Hayfield

[WP02alum]

...not sure how Region C even holds playoff games tonite... This really screws the prior slate of schools in prep time and as @PhoenixHS says concession revenues.

Maybe the folks who are losing concessions revenue at WestPo can file an emergency injunction!

 

[General172011]

After the game tonight I’m going to talk to Coach Mills an see if we can swindle 31 transfers as well lol 😂 jk jk but man that’s crazy

 

[cutnjump]

Yea you know it all. I can't wait to see your response on Friday.

My response is I am surprised. I can't really say anything pro or con about the judge's decision until I find out more about what was presented and how he explained his ruling. I stand behind EVERYTHING I have said in this thread as supported by facts and historical precedent. Depending on what else happens after this it could be good or bad for high school sports and we shall see what transpires. Finally, I feel bad for the kids on all sides of this who were the casualties of adults improper actions and refusal to address things in a timely manner. This is a mess that could and should have been addressed long before getting to the doorstep of the playoffs.

 

[PhoenixHS]

Received notice that West Potomac’s game has been scheduled at Fairfax for Thursday.

 

[BullRun66]

InsideNoVA.com

DEVELOPING: Hayfield Secondary School has received a temporary injunction that will allow them to play in the football postseason.

www.facebook.com

 

[PhoenixHS]

OK, so it looks like the new schedule is out for 6C. First round to be played Thursday 11/21 and second round Tuesday 11/26 with finals likely happening on the 30th. “Whoever” (Hayfield) comes out of C will be at a disadvantage having played 3 games in the 2 weeks prior to the state semis

 

[Bcope83]

Crazy they’re allowed to play. The argument that it’s not fair to Hayfield kids is wrong. It’s not fair to the other teams who didn’t cheat.

 

[cutnjump]

Crazy they’re allowed to play. The argument that it’s not fair to Hayfield kids is wrong. It’s not fair to the other teams who didn’t cheat.

While that may have been Hayfield's initial argument, the accounts from the hearing say the judge came prepared knowing the pleadings, facts and rules and the VHSL got hung out to dry because they did not follow their own rules. That is on the VHSL and their lawyers, regardless of whether Hayfield/FCPS broke rules on their own part. What's not fair is adults not doing the jobs they are paid to do and the kids suffering the consequences and that is on BOTH sides.

 

[Bcope83]

While that may have been Hayfield's initial argument, the accounts from the hearing say the judge came prepared knowing the pleadings, facts and rules and the VHSL got hung out to dry because they did not follow their own rules. That is on the VHSL and their lawyers, regardless of whether Hayfield/FCPS broke rules on their own part. What's not fair is adults not doing the jobs they are paid to do and the kids suffering the consequences and that is on BOTH sides.

Agree with everything until the end. Not feeling sorry for known cheaters. You are spot on that the VHSL needs to enforce the rules. The same thing that was happening at Freedom followed to Hayfield. FCPS should be ashamed for allowing it go on.

 

[BleedingNavy]

I can't disagree with anything that has been said, but after 35 years of working in the judicial system I have to respect the judges order. Right or wrong he/she ruled on the facts. It does set a strange precedent and membership schools should be concerned about the poor effort displayed by the VHSL representation. I for one believe it's time to send the VHSL brass packing. They no longer have credibility, sound leadership, nor can they be trusted to mandate fair play.

 

[VHSL-helper]

...second round Tuesday 11/26 with finals likely happening on the 30th.

And let's not forget that Thursday the 28th is a no-school holiday.
How many hours are they allowed to practice that Friday?

 

[Phoebus Fan]

And let's not forget that Thursday the 28th is a no-school holiday.
How many hours are they allowed to practice that Friday?

they’ll have a normal practice thanksgiving day and Black Friday. Phoebus does it every year. Even has a thanksgiving team dinner

 

[falcettik]

From reading an article I saw yesterday (I cannot recall where because there were several, and assuming I did not misinterpret what I read) it appears the judge made his ruling based on a technicality and not the true merits of the case. It did not help that the judge was said to be much better prepared than either of the lawyers representing both sides. The issue was that the recommendation to remove Hayfield from the playoffs was from VHSL's Hahn, not a VHSL committee of some type in accordance with the VHSL by laws. Very unfortunate, but that is the way our legal system works.

 

[SPL311U]

From reading an article I saw yesterday (I cannot recall where because there were several, and assuming I did not misinterpret what I read) it appears the judge made his ruling based on a technicality and not the true merits of the case. It did not help that the judge was said to be much better prepared than either of the lawyers representing both sides. The issue was that the recommendation to remove Hayfield from the playoffs was from VHSL's Hahn, not a VHSL committee of some type in accordance with the VHSL by laws. Very unfortunate, but that is the way our legal system works.

@falcettik ...so if Haun had provided examples of potential sanctions for consideration by the committee(s) -- OK, but staff cannot be the recommending body of the organization for a specific sanction. Not too dissimilar from Planning & Zoning Department staff and a Planning Commission in Virginia (something I actually know something about).

 

[cutnjump]

From reading an article I saw yesterday (I cannot recall where because there were several, and assuming I did not misinterpret what I read) it appears the judge made his ruling based on a technicality and not the true merits of the case. It did not help that the judge was said to be much better prepared than either of the lawyers representing both sides. The issue was that the recommendation to remove Hayfield from the playoffs was from VHSL's Hahn, not a VHSL committee of some type in accordance with the VHSL by laws. Very unfortunate, but that is the way our legal system works.

That was the report in the comments section of the Fairfax Times story I believe. While not specifically addressing the alleged violations I think the judge did his job properly on all the merits of the situation because rules/bylaws/process are established for protection of ALL parties.

Hayfield's/FCPS' alleged wrong doings were not specifically condoned meaning the rules/findings themselves still stand but, the reality, at least in my opinion, is that the judge's ruling actually showed what a sorry job BOTH sides did. Haun and the VHSL deserve the bashing they will likely receive, in my opinion, because the timing and their failure to handle the situation damaged additional parties besides FCPS and Hayfield. This does not excuse Hayfield/FCPS as none of this happens if the violations question never arose.

 

[Ech8014]

While that may have been Hayfield's initial argument, the accounts from the hearing say the judge came prepared knowing the pleadings, facts and rules and the VHSL got hung out to dry because they did not follow their own rules. That is on the VHSL and their lawyers, regardless of whether Hayfield/FCPS broke rules on their own part. What's not fair is adults not doing the jobs they are paid to do and the kids suffering the consequences and that is on BOTH sides.

Agreed; who wants to bet their motion is filled with LCA being a charter member and how they violate the VHSL rules? I have said this since day one: a first-year Lawyer can win this case and, if not, at least muddy it up with injunctions to hold the VHSL accountable.

 

[OCBoy]

Agreed; who wants to bet their motion is filled with LCA being a charter member and how they violate the VHSL rules? I have said this since day one: a first-year Lawyer can win this case and, if not, at least muddy it up with injunctions to hold the VHSL accountable.

When the LCA ruling came out everyone knew something would be brewing in the future that could muddy the situation even deeper for the entire state. Moving forward this makes it seem like it’s okay with what John Marshall and others have been doing.

 

[cutnjump]

When the LCA ruling came out everyone knew something would be brewing in the future that could muddy the situation even deeper for the entire state. Moving forward this makes it seem like it’s okay with what John Marshall and others have been doing.

What LCA ruling are you referring to or is this just a reference to the settlement of the lawsuit?