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singlewinger92

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I never said anything after the Giles/Glenvar game other then a great game because I have came to respect Glenvar fans on this board and their football program. However today I learned the so called higher authorities of Glenvar have called the same at Giles and said the train horn will never be allowed back at Highlander stadium. Was said complaints by people in the community said it was to loud and kept them up at night. WOW, after all these years I guess that's the excuse now, lol. Perhaps just maybe if that even is the truth that if Glenvar would not have copied Giles with the horn and blew theirs all night it would have not woke up the whole community. Last year Glenvar brought their horn to Giles for the first time because we all get it, They want to be like Giles. The principal was asked if it was ok and although not happy about it because it's Giles tradition he told them it was fine. It really is just comical. Things don't go thier way and get beat on thier home field snapping a 25 game streak and this is the outcome all of a sudden. Sour grapes or sore losers? I just laugh because it's what u expect out of spoiled teenager's, or Glenvar administration I guess. By the way I loved the opening statement in Roanoke Times Saturday. Glenvar now has a horn of thier own, it must have made the Spartans feel right at home.
 
singlewinger92 said:
I never said anything after the Giles/Glenvar game other then a great game because I have came to respect Glenvar fans on this board and their football program. However today I learned the so called higher authorities of Glenvar have called the same at Giles and said the train horn will never be allowed back at Highlander stadium. Was said complaints by people in the community said it was to loud and kept them up at night. WOW, after all these years I guess that's the excuse now, lol. Perhaps just maybe if that even is the truth that if Glenvar would not have copied Giles with the horn and blew theirs all night it would have not woke up the whole community. Last year Glenvar brought their horn to Giles for the first time because we all get it, They want to be like Giles. The principal was asked if it was ok and although not happy about it because it's Giles tradition he told them it was fine. It really is just comical. Things don't go thier way and get beat on thier home field snapping a 25 game streak and this is the outcome all of a sudden. Sour grapes or sore losers? I just laugh because it's what u expect out of spoiled teenager's, or Glenvar administration I guess. By the way I loved the opening statement in Roanoke Times Saturday. Glenvar now has a horn of thier own, it must have made the Spartans feel right at home.
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Are u sure it wasn't just telling our guys to leave our horn at home? That's what I heard!
 
Region C Fan said:
Are u sure it wasn't just telling our guys to leave our horn at home? That's what I heard!
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No sir, I heard from the horses mouth today about the phone calls made. I would not have posted it if was not sure. Now I did hear before the game last week the Clifford sent out email stating for Glenvar to leave the horn at home it was Giles thing but I can't verify that. If he did I think that was very classy thing for him to do.
 
singlewinger92 said:
No sir, I heard from the horses mouth today about the phone calls made. I would not have posted it if was not sure. Now I did hear before the game last week the Clifford sent out email stating for Glenvar to leave the horn at home it was Giles thing but I can't verify that. If he did I think that was very classy thing for him to do.
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You are correct about Coach Clifford. He did ask our guy to leave it home. That came from the guy who owns the horn. Personally I think Giles tradition with the horn is fine! I thought a couple years back our band had developed a good second to the horn with their own rendition with their instruments. Prehaps you remember. I thought that had a little class. I'll speak with our principal tomorrow and get back. It very well could be a community issue. Not everyone has the passion for the game as we do! I think the fact that our guy didn't do what he was asked by our Coach may have played a part also. Pure speculation
Need no wedges between us guys.
 
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I know that Glenvar's Principal would not do something like that because of sour grapes. Win or lose, he loves the type of atmosphere that was at the game last Friday.

My guess, and it is only a guess is that neighbors did complain and there is probably some noise ordinance violation there so he had no choice. The people who live out there like their peace and quiet.
 
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Intrinsicrewards said:
I know that Glenvar's Principal would not do something like that because of sour grapes. Win or lose, he loves the type of atmosphere that was at the game last Friday.

My guess, and it is only a guess is that neighbors did complain and there is probably some noise ordinance violation there so he had no choice. The people who live out there like their peace and quiet. I'm with Clifford...I really don't like Glenvar having an air horn. I don't mind Giles air horn as long as they don't use it to mess with other teams cadence and communication on offense. For that reason it is actually against VHSL rules. I notice Giles air horn guys never blow it as Giles is over the ball but they sometimes blow when Glenvar is over the ball and the game is close. That is when I spoke out against it and why I thought it was funny that some Glenvar fan had one,
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Glenvar did it to Richlands in the playoffs last yr or yr before last. They were blowing it while QB was under center.
 
hawknation92 said:
I enjoyed the horn and atmosphere at Giles the one time we played there. New that was a tradition of there's and to date probably the most hospitable place we ever played with an awesome small town Friday tradition where town just about shuts down for game. Love these kind of places.
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Giles is probably best venue in state for high school football. It has a college feel to it. Best PA announcer in the state also.
 
A couple of wrongs on both sides in my opinion.

1. As a visiting team, you do not bring your horn, or cannon, or train whistle to the opponents place. You also should NOT ask to do so. There is something called emotional intelligence that kind of fits this rule. Therefore, right off of the bat, Giles was wrong for even asking to bring it to start with, and if Glenvar initially said, "yes," then they were wrong for saying yes. Again, common sense, courtesy, and emotional intelligence comes into play here.
2. Glenvar is wrong to bring it to Richlands, if they did that a few years ago in the playoffs. Much of this stuff is prevented by Not taking your home traditions on the road, other than your band and fans of course. You are AWAY, not at home. COMMON sense folks.
3. A "noise ordinance" at the Glenvar stadium and keeping folks up. Again, COMMON sense tells me the town of Glenvar needs to go to the neighborhood and say the following words, "you live beside a High School football stadium and when you have games, there are bands and loud noises, and that is a normal human-social interaction across the United States on Friday nights at football stadiums in which games are played; therefore, the expectation of "no noise or peacefully undisturbed" before 10 pm is DUMB, therefore, don't be DUMB." Additionally, if there is such an ordinance, then at the next town hall meeting, a town member or legislative member with common sense simply proposes, we lift the ordinance within a 5 mile circumference of the stadium when a game is played there, then everything is easily fixed.

Only my take.....
 
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DinwiddieProud said:
Destruction of property? Restitution and court cost?
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Yes and that guy also decided he wanted to fight the police that night so it went really bad for him. That being said he was the only Gretna fan that night I did not enjoy. Some of the nicest fans I had ever been around.
 
lucustookis said:
A couple of wrongs on both sides in my opinion.

1. As a visiting team, you do not bring your horn, or cannon, or train whistle to the opponents place. You also should NOT ask to do so. There is something called emotional intelligence that kind of fits this rule. Therefore, right off of the bat, Giles was wrong for even asking to bring it to start with, and if Glenvar initially said, "yes," then they were wrong for saying yes. Again, common sense, courtesy, and emotional intelligence comes into play here.
2. Glenvar is wrong to bring it to Richlands, if they did that a few years ago in the playoffs. Much of this stuff is prevented by Not taking your home traditions on the road, other than your band and fans of course. You are AWAY, not at home. COMMON sense folks.
3. A "noise ordinance" at the Glenvar stadium and keeping folks up. Again, COMMON sense tells me the town of Glenvar needs to go to the neighborhood and say the following words, "you live beside a High School football stadium and when you have games, there are bands and loud noises, and that is a normal human-social interaction across the United States on Friday nights at football stadiums in which games are played; therefore, the expectation of "no noise or peacefully undisturbed" before 10 pm is DUMB, therefore, don't be DUMB." Additionally, if there is such an ordinance, then at the next town hall meeting, a town member or legislative member with common sense simply proposes, we lift the ordinance within a 5 mile circumference of the stadium when a game is played there, then everything is easily fixed.

Only my take.....
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I agree. The simplest answer is for both sides to agree to use their major noise makers at their home field only.
By agreement, only permit hand held noise makers like cowbells, those foam sticks that you bang together, (thunder sticks I think they are called), maybe hand held air horns, and possibly those damn obnoxious horns they blow at World Cup soccer, "the vuvuzela".

Truthfully, nothing is better than screaming, crazy fans. Get enough voices, and get them to be loud enough, and that makes a statement.
 
lucustookis said:
A couple of wrongs on both sides in my opinion.

1. As a visiting team, you do not bring your horn, or cannon, or train whistle to the opponents place. You also should NOT ask to do so. There is something called emotional intelligence that kind of fits this rule. Therefore, right off of the bat, Giles was wrong for even asking to bring it to start with, and if Glenvar initially said, "yes," then they were wrong for saying yes. Again, common sense, courtesy, and emotional intelligence comes into play here.
2. Glenvar is wrong to bring it to Richlands, if they did that a few years ago in the playoffs. Much of this stuff is prevented by Not taking your home traditions on the road, other than your band and fans of course. You are AWAY, not at home. COMMON sense folks.
3. A "noise ordinance" at the Glenvar stadium and keeping folks up. Again, COMMON sense tells me the town of Glenvar needs to go to the neighborhood and say the following words, "you live beside a High School football stadium and when you have games, there are bands and loud noises, and that is a normal human-social interaction across the United States on Friday nights at football stadiums in which games are played; therefore, the expectation of "no noise or peacefully undisturbed" before 10 pm is DUMB, therefore, don't be DUMB." Additionally, if there is such an ordinance, then at the next town hall meeting, a town member or legislative member with common sense simply proposes, we lift the ordinance within a 5 mile circumference of the stadium when a game is played there, then everything is easily fixed.

Only my take.....
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BEST POST TO THIS POST!!! Luca...i dont rock with you most the time, but you GET IT! Giles is disrespectful with the horn! They do it when opponents under center. They use it at times that are inappropriate. They came to Appo and made a verbal and email commitment not to do it and STILL DID IT until the police shut that crap down in 1st qtr!!!! Cool with anything that crowd noise (rocks in jugs, cowbells, yelling, stomping), but a fan to bring in a car battery and a horn???? That draws the line.

This crap with other teams taking gimmicks, shenanigans, and toys is a SWVA thing, not a Central, NOVA, Richmond, 757 thing. I lived in all them areas enough to know. So why are they so special that the rest of the state gotta agree with their way of VHSL life???? You want home field advantage? EARN IT!

FYI....who ever running the train horn at appo is WEAK!!!!!! BLOW THAT JOINT!!!!!! yall sound like a car in parking lot that honks one time for 2 seconds after we score (appo keeps horn on field and monitored by admin so it is blown appropriately).
 
AdvocateOfMany434 said:
FYI....who ever running the train horn at appo is WEAK!!!!!! BLOW THAT JOINT!!!!!! yall sound like a car in parking lot that honks one time for 2 seconds after we score (appo keeps horn on field and monitored by admin so it is blown appropriately).
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Sounds gimmicky. Is Appomattox trying to be like SWVA? :rolleyes:
 
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Sounds gimmicky. Is Appomattox trying to be like SWVA? :rolleyes:
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One other thing....we dont beg other ADs and Principals to bring Train horn, nor do we ask about it. And if we did.....We wouldnt CRY about it like we seen last year during playoffs from Giles.
 
AdvocateOfMany434 said:
Nah, not at all. I guess, you sir....missed the rest of my post? Go back and read again. We blow it at appropriate times.
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Funny how u guys never had a train horn either until u played Giles the first time. The very next year, yep train horn. I'd def say trying to be like swva, or maybe just like Giles.
 
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One other thing....we dont beg other ADs and Principals to bring Train horn, nor do we ask about it. And if we did.....We wouldnt CRY about it like we seen last year during playoffs from Giles.
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The only crying done about it last year was not on Giles side, let's get the facts straight. I think your upset that yes like others u have a train horn now but it was not your idea. Your right about one thing, the operator of your flute is pretty weak at it.
 
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This is a lot of time and devotion to a silly (fun but silly) tradition. I can't think of any instance where the horn actually had an impact on the outcome of the game. It may have annoyed people, but changed the final score? I also understand why the home team can/should dictate if it is there or not. They are the HOME team...If you want to eat at my table, you best bring your manners. Same goes for any visitor to an opposing field.
 
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Where is the trainhornguyfromGlenvar? (Something like that) was that here or was that on the swva sports board?
I was laughing at my computer screen when that guy showed up after the first time this was discussed
 
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Hampton Roads 6 said:
Copying any team's tradition is very low class.
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How long has Giles used the train horn?

Pretty sure it wasn't original with Giles...A high school used a train horn when I went through high school in the 60's out west.. Truth is, there are not many original ideas. Everyone copies from everyone else on about everything if your successful. Winger is right about other schools wanting to be like Giles...
 
Intrinsicrewards said:
How long has Giles used the train horn?

Pretty sure it wasn't original with Giles...A high school used a train horn when I went through high school in the 60's out west.. Truth is, there are not many original ideas. Everyone copies from everyone else on about everything if your successful. Winger is right about other schools wanting to be like Giles...
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Before it was shut down, Big Creek high school in McDowell County, WV (on the Tazewell County border) had their field built on the front lawn of the school. There was a huge wall in the end zone separating the active railroad tracks that set on a hill above the field. The tracks were probably only 20 yards from the field. I brought this up on another forum and a poster told me that back in the hay day (1950's and up) for Big Creek football trains would park on the tracks since they were elevated next to the field and watch the game. That guy said the conductors would blow their actual train horns during the game for Big Creek.
 
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Intrinsicrewards said:
How long has Giles used the train horn?

Pretty sure it wasn't original with Giles...A high school used a train horn when I went through high school in the 60's out west.. Truth is, there are not many original ideas. Everyone copies from everyone else on about everything if your successful. Winger is right about other schools wanting to be like Giles...
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It's started in the 80's but not sure what year exactly. Been around a long time.
 
eh31 said:
Before it was shut down, Big Creek high school in McDowell County, WV (on the Tazewell County border) had their field built on the front lawn of the school. There was a huge wall in the end zone separating the active railroad tracks that set on a hill above the field. The tracks were probably only 20 yards from the field. I brought this up on another forum and a poster told me that back in the hay day (1950's and up) for Big Creek football trains would park on the tracks since they were elevated next to the field and watch the game. That guy said the conductors would blow their actual train horns during the game for Big Creek.
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That's pretty cool. Would have loved to see that.
 
bulldog1150 said:
Link to Big Creek info.

http://www.coalwoodwestvirginia.com/big_creek_high_school.htm
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Thanks! You can sort of see what I was talking about in these pictures shared from that site. It was a unique setting to play a game. Only one set of bleachers on the home side. If you went too far out of bounds on the away side you would run into the front steps of the school. You can't really tell from the picture of the green wall but the tracks are right behind it. I got to play there in 2005 and it was one of the cooler places I've ever got to play. It made you feel like you were back in the 50's. I guess that was one of the last years they played on Poletti field before building the make shift field behind the gym for the last couple of years.
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singlewinger92 said:
The only crying done about it last year was not on Giles side, let's get the facts straight. I think your upset that yes like others u have a train horn now but it was not your idea. Your right about one thing, the operator of your flute is pretty weak at it.
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Quiet the noise. yall had people calling the school about the horn not being brought to Bragg Stadium. I know this for a fact. I was
IN THE KNOW and very close to the school until I moved. I know yall had principals, ADs, and parents, fans calling in about it, so yes. YALL CRIED about us saying NO to the horn. Why did we make a verbal agreement? Only blow it on scores? Yall agreed, but failed to have sportsmanship about it. Appomattox would give a rats tail if anyone said we couldnt bring the horn (but we dont bring it to away games). Rustburg and Giles has the loudest horns, but I think Rustburg has Giles on the sound barrier contest. Dont know when they got that thing, but its BLOOOOOOOOOWWWWWwwws!!!!!!
 
AdvocateOfMany434 said:
Quiet the noise. yall had people calling the school about the horn not being brought to Bragg Stadium. I know this for a fact. I was
IN THE KNOW and very close to the school until I moved. I know yall had principals, ADs, and parents, fans calling in about it, so yes. YALL CRIED about us saying NO to the horn. Why did we make a verbal agreement? Only blow it on scores? Yall agreed, but failed to have sportsmanship about it. Appomattox would give a rats tail if anyone said we couldnt bring the horn (but we dont bring it to away games). Rustburg and Giles has the loudest horns, but I think Rustburg has Giles on the sound barrier contest. Dont know when they got that thing, but its BLOOOOOOOOOWWWWWwwws!!!!!!
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Maybe u guys can talk to Rustburg and see where they got theirs then, your could def use the help. Or maybe u guys will see something from another school in the playoffs that u like and can add to your program next year. Is that not what your good at after all??
 
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