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Any thoughts? Should be a good battle against 2 very good 2A teams. Graham's defense has improved from last season, but the offense didn't click against a quality team in Bluefield, WV in week 1. Graham and Giles both destroyed weaker opponents this week. How does everybody see this one playing out?

Graham's D-1 recruit Cooke will have to step up in this one. He was the difference in last year's contest between Graham and Giles. How he plays could decide this one as well. Bluefield limited him to just a couple of big plays. I think he needs to have several big plays for Graham to be able to beat Giles. Graham has struggled with the kicking game and that could end up biting them in a close contest.

I'll say a close battle with Graham getting the edge at home. 23-20
 
Giles wins this one by a bunch. 31-17 Giles by 2 TD's. Giles will not move the ball as consistently as they did on BBurg as Giles would drive a bunch of yards, then not score down in BB-Burg territory, but Giles will score this game with huge plays. Discipline or lack of it will hurt Graham. For Giles, they will play a cover 1 or some variation of it when the ball is snapped all game with the safety providing help on Cooke and going one on one with the other Graham receivers forcing the Graham QB to complete passes, and of course, playing run. Graham will get some points, but it will not be enough. I know Giles fans, you don't play cover 1 and nobody knows your program unless you are the coach of Giles, a Giles fan, or a former player, and it's a matter of time before one of the Giles fans responds with some post stating, "we have never played a cover one and never will and you don't know what you are talking about because you aren't a Giles fan". I get it. Save the post.

Like I wrote, when the ball is snapped, and after the Giles coaching staff watches the Bluefield and Graham tape, you can bet than not only Giles, but every team Graham faces will play some version of a cover one defense on Graham with their QB situation. A cover one being one on one defense with Graham WR's with safety help on Cooke, which is essentially a double team on Cooke, and walking 1 up in the box at the snap with watch is essentially 8 in the box when the ball is snapped which is to stop the anticipated run. Giles wins by 2 TDs. Graham doesn't have any type of passing game and if an opponent gets into a running the ball slugfest with Giles, Giles usually wins. Blacksburg has major success throwing the ball on Giles, even with Beck in the backfield. Graham doesn't have that passing threat. 31-17 Giles and the Giles team goes to 2-1 on the year, and Graham goes to 1-2.
 
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Giles wins this one by a bunch. 31-17 Giles by 2 TD's. Giles will not move the ball as consistently as they did on BBurg as Giles would drive a bunch of yards, then not score down in BB-Burg territory, but Giles will score this game with huge plays. Discipline or lack of it will hurt Graham. For Giles, they will play a cover 1 or some variation of it when the ball is snapped all game with the safety providing help on Cooke and going one on one with the other Graham receivers forcing the Graham QB to complete passes, and of course, playing run. Graham will get some points, but it will not be enough. I know Giles fans, you don't play cover 1 and nobody knows your program unless you are the coach of Giles, a Giles fan, or a former player, and it's a matter of time before one of the Giles fans responds with some post stating, "we have never played a cover one and never will and you don't know what you are talking about because you aren't a Giles fan". I get it. Save the post.

Like I wrote, when the ball is snapped, and after the Giles coaching staff watches the Bluefield and Graham tape, you can bet than not only Giles, but every team Graham faces will play some version of a cover one defense on Graham with their QB situation. A cover one being one on one defense with Graham WR's with safety help on Cooke, which is essentially a double team on Cooke, and walking 1 up in the box at the snap with watch is essentially 8 in the box when the ball is snapped which is to stop the anticipated run. Giles wins by 2 TDs. Graham doesn't have any type of passing game and if an opponent gets into a running the ball slugfest with Giles, Giles usually wins. Blacksburg has major success throwing the ball on Giles, even with Beck in the backfield. Graham doesn't have that passing threat. 31-17 Giles and the Giles team goes to 2-1 on the year, and Graham goes to 1-2.

Have you seen lack of discipline in the Graham defense? They've only given up one touchdown through the first two games, and that wasn't on a big play.
 
Graham's defense has faced a Bluefield team that is good, but 7-3, and exiting in the 2nd, 3rd at most round of the playoffs. Bluefield is handicapped at QB and has no QB that can throw. Tazewell may be the worst Class AA playing football team in VA over the last 3 decades and will likely not win a game. Giles is another level on the line of scrimmage and a far better OL than Bluefield, and Bluefield had success running the ball on Graham. The discipline part comes in with the Coaching. Whether it's the big run by Bluefield that led to a score, or in the INT thrown by the Graham QB, or the fumble at the goal line, undisciplined teams ALWAYS have 2-3 plays per game which are game changing. Against a team like Bluefield that is similar in talent, it can be the difference by inches in who wins. Against a team like Giles that is 10 points better, it will result in a 2 TD loss in my opinion. A team that is coached like Graham will always make that 1 or 2 boneheaded or lack of focus plays that costs them against similar talent. Against a team like Tazewell, it is masked. Giles will unmask it.
 
As a Graham fan, I feel that Allen will continue to improve throughout the season. If Cooke is doubled, he needs to look at his other receivers because they were open on several occasions while Cooke was double or triple covered. The other receivers in Lester, Curto and Gray aren't too shabby either. They are all good athletes that are very capable of making a defense pay. Allen has tried to force the ball to Cooke into coverage against Gate City and against Bluefield. Hopefully the coaches picked up on this while watching the film against Bluefield and Allen makes the adjustment. Graham is an extremely dangerous team. If their offense starts clicking, they will be a hard team to deal with at seasons end. They may go 7-3;in the regular season but be a serious threat come playoff time. Several players have big play potential. I would love to see them put Lester at QB occasionally and send Allen out wide on one side and Cooke on the other. If Cooke is double teamed, Allen would be hard to cover one on one. Would also love to see Graham send Cooke on that end around and have Allen keep it and go the other way or have Cooke pull up and throw it. Speed to burn with both of those guys. Graham should be wide open with their offense and not so conservative. Too many playmakers for that.
 
Just out of curiosity, a few weeks back after watching the Glenvar/Graham scrimmage, you were very high on Graham. Now, not so much. What changed?
 
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Graham's defense has faced a Bluefield team that is good, but 7-3, and exiting in the 2nd, 3rd at most round of the playoffs. Bluefield is handicapped at QB and has no QB that can throw. Tazewell may be the worst Class AA playing football team in VA over the last 3 decades and will likely not win a game. Giles is another level on the line of scrimmage and a far better OL than Bluefield, and Bluefield had success running the ball on Graham. The discipline part comes in with the Coaching. Whether it's the big run by Bluefield that led to a score, or in the INT thrown by the Graham QB, or the fumble at the goal line, undisciplined teams ALWAYS have 2-3 plays per game which are game changing. Against a team like Bluefield that is similar in talent, it can be the difference by inches in who wins. Against a team like Giles that is 10 points better, it will result in a 2 TD loss in my opinion. A team that is coached like Graham will always make that 1 or 2 boneheaded or lack of focus plays that costs them against similar talent. Against a team like Tazewell, it is masked. Giles will unmask it.

That might be a little harsh after 2 games and 30 years
 
That might be a little harsh after 2 games and 30 years

I'm not researching it but it saying tazewell is the worst team over the last 3 decades seems too broad. Since 31 years ago they won the state championship.. But over the last 7 years they probably rank up there with the worst in AA
 
Graham's defense has faced a Bluefield team that is good, but 7-3, and exiting in the 2nd, 3rd at most round of the playoffs. Bluefield is handicapped at QB and has no QB that can throw. Tazewell may be the worst Class AA playing football team in VA over the last 3 decades and will likely not win a game. Giles is another level on the line of scrimmage and a far better OL than Bluefield, and Bluefield had success running the ball on Graham. The discipline part comes in with the Coaching. Whether it's the big run by Bluefield that led to a score, or in the INT thrown by the Graham QB, or the fumble at the goal line, undisciplined teams ALWAYS have 2-3 plays per game which are game changing. Against a team like Bluefield that is similar in talent, it can be the difference by inches in who wins. Against a team like Giles that is 10 points better, it will result in a 2 TD loss in my opinion. A team that is coached like Graham will always make that 1 or 2 boneheaded or lack of focus plays that costs them against similar talent. Against a team like Tazewell, it is masked. Giles will unmask it.

When did Giles become so much more talented than Graham? Weren't most writing them off last week after losing by 40?
 
Tazewell has had several successful seasons since that State title team. Worst in AA? Don't think so. Christiansburg is terrible this season also. Not sure why the bold prediction shifts after a win over a sub par team.
 
Not to split hairs, but in referring to Tazewell the last 3 decades, I meant the 90's, 2000's, and the present decade, not literally 30 years, but well, 3 decades. I am aware of Tazewell's 86 title. I went my first year of High School to Nottoway and played against that Tazewell team as a freshmen (lost of course). And yes, since the 90's, 2000's and the present decade, they may very well be the worst Class AA football school in Virginia. They would be in the bottom 10%. As for Graham, I still think they are a great team and had them in the final four. I still think they likely beat Richlands. My top 2 teams are still Appo and Poquoson. As for the far west (not including Appo here), I like Giles better than Graham because of what they did against Bluefield in the scrimmage and yes, Blacksburg. I know, the score difference. That game was far closer than the score and the total yards difference was close. The field was dry as well. Don't let the Lord "Botty" loss fool you with Blacksburg, it was a mudbowl and crazy wet conditions. Blacksburg will contend deep in the playoffs at the Div 4 level and LB is a solid team, but Blacksburg is better on a dry field 7-8 out of 10 times.

Giles is the real deal this year up front. I like them better than Graham after watching Graham on the internet against Bluefield, I was not impressed with a few things. The first is, their blocking schemes are 1970's. At the Glenvar scrimmage, that is early on and you expect plain vanilla, but Bluefield was a live-regular season game and their offensive line blocking schemes are.....none. It's scary sad and scary old. Their offensive line coach needs to travel outside of Southwest VA and attend a camp or something. Their passing schemes/screens, etc., is non-existent. They have weapons everywhere, yet I didn't see one bubble screen against Bluefield on the net. No hitches. Offensively, very, very undercoached and sad. Finally, the Graham QB looked like he wasn't able to make the reads and also couldn't throw the ball to the WR's when open. When he dropped back to pass on Bluefield, their were guys running wide open, but you could see he was so frustrated with the reads and aware of his lacking throwing ability that he just tucked and ran. It looked like Graham just stopped calling passing plays with WR's running over the middle because the staff was aware of the kids inability to throw it over the middle.

As for Giles, I see bigs up front that blew Blacksburg off the ball a bunch, and they are raw in talent, but very well coached. Giles is the kind of program that requires you to be better than them to beat them. There are many times in a season where the better team overall doesn't win. Meaning, the more talented team doesn't win due to turnovers or coaching errors, muddy fields like Blacksburg and LB, etc. Some things a team can't control, but by in large, Giles is a well coached and well oiled machine that over the years, you have to be better than them to beat them because there are few times that they lose a game in which they are the better team overall. Graham is somewhat opposite in my opinion. They remind me much of Wilson Memorial over the years. Sorry WM fans, but I have seen some crazy talented WM and even Southampton teams that will blow you away with talent, but they somehow find themselves on the wrong end of the score against a team they are likely better than. This was already apparent with Graham and Bluefield. I think the difference in the Graham and Giles game is the line of scrimmage and QB position for Graham. Graham is completely one dimensional and their QB will improve, but he's no passer. You can see that with his throwing motion and accuracy. It's not going to improve much. The reading of the defenses will improve, but the accuracy part and pass timing is the part you can't teach. I think the Giles line will wear Graham down on both sides of the ball (not a blowout by any means) but a game kind of like RE Lee and Rockbridge game, or Poquoson and Southampton game, or the Union and Richlands game in which Union controlled the line of scrimmage 75-80% of the time and it was the difference.

I had the G-Men coming out of the west and on to the state semi's, but read on here the VHSL is crossbracketing in round 3 this year. I still got the G-Men advancing to the state semi's by beating a team in the East in round 3. Nothing has changed with that pick. I still think Appo is the team to beat and I still pick them to win the whole thing over a Poquoson team that will give them their closest state title game in the last 3 years. However, Giles could again be a problem and may surprise because of that line play. The Giles pass defense is an issue though, but they aren't going to face as many passing threats in Class AA as they would Blacksburg. Glenver and Graham aren't throwing it to beat ya. Richlands is nowhere close to the passing threat they have been in years, and Union can certainly throw it, but may have lost their QB. Scruggs and Appo can throw it enough in the middle of the field to give a team like Giles fits, but their ain't many out there. This is why I think Giles could surprise and when I write surprise, I mean maybe play for a state title unless they meet a solid passing school in the playoffs.

That's just my take. Sounds like Giles and Graham would be a fun one to watch. I'm heading to Appo and Heritage, and going to skip the Jamestown game. I want to watch Appo against a team similar in talent. I think the Appo coach is the difference and I got Appo actually beating Heritage. The QB for Appo is one of a kind and one heady ball player. He's the kind of kid that will flat out beat ya and has been a joy to watch the past couple of years. I would also love to see RE Lee and East Rock as that would be an easier drive for me, but that Appo team is something I have to see this year. This will be the first time I see them until they play in Salem. Yes, I think they return to the title game again. One final thing about Appo. The rest of Virginia in class AA has a major problem. That problem is their coach. I know, Scruggs and Graves and the rest of the talented players on their line of scrimmage and this and that, but I can assure you, after watching this team the last 2 years, it's obvious how "unequal" the coaching difference is when they play other teams. His talent is good, no question about it, but do you really think Appo (which has never been that much) all of a sudden struck gold in talent and stumbled upon a goldmine in talent? It doesn't work that way my friend. The difference is their coach, and EVEN with the loss of Graves and Scruggs, Appo will be right back in the thick of things next year. As long as Doug Smith is there, Appo is going to make a crazy Class AA run and string of titles (maybe not all in a row of course) but over the next 10-15 years, it wouldn't be surprising for them to win 7-8. He's that good of a coach and if you think the talent gap is the big difference with Appo and other teams, you are wrong. The biggest difference is their Head Coach and his staff.
 
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You seem to have a very keen eye and knowledge of football, I commend you for giving your thoughts here. I would enjoy being with you at a game and learning from you. If you want a saved seat at the Appo/ Heritage game i'd be honored to save one for you, just let me know.
 
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Sorry. Couldn't read all of that. I stopped about one quarter of the way through.
 
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Sorry. Couldn't read all of that. I stopped about one quarter of the way through.

But you were the guy who started the thread and asked for thoughts? LOL. I don't do the new school twitter 20 word blurbs to give an opinion 19GHS87. I was actually educated and was taught to give some facts to support an opinion. Not.....a 25 word emotional rant.

P.S. To sum it up in twitter form for you GHS87 or "emotional without supporting fact format."
1. Your team is questionably coached and super talented and you will lose games you shouldn't. Bluefield is example one.
2. You still advance to the state semi's on talent alone, but at the state semi level, the talent is equal and discipline and coaching take over and you exit at this round.
3. You have a kid playing QB that should be catching balls, and not throwing them, and that reflects on point one about the coaching thing. Poor decisions, and poor decisions don't win titles.
 
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Oldfool, I need your screenname because I am the oldfool. I like football and love watching it. I played at William and Mary (well, I dressed at William and Mary) lol, many years ago. I've just watched lots of ball. My great uncle is the old 1970's coach at Southampton who did "well" in the 1970's. I learned more from him than he forgot about football. I may take you up on the seat at Appo. That is going to be one heck of a football game. I hope Appo beats em also. Appo is well coached and smart, and trying to factor in the "win" factor of experienced, solid, talented, and smart seniors like Graves and Scruggs goes beyond saying. Great game coming up.
 
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But you were the guy who started the thread and asked for thoughts? LOL. I don't do the new school twitter 20 word blurbs to give an opinion 19GHS87. I was actually educated and was taught to give some facts to support an opinion. Not.....a 25 word emotional rant.

P.S. To sum it up in twitter form for you GHS87 or "emotional without supporting fact format."
1. Your team is questionably coached and super talented and you will lose games you shouldn't. Bluefield is example one.
2. You still advance to the state semi's on talent alone, but at the state semi level, the talent is equal and discipline and coaching take over and you exit at this round.
3. You have a kid playing QB that should be catching balls, and not throwing them, and that reflects on point one about the coaching thing. Poor decisions, and poor decisions don't win titles.

Stating that graham makes it to the semi finals just on talent is making the assumption that they're going to most likely travel to big stone and defeat union in the quarterfinals. I won't say that isn't going to happen, but I wouldn't bet any cash on it.
 
Stating that graham makes it to the semi finals just on talent is making the assumption that they're going to most likely travel to big stone and defeat union in the quarterfinals. I won't say that isn't going to happen, but I wouldn't bet any cash on it.

Me either, but if I have read it correctly, they can't meet in the quarters like the setup last year. Cross-bracketing (East vs West) used to occur in the semi's (game 4) but this year, they will start cross bracketing in the quarterfinals (game 3). This means, Graham and Union would play somebody from the East in round 3 (the quarters). It's why I pick Graham to advance to the semi's because of the cross-bracketing. I think they get a team from the East that is not as familiar with them, and when you play a team that you are not familiar with, athletic ability and raw talent matters much. For example, an RE Lee or East Rock or Wilson Memorial team that is not going to have more talent than Graham, and that talent could be the difference. I should retract Lee from that, Lee may in fact be more talented than Graham, but teams like East Rock, Buffalo Gap, even Goochland, Wilson Memorial, and Clark County in my opinion, are not more talented. Also, they aren't more talented than Union, but Union seems to always have some major event that prevents them from going far in the playoffs, be it injury or bad weather, something. Like this year, it's a shame Union had the QB injury because that kid could throw it, but again, he may be out for the year and if he is, that's a monumental loss for Union. It's the difference in a state semifinal appearance and possibly being out at round 2 or 3.
 
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When did Giles become so much more talented than Graham? Weren't most writing them off last week after losing by 40?

I don't know who wrote them off. I didn't. I've watched the tape of the game. Giles ran the ball all over Blacksburg (which is BETTER than Graham up front defensively. They are bigger, and they are faster). Giles ran all over them between the 20's, and then had drives stalled deep in BBurg territory. Credit BBurgs defense, but the score of that game was nowhere close to the actual level of play on the field. BBurg shredded Giles passing the ball much more than they did running the ball. The difference with Graham and BBurg is that Graham has no throwing threat. It's going to be tough to beat Giles this way by running alone. And yes, from tackle to tackle, Giles is more talented and they have a RB far better than any RB Graham has. And.....even though they don't throw it much, the Biedleman kid can actually throw the ball better than the Graham QB, so other than Wide Receiver and Defensive Backfield, Giles is a bit better this year in talent, but again, you can have great WRs, but if you can't get the ball to them, and you don't have the offensive coaching knowledge to set up, design, and run an effective screen route, it doesn't matter. Where Giles is weak is the defensive backfield. They don't cover well. Blacksburg had them fooled and off guard with the ability to throw it which opened up some runs. Giles realized early on that they weren't going to be able to put 8 in the box and key in on Beck. This exposed Giles lack of athletic ability in the secondary, and credit the BB QB, he's the real deal. He's a better passer than Scruggs from Appo.

Giles rushed for 351 yards on Blacksburg. You wouldn't know that by the score, but they ran all over Blacksburg. Blacksburg rushed for 187, but had over 200 passing yards. Also, nobody ever wrote that Giles was "so much more" talented than Graham. I wrote, Giles this year, is more talented than Graham. There's a huge difference in "more talented" and "so much more" talented.
 
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Oldfool, I need your screenname because I am the oldfool. I like football and love watching it. I played at William and Mary (well, I dressed at William and Mary) lol, many years ago. I've just watched lots of ball. My great uncle is the old 1970's coach at Southampton who did "well" in the 1970's. I learned more from him than he forgot about football. I may take you up on the seat at Appo. That is going to be one heck of a football game. I hope Appo beats em also. Appo is well coached and smart, and trying to factor in the "win" factor of experienced, solid, talented, and smart seniors like Graves and Scruggs goes beyond saying. Great game coming up.
i'm trying to figure out how to private message you now.
 
Me either, but if I have read it correctly, they can't meet in the quarters like the setup last year. Cross-bracketing (East vs West) used to occur in the semi's (game 4) but this year, they will start cross bracketing in the quarterfinals (game 3). This means, Graham and Union would play somebody from the East in round 3 (the quarters). It's why I pick Graham to advance to the semi's because of the cross-bracketing. I think they get a team from the East that is not as familiar with them, and when you play a team that you are not familiar with, athletic ability and raw talent matters much. For example, an RE Lee or East Rock or Wilson Memorial team that is not going to have more talent than Graham, and that talent could be the difference. I should retract Lee from that, Lee may in fact be more talented than Graham, but teams like East Rock, Buffalo Gap, even Goochland, Wilson Memorial, and Clark County in my opinion, are not more talented. Also, they aren't more talented than Union, but Union seems to always have some major event that prevents them from going far in the playoffs, be it injury or bad weather, something. Like this year, it's a shame Union had the QB injury because that kid could throw it, but again, he may be out for the year and if he is, that's a monumental loss for Union. It's the difference in a state semifinal appearance and possibly being out at round 2 or 3.
I have not looked it up, but the Wythe guys on the 1A board are saying no cross brackets in the semi-finals. It's A-vs-B, and C-vs-D .Are 1A and 2A doing it differently this year?
 
I have not looked it up, but the Wythe guys on the 1A board are saying no cross brackets in the semi-finals. It's A-vs-B, and C-vs-D .Are 1A and 2A doing it differently this year?

I hear ya man. It's confusing as heck, at least for me. For the fans of all teams, remember this is a Message Board filled with opinions and you know what they say about those. The games are won on the field and I wish that all teams are 100 percent capacity come playoff time without injuries. Good luck to East Rock, The Bull Islanders. Giles, Graham, The big Blue of Richlands, Union, RE Lee and all of the squads working hard to bring the trophy home. On a message board, its fun as we are fans, but only talking heads, so take nothing personal.
 
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Giles wins this one by a bunch. 31-17 Giles by 2 TD's. Giles will not move the ball as consistently as they did on BBurg as Giles would drive a bunch of yards, then not score down in BB-Burg territory, but Giles will score this game with huge plays. Discipline or lack of it will hurt Graham. For Giles, they will play a cover 1 or some variation of it when the ball is snapped all game with the safety providing help on Cooke and going one on one with the other Graham receivers forcing the Graham QB to complete passes, and of course, playing run. Graham will get some points, but it will not be enough. I know Giles fans, you don't play cover 1 and nobody knows your program unless you are the coach of Giles, a Giles fan, or a former player, and it's a matter of time before one of the Giles fans responds with some post stating, "we have never played a cover one and never will and you don't know what you are talking about because you aren't a Giles fan". I get it. Save the post.

Like I wrote, when the ball is snapped, and after the Giles coaching staff watches the Bluefield and Graham tape, you can bet than not only Giles, but every team Graham faces will play some version of a cover one defense on Graham with their QB situation. A cover one being one on one defense with Graham WR's with safety help on Cooke, which is essentially a double team on Cooke, and walking 1 up in the box at the snap with watch is essentially 8 in the box when the ball is snapped which is to stop the anticipated run. Giles wins by 2 TDs. Graham doesn't have any type of passing game and if an opponent gets into a running the ball slugfest with Giles, Giles usually wins. Blacksburg has major success throwing the ball on Giles, even with Beck in the backfield. Graham doesn't have that passing threat. 31-17 Giles and the Giles team goes to 2-1 on the year, and Graham goes to 1-2.
I think you're confusing a traditional Cover I with a defense having someone as a spy. In a Cover I, the S isnt a spy, he covers the middle.
 
OK man, whatever you say and whatever you wish to call it. As I pointed out in the original post, a cover one or some variation of it. I know, the safety plays zone in a "true cover one". In the Green Bay cover one, that safety is free to do as he pleases, be it play zone or double the lone or best WR. Trust me, I wasn't confused, lol, and there are several cover one versions. Another is when the middle LB or even a DE drops into coverage in the middle of the field with the safety doubling the best WR. Again, the point is, a cover one defense OR some variation of it (as I mentioned in the original post) that is.....stop the run, force the O to throw, and force the O to throw outside (to the sidelines) with help either in the middle of the field from the safety (the true original cover 1) or some variation of it where help with the best WR comes from somewhere else which is......selling out with the safety, dropping a smaller-fast LB for help into coverage (classic Bud Foster and Tech), or even a DE into coverage when the ball is snapped on the same side as the fast and best WR (classic Nebraska and Tom Osborne 90s). The principle is the same in which the defense recognizes you can't throw and can only run, and if you do throw, you are throwing to one guy 80-90% of the time, and when that throw occurs, its more than likely going to the sidelines because an offense is to conservative to throw in the middle of the field (Frank Beamer and the old VT) or it doesn't have the confidence in the QB to let him throw into the middle of the field. Graham will see that defense......all year.
 
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A big part of the issue vs. Bluefield was Taymon Cooke was split wide the whole night allowing Bluefield to run that defense and take him out of the game. Even if he's not touching the ball he needs to play some in the slot & in the backfield. Put him in motion. You'll be able to get him the ball in more 1on1 situations and if not he'll make a hell of a decoy.
 
A big part of the issue vs. Bluefield was Taymon Cooke was split wide the whole night allowing Bluefield to run that defense and take him out of the game. Even if he's not touching the ball he needs to play some in the slot & in the backfield. Put him in motion. You'll be able to get him the ball in more 1on1 situations and if not he'll make a hell of a decoy.

Bingo. Agree 100%. He is a Div 1 athlete and needs 50% of Graham's touches. The Bluefield Coaching staff had to be foaming at the mouth when Cooke was constantly split wide. Watch the tape again. Bluefield nearly EVERY first down of the game for Graham played a true cover one. Not even a variation of a cover one, but a true cover one BEGGING Graham to throw the ball into the middle of the field. The way you beat this is by having a QB commit the safety with a shoulder and eyeball fake to one side of the field, and throw the ball accurately one on one to a WR that has beat his man. Graham did this in the first quarter, and the QB overthrew the WR by 10 yards. Additionally, screens and hitches on first down that are thrown accurately will take a cover one defense out of it's cover one real fast. Graham did this once on a second down play and the QB threw the ball at the feet of the WR. The distance from the WR to the QB was about 7 yards. It is what it is.
 
Me either, but if I have read it correctly, they can't meet in the quarters like the setup last year. Cross-bracketing (East vs West) used to occur in the semi's (game 4) but this year, they will start cross bracketing in the quarterfinals (game 3). This means, Graham and Union would play somebody from the East in round 3 (the quarters). It's why I pick Graham to advance to the semi's because of the cross-bracketing. I think they get a team from the East that is not as familiar with them, and when you play a team that you are not familiar with, athletic ability and raw talent matters much. For example, an RE Lee or East Rock or Wilson Memorial team that is not going to have more talent than Graham, and that talent could be the difference. I should retract Lee from that, Lee may in fact be more talented than Graham, but teams like East Rock, Buffalo Gap, even Goochland, Wilson Memorial, and Clark County in my opinion, are not more talented. Also, they aren't more talented than Union, but Union seems to always have some major event that prevents them from going far in the playoffs, be it injury or bad weather, something. Like this year, it's a shame Union had the QB injury because that kid could throw it, but again, he may be out for the year and if he is, that's a monumental loss for Union. It's the difference in a state semifinal appearance and possibly being out at round 2 or 3.

I dont know anything about teams in other areas, and doesn't matter for this. You can use any of them as example, but unless something has changed, with the new old setup, Region A winner plays Region B winner and Region C winner plays Region D winner. So then A/B would play C/D in championship. That is this year only. What has been said is the different region winners would change each year, meaning Region A winner could play Region D winner and Region B winner could play Region C winner next year. That just meaning those would with every year
 
OK man, whatever you say and whatever you wish to call it. As I pointed out in the original post, a cover one or some variation of it. I know, the safety plays zone in a "true cover one". In the Green Bay cover one, that safety is free to do as he pleases, be it play zone or double the lone or best WR. Trust me, I wasn't confused, lol, and there are several cover one versions. Another is when the middle LB or even a DE drops into coverage in the middle of the field with the safety doubling the best WR. Again, the point is, a cover one defense OR some variation of it (as I mentioned in the original post) that is.....stop the run, force the O to throw, and force the O to throw outside (to the sidelines) with help either in the middle of the field from the safety (the true original cover 1) or some variation of it where help with the best WR comes from somewhere else which is......selling out with the safety, dropping a smaller-fast LB for help into coverage (classic Bud Foster and Tech), or even a DE into coverage when the ball is snapped on the same side as the fast and best WR (classic Nebraska and Tom Osborne 90s). The principle is the same in which the defense recognizes you can't throw and can only run, and if you do throw, you are throwing to one guy 80-90% of the time, and when that throw occurs, its more than likely going to the sidelines because an offense is to conservative to throw in the middle of the field (Frank Beamer and the old VT) or it doesn't have the confidence in the QB to let him throw into the middle of the field. Graham will see that defense......all year.

There's a difference between a S or LB roaming the middle of the field and having someone spy. A spy is solely devoted to monitoring the QB and making sure he doesnt take off. I suspect Graham will see a lot of spying. Cover I means one deep safety, with the other playing a zone closer to the linebackers. If a DE drops into a zone, he is spying or it's a zone blitz like Pittsburgh.
 
But you were the guy who started the thread and asked for thoughts? LOL. I don't do the new school twitter 20 word blurbs to give an opinion 19GHS87. I was actually educated and was taught to give some facts to support an opinion. Not.....a 25 word emotional rant.

P.S. To sum it up in twitter form for you GHS87 or "emotional without supporting fact format."
1. Your team is questionably coached and super talented and you will lose games you shouldn't. Bluefield is example one.
2. You still advance to the state semi's on talent alone, but at the state semi level, the talent is equal and discipline and coaching take over and you exit at this round.
3. You have a kid playing QB that should be catching balls, and not throwing them, and that reflects on point one about the coaching thing. Poor decisions, and poor decisions don't win titles.[/QUOTE
Yes, but the "Readers Digest" version of your thoughts would have been great. No offense to your post, I appreciate your input, it's just that my old eyes get blurry from reading the small print.. It's way too early for me to make a prediction about who will be playing in the semis or finals or who will be out in the 2nd or 3rd round. I've been around football for far too long and know better. Teams and players get better as the season progresses. We will see who is playing the best ball at the end of the season. Graham vs. Giles will be an interesting matchup. Graham's defense is much improved from last season. Lineplay is better. Still not sure if it's enough to stop Giles. I still like Graham to come out of the West this year. I think they will figure things out by the end of the season and they have the athletes to compete with anybody in 2A barring injury. I will trust Coach Palmer if he sticks with Allen at qb. I have my doubts, but I'm not the coach. He is a tremendous athlete with a good arm, just needs some tweaking. When he realizes that there are at least 3 other quality receivers to throw to other than Cooke, Graham will be in business.
 
Great game. If Giles plays like they did second half will be hard to beat. Down 21 to 0 and came back to make a great game.
 
Great game. If Giles plays like they did second half will be hard to beat. Down 21 to 0 and came back to make a great game.
I agree. Graham had too many turnovers tonight. They moved the ball well. You can't do that against a good team and expect to win. Graham was very fortunate to win that game. Giles did what Giles does, they ran the ball very well in the 2nd half and controlled the clock and ended long drives with points on the board. Graham has to secure the ball better. As a Graham fan I love to see them win this game, but Giles always makes me a nervous wreck because they are so hard to stop when the offense is clicking. On a side note. I wish Graham's running back Jazair Reed the best with what appeared to be a knee injury in overtime of that game. I hear great things about that young man both on and off the field. Praying for a good outcome with his injury.
 
Congrats to Graham on the great win. I had Giles beating Graham in this one. I was wrong. I still have Graham in the final four and beating Richlands in the regular season. That hasn't changed. Giles loses maybe 1 more at most, but don't think they will. I think they beat Glenvar, and beat a very good Narrows team and come into the playoffs at 8-2.
 
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Great respect from me for Giles over the years. Based on what I am seeing so far, the Glenvar/Giles @ Glenvar game will be a huge game with big playoff implications. I still think Glenvar's defense will stop the single wing just like they have for the last five games. I would say that Glenvar's defense is as good as ever and the offense is looking strong as well.
And no more complaints from me on the Giles horn. Glenvar has one twice a big and twice as loud. haha Bring your ear plugs.
 
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Great respect from me for Giles over the years. Based on what I am seeing so far, the Glenvar/Giles @ Glenvar game will be a huge game with big playoff implications. I still think Glenvar's defense will stop the single wing just like they have for the last five games. I would say that Glenvar's defense is as good as ever and the offense is looking strong as well.
And no more complaints from me on the Giles horn. Glenvar has one twice a big and twice as loud. haha Bring your ear plugs.
Actually just 4, but I guess there's not a lot of ways to sugar coat a 4-20 lifetime record against somebody. Where you been, my friend? About time you resurfaced.
 
Me either, but if I have read it correctly, they can't meet in the quarters like the setup last year. Cross-bracketing (East vs West) used to occur in the semi's (game 4) but this year, they will start cross bracketing in the quarterfinals (game 3). This means, Graham and Union would play somebody from the East in round 3 (the quarters). It's why I pick Graham to advance to the semi's because of the cross-bracketing. I think they get a team from the East that is not as familiar with them, and when you play a team that you are not familiar with, athletic ability and raw talent matters much. For example, an RE Lee or East Rock or Wilson Memorial team that is not going to have more talent than Graham, and that talent could be the difference. I should retract Lee from that, Lee may in fact be more talented than Graham, but teams like East Rock, Buffalo Gap, even Goochland, Wilson Memorial, and Clark County in my opinion, are not more talented. Also, they aren't more talented than Union, but Union seems to always have some major event that prevents them from going far in the playoffs, be it injury or bad weather, something. Like this year, it's a shame Union had the QB injury because that kid could throw it, but again, he may be out for the year and if he is, that's a monumental loss for Union. It's the difference in a state semifinal appearance and possibly being out at round 2 or 3.
CLARKE, with an "E"!!!!!!
C-L-A-R-K-E!!!!!!!!!!!

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