs our seniors (and other players) of the opportunity to beat KW at home for Senior Night, blames the players and accepts no responsibility for the loss?

Myth: I was fired as a volunteer coach.
Fact: I had already decided before Christmas, December 2016 that I was not going to be a volunteer coach if I were asked to return for 2017. The HC did not speak to me about coming back until 3 months later in March. My decision was based on the HC losing games that we should have won and blaming the players for the loses. We had paid coaches not watching scout film or our own game film and coming to practice on a Monday with no offense or defense game plan because the HC didn't coordinate to exchange scout film. Discipline was a problem and I was not supported on enforcing discipline. Discipline is still a problem--look at our penalties and penalty yards per game. I was not welcomed back because I was the only one vocal (aka complaining) about trying to become a winning team. Having coached for championship teams, I know the fundamentals that the coaching staff needs to do and WP hasn't done them under the current HC. So the squeaky wheel gets the lube. If the WP coaching staff thinks they are doing everything they need to do as a coaching staff, then I'll just ask "how's those losses working for you?" IMO, they have lost for so long, they have become accepting of just having a winning season riding the coat tails of cyclical talent.

Myth: #23 and #44 are LINEBACKERs and not really running backs.
Fact: Both backs lead the team in ypc and tackles. Stats clearly prove they are both the team's best LBs and the team's best RBs. Yet, they are regulated to just a few carries a game while RBs with half the ypc get 2x to 4x the carries a game. And we lose games because of it. To further show his ignorance of a simple mathematical rule "average", the HC has stated numerous times that #23 and #44's ypc would go down if they were given more carries. Both of their ypc have remained consistent when they were given more than 5 carries and other RBs ypc have remained consistent with 20+ carries. That's why it is called an average.

Myth: #23 and #44 do not have the stamina to have more carries per game.
Fact: Both have 2-3x the yards per carry than the other backs (while playing both ways--#44 is also the kicker and punter) . Other backs getting 2-3x as many carries are averaging 2x to 3x less yards per carry. Stats would suggest that the opposite is true: the backs with higher ypc playing both ways and special teams can handle more carries and the backs with lower ypc may need a break? Against KW, #23 had 5 carries for almost 60 yards--that doesn't suggest to me that he was winded. #44 had over 150 yards on 11 carries--that doesn't suggest to me that he was winded. #44 and #23 lead the team in tackles, 13 and 12 respectively--that doesn't suggest to me that they were winded. And they both accomplished this while playing injured where the other two backs with lower ypc were healthy. That doesn't suggest to me that they are winded. These two players lead the team on both sides of the ball, but to listen to the coaches, they are too winded to get just 5 more carries each in a game in order to win. So we cling to this convenient myth and lose. If either #23 or #44 dropped to 6 yards a carry, then maybe give him a breather. Nobody who has ever watched #44 play a full game can say he is too winded to have 20 carries a game. He had a 62 yard TD run the previous week with under a minute left in the game after playing just about every down. That doesn't suggest to me that he's too winded. The truth is that the HC has no clue to what their carrying capacity is for #23 or #44 because he's never given them the opportunity to carry more in a game. Do the math. WP had 48 offensive plays. #23 had 5 carries, and #44 had 11 carries. Simple math shows that #44 stayed on the offense for an additional 37 plays to block for other runners. But he doesn't have the endurance to get just 5 more carries? The coaches have an excuse for everything. They are leaving 100+ rushing yards on the field every game by not running #23 and #44 more.

Myth: I only want my son to get more carries.
Fact: I don't care who carries the ball so long as we win. Anyone who knows me since my son played youth ball when he was 7 knows this to be true. Win the game first, then rest your best 11 and sub other lesser skilled players in. Play your best 11 and win the game first! The irony is that the way WP runs the spread is only setting up our lesser productive RB for failure and is the real reason his ypc are low. During the 2016 season, I advocated for this same RB to get more carries over a less productive RB that was the HC's "chosen one". As a result of me "complaining" the underclass RB got more carries and got his 1,000+ yard season that he would have otherwise not had the carries for if it were not for me "complaining". But I guess the WP coaches attacking me now have forgot about that. My "complaining" this year is advocating to play the best 11 on offense until someone does need a breather in order to go up early and win the game. That includes using #23 or #44 as a lead blocker for less productive backs. It is absolutely moronic to send the smallest back we have between the tackles without a lead blocker when scout tape has proven that the D is keying the guards and are attacking play side. So you end up with a 155# back against 2 or more bigger LBs. It's just a stupid game plan when you have two true FBs to block for him.

Myth: The RB with the lowest ypc two low ypc because the defense is keying on him.
Fact: Film clearly shows KW keyed the guards; same with other teams we've played. But here is another great irony: Clinging to this myth only exposes how bad our coaches are. Because if you "think" this is true, why do you keep giving the most carries to the RB that the defense is allegedly keying on? That's just plain dumb So, let's keep running the back that the defense is keying on and further suppress his ypc!! Absolutely indefensible excuse. WP HC is probably the only coach I know who's offensive strategy is to give the most carries to the least productive RBs and then blames the loss on his players. If you want to ignore video and insist a RB is being keyed by the defense, then why not run other backs to get the defense to stop keying on him. Just more excuses for bad coaching. Newsflash: He's not being keyed. He's being stopped because your OC sends him tackle to tackle without a lead block.

Lastly, #23 and #44 have played the last 7 games with separated shoulders and the coaches know this. Yet, the coaches placed the blame squarely on those two kids at halftime for the halftime score, saying they played like soft bi#$es. What coach says that to their players knowing full well that they are giving 100% while playing injured?

I'm sorry the truth hurts anyone's feelings. Now we have WP coaches being "thought control police" on social media and threatening me to "keep my mouth shut on social media or else". But I challenge anyone to present a stat or fact (not an excuse) that rebuts what I've posted. To the WP coaches, I just say please stop making excuses, stop blaming the players and adjust your spread with personal and formations that give us a better chance to win against better teams. And stop blaming the players for what is clearly a coaching loss.
 
I don't know man. Not sure what this is accomplishing for you here. Maybe this is therapeutic or something. Whenever one has to clarify how what they are doing is not whining, it is whining. (Equate it to having to explaining a joke) And usually when someone waits to post something because it wouldn't be professional or respectful prior to that, it is best to never post it.
Good luck to you in the future as well as these you care about. I doubt this post helps anyone, especially yourself. Maybe you should have slept on this one.
 
I don't know man. Not sure what this is accomplishing for you here. Maybe this is therapeutic or something. Whenever one has to clarify how what they are doing is not whining, it is whining. (Equate it to having to explaining a joke) And usually when someone waits to post something because it wouldn't be professional or respectful prior to that, it is best to never post it.
Good luck to you in the future as well as these you care about. I doubt this post helps anyone, especially yourself. Maybe you should have slept on this one.
Agreed.
 
This has made the day pass so much better. I can't wait to see what will be posted when I roll in to work tomorrow. Sometimes the Dumpster fire is the best way to keep warm.
 
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Do you think going on a message board where none of us are from West Point is going to do you any good? If you've already tried talking to administrators (and I feel confident you probably have) and it didn't bring about your desired change, then sit down and be quiet and just watch the games. All you are doing now is embarrassing your son. Whether you believe it or not, he probably isn't happy that his dad just wrote an essay on the message board.
 
I don't know what is true but that was the biggest bitch session I have ever witnessed on this board. What I do know is true is there is NO way West Point is a 8-2 team in 2016 saw them on film several times early and in person once. They couldnt cover the pass or pass the ball if their lives depended on it. Very unathletic even by West Point standards. I do remember the backs and they had some talented between the tackles kids (#11, #12, #23 and #44) but none of them had any breakaway speed and all seemed to be pretty even in all the games I saw. Dude dont know you but do yourself a favor and chill out. Your kid is somewhere hoping your WiFi kicks out. He still has to finish the season out with these kids and coaches that you have isolated him from. You will have plenty of time to cry when yall leave the playoffs after the first game
 
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Excuses cannot be explained away with stats, video or facts. Reasons can be explained with stats, video or facts. WP coaches are full of excuses and blame their losses on the players instead of owning their poor game time coaching decisions.

Myth: I'm only complaining now because I'm no longer a coach.
Fact: I was extremely vocal for the past 4 seasons about the coaching and lack of discipline, which is the sole reason I was not asked back for 2017. 2016 was an 8-2 season and we went 4-6. 2017 was a 10-0 season and we are 7-2. Apparently, I'm not the only one surprised by our loss considering that everyone on this forum but KW fans predicted WP would beat KW.

A prime example: We lost last year to Middlesex 21-20. We had a back averaging 3.7 ypc that got 23 carries and we had a back averaging 26 yards per carry that got 5 carries. Then, with 54 seconds left in the game and down 20-21, the HC goes for a PAT kick to tie the game?! We had two backs averaging 11 yards and 26 yards respectively and you don't run either of them for 2.5 yards to win the game? At the end of the game the HC went on an on-field tirade blaming the players for the loss and said the loss was not a coaching problem. That was the beginning of the end for my desire to be associated with that coach. Other 2016 loses were similar. Stats are free, go look at them. Free video is out there too. And now he robs our seniors (and other players) of the opportunity to beat KW at home for Senior Night, blames the players and accepts no responsibility for the loss?

Myth: I was fired as a volunteer coach.
Fact: I had already decided before Christmas, December 2016 that I was not going to be a volunteer coach if I were asked to return for 2017. The HC did not speak to me about coming back until 3 months later in March. My decision was based on the HC losing games that we should have won and blaming the players for the loses. We had paid coaches not watching scout film or our own game film and coming to practice on a Monday with no offense or defense game plan because the HC didn't coordinate to exchange scout film. Discipline was a problem and I was not supported on enforcing discipline. Discipline is still a problem--look at our penalties and penalty yards per game. I was not welcomed back because I was the only one vocal (aka complaining) about trying to become a winning team. Having coached for championship teams, I know the fundamentals that the coaching staff needs to do and WP hasn't done them under the current HC. So the squeaky wheel gets the lube. If the WP coaching staff thinks they are doing everything they need to do as a coaching staff, then I'll just ask "how's those losses working for you?" IMO, they have lost for so long, they have become accepting of just having a winning season riding the coat tails of cyclical talent.

Myth: #23 and #44 are LINEBACKERs and not really running backs.
Fact: Both backs lead the team in ypc and tackles. Stats clearly prove they are both the team's best LBs and the team's best RBs. Yet, they are regulated to just a few carries a game while RBs with half the ypc get 2x to 4x the carries a game. And we lose games because of it. To further show his ignorance of a simple mathematical rule "average", the HC has stated numerous times that #23 and #44's ypc would go down if they were given more carries. Both of their ypc have remained consistent when they were given more than 5 carries and other RBs ypc have remained consistent with 20+ carries. That's why it is called an average.

Myth: #23 and #44 do not have the stamina to have more carries per game.
Fact: Both have 2-3x the yards per carry than the other backs (while playing both ways--#44 is also the kicker and punter) . Other backs getting 2-3x as many carries are averaging 2x to 3x less yards per carry. Stats would suggest that the opposite is true: the backs with higher ypc playing both ways and special teams can handle more carries and the backs with lower ypc may need a break? Against KW, #23 had 5 carries for almost 60 yards--that doesn't suggest to me that he was winded. #44 had over 150 yards on 11 carries--that doesn't suggest to me that he was winded. #44 and #23 lead the team in tackles, 13 and 12 respectively--that doesn't suggest to me that they were winded. And they both accomplished this while playing injured where the other two backs with lower ypc were healthy. That doesn't suggest to me that they are winded. These two players lead the team on both sides of the ball, but to listen to the coaches, they are too winded to get just 5 more carries each in a game in order to win. So we cling to this convenient myth and lose. If either #23 or #44 dropped to 6 yards a carry, then maybe give him a breather. Nobody who has ever watched #44 play a full game can say he is too winded to have 20 carries a game. He had a 62 yard TD run the previous week with under a minute left in the game after playing just about every down. That doesn't suggest to me that he's too winded. The truth is that the HC has no clue to what their carrying capacity is for #23 or #44 because he's never given them the opportunity to carry more in a game. Do the math. WP had 48 offensive plays. #23 had 5 carries, and #44 had 11 carries. Simple math shows that #44 stayed on the offense for an additional 37 plays to block for other runners. But he doesn't have the endurance to get just 5 more carries? The coaches have an excuse for everything. They are leaving 100+ rushing yards on the field every game by not running #23 and #44 more.

Myth: I only want my son to get more carries.
Fact: I don't care who carries the ball so long as we win. Anyone who knows me since my son played youth ball when he was 7 knows this to be true. Win the game first, then rest your best 11 and sub other lesser skilled players in. Play your best 11 and win the game first! The irony is that the way WP runs the spread is only setting up our lesser productive RB for failure and is the real reason his ypc are low. During the 2016 season, I advocated for this same RB to get more carries over a less productive RB that was the HC's "chosen one". As a result of me "complaining" the underclass RB got more carries and got his 1,000+ yard season that he would have otherwise not had the carries for if it were not for me "complaining". But I guess the WP coaches attacking me now have forgot about that. My "complaining" this year is advocating to play the best 11 on offense until someone does need a breather in order to go up early and win the game. That includes using #23 or #44 as a lead blocker for less productive backs. It is absolutely moronic to send the smallest back we have between the tackles without a lead blocker when scout tape has proven that the D is keying the guards and are attacking play side. So you end up with a 155# back against 2 or more bigger LBs. It's just a stupid game plan when you have two true FBs to block for him.

Myth: The RB with the lowest ypc two low ypc because the defense is keying on him.
Fact: Film clearly shows KW keyed the guards; same with other teams we've played. But here is another great irony: Clinging to this myth only exposes how bad our coaches are. Because if you "think" this is true, why do you keep giving the most carries to the RB that the defense is allegedly keying on? That's just plain dumb So, let's keep running the back that the defense is keying on and further suppress his ypc!! Absolutely indefensible excuse. WP HC is probably the only coach I know who's offensive strategy is to give the most carries to the least productive RBs and then blames the loss on his players. If you want to ignore video and insist a RB is being keyed by the defense, then why not run other backs to get the defense to stop keying on him. Just more excuses for bad coaching. Newsflash: He's not being keyed. He's being stopped because your OC sends him tackle to tackle without a lead block.

Lastly, #23 and #44 have played the last 7 games with separated shoulders and the coaches know this. Yet, the coaches placed the blame squarely on those two kids at halftime for the halftime score, saying they played like soft bi#$es. What coach says that to their players knowing full well that they are giving 100% while playing injured?

I'm sorry the truth hurts anyone's feelings. Now we have WP coaches being "thought control police" on social media and threatening me to "keep my mouth shut on social media or else". But I challenge anyone to present a stat or fact (not an excuse) that rebuts what I've posted. To the WP coaches, I just say please stop making excuses, stop blaming the players and adjust your spread with personal and formations that give us a better chance to win against better teams. And stop blaming the players for what is clearly a coaching loss.
I cringed reading that, imagine how your son feels. No way he is proud of that
 
Have you ever thought of relocating? There are plenty of nice properties in Richmond County. Rapp is returning 85% of their starting offense and defense (Future is promising) and has very good academics along with a great baseball program. If your son is #23 or #44 (both I think are very good LBs) I'm sure they would fit right in down here in good old Warsaw with the Raiders lol Yall don't mind me but its worth a try lol #ImJustSaying
 
Have you ever thought of relocating? There are plenty of nice properties in Richmond County. Rapp is returning 85% of their starting offense and defense (Future is promising) and has very good academics along with a great baseball program. If your son is #23 or #44 (both I think are very good LBs) I'm sure they would fit right in down here in good old Warsaw with the Raiders lol Yall don't mind me but its worth a try lol #ImJustSaying
Even this guy said "very good LBs" ... watch out, he will be mad you didn't say they are good RBs too.
 
Well as he stated, they didn't get that many carries vs Rapp lol......I'm sure their avg per carry would go up in Warsaw. As Rb's they run the ball very well, good hard nose Rb's.
 
Have you ever thought of relocating? There are plenty of nice properties in Richmond County. Rapp is returning 85% of their starting offense and defense (Future is promising) and has very good academics along with a great baseball program. If your son is #23 or #44 (both I think are very good LBs) I'm sure they would fit right in down here in good old Warsaw with the Raiders lol Yall don't mind me but its worth a try lol #ImJustSaying

Think about what you are saying "Do you really want that headache" Not the kid but the parent complaining
 
Think about what you are saying "Do you really want that headache" Not the kid but the parent complaining

You can speak with any number of coaches my son has played for since he was 7. I've never complained. There is a huge issue with the coaching at WPHS and everyone wants to dismiss my posts as "complaining". My son has been asked to play for other teams, 2A to 6A because they've seen him play, (apparently, they've seen him play winded and still want him). I'm pretty sure everyone here realizes that families cannot simply pick up and leave. We are in that situation and everyone's solution for me is to shut up and just take it? I don't think that is a fair position to force me to take.
 
Well as he stated, they didn't get that many carries vs Rapp lol......I'm sure their avg per carry would go up in Warsaw. As Rb's they run the ball very well, good hard nose Rb's.

In the Rapp game, WP was down by 6 points the entire game until 1:12 left in the game. 44 went into that game averaging 9.9 YPC. 44 had one carry in the 2nd QTR. His second carry came at 1:12 left in the game for a 30 yard TD. He kicked the PAT to win the game 7-6.

Why would you give 18 carries to a RB averaging 3.8 YPC when you are down by 6 for the entire game when you have a RB averaging 3x the YPC and you've only given him 1 touch? And nobody sees a problem with WP coaching?

There's a lot to talk about all season. I've just remained quiet. Losing to KW was just the final straw. Maybe I should have been posting all season instead of waiting until the end of the season.
 
Have you ever thought of relocating? There are plenty of nice properties in Richmond County. Rapp is returning 85% of their starting offense and defense (Future is promising) and has very good academics along with a great baseball program. If your son is #23 or #44 (both I think are very good LBs) I'm sure they would fit right in down here in good old Warsaw with the Raiders lol Yall don't mind me but its worth a try lol #ImJustSaying

Does the Rappahannock coach play kids and nominate kids based off stats and performance or by what grade they are in or who their daddy is? That would be factors to consider.

#44 doesn't play baseball, he does soccer and track in the spring, winded of course since he attends both practices.

He was WP's #12 at the Region playoffs at Rappahannock. WP lost 2-1 if I recall. He played the entire game, (winded of course). He made 1st team district, conference and 2nd team Region as a freshman, because his soccer coach put him up based on stats and performance and not grade. Rappahannock has an excellent soccer program by the way, so I'm not sure y'all could use him?

As far as track goes, he EARNED Track MVP of the year as a freshman. He placed in all of his 5 events; 100m, 200m, 4x100m and throws the shot and discus. He was of course winded running back and forth to compete in all of those events. He medaled at State as a member of the 4x100. Look him up on MileSplit.com. I love MileSplit because you can do side by side comparison of two track athletes and you can see where they stand in the district, region, state and by grade. Can't make excuses for an athlete on that website.

Yes, #44 has been asked by others from 2A up to 6A that have coached him before or who have watched him play (winded). But why should relocation be the only option in order for an athlete to be properly utilized on the field in order to win games?
 
Two things from my perspective:

1)Kill the winded joke. I think i was the only one who made reference to WP's offense seeming winded in the 4th quarter when they needed to run hurry up. It has nothing to do with #44 specifically. You hurt your larger points when you keep bringing that up. I know the coach thinks he & #23 need regular breathers, but that's for you to discuss with Briggs. NO ONE ON HERE is saying that.

#2) Leaving WP to play football at another school is foolish unless your kid is a poor student. WP's academic excellence opens A LOT of college doors. No disrespect to Rapp, but I can safely say without looking it up that their academic ranking is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than WP.

All the best to your kid & WP's whole team in the playoffs!
 
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Well the Rapp thing was sorta a joke so I'll bow out of this convo b/c it seems like folks down WP have some things to work out.....Good Luck
 
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Two things from my perspective:

1)Kill the winded joke. I think i was the only one who made reference to WP's offense seeming winded in the 4th quarter when they needed to run hurry up. It has nothing to do with #44 specifically. You hurt your larger points when you keep bringing that up. I know the coach thinks he & #23 need regular breathers, but that's for you to discuss with Briggs. NO ONE ON HERE is saying that.

#2) Leaving WP to play football at another school is foolish unless your kid is a poor student. WP's academic excellence opens A LOT of college doors. No disrespect to Rapp, but I can safely say without looking it up that their academic ranking is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than WP.

All the best to your kid & WP's whole team in the playoffs!
You might want to Look up Rapps academic ranking then....
 
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