Hayfield

[BleedingNavy]

Please explain how would it wreck hs sports in more ways to come when Jerry Falwell literally did the same thing with his legal team against the VSHL 🤔? When they allowed a blatant private school join a public league, and not only join but dictate what Classification they would play in (3A) while bringing in a 4⭐️ high RB from New York. That my friend was the day the VHSL lost all it's accreditation and fair market value. So stop it. Until mass corruption is alleviated in totality, I don't want to hear it. And trust me. They wouldn't file that injunction is there wasn't tangible and validated supported evidence and documentation to win.

I totally agree with you on LCA and have expressed the lack of backbone displayed by the participating schools. I am firmly against any type of open enrollment, non custodial, permanent transfers and anything else deemed illegal by our current VHSL guidelines.

Again, read the injunction. It's signed by one parent. No other co-signers. It references the law suit (two different things) as evidence. I was simply using the example of financial loss to prove the justification of an injunction which I don't believe is relevant in this case.

Please take minute and contemplate this. If the Court rules against the member schools then it will make the VHSL irrelevant. This will create a version of the wild West thus giving each child the ability to play anywhere they want without consequences. I ask you again, is this what you want?

 

[BleedingNavy]

@Bucktown434, think of it this way. Everybody hates the NCAA, but it's a necessary evil. Without guidelines you simply have another pro league. What is sad is the people who advocate for the super conferences and super teams (high school and college) believe they are helping kids, but in reality they are creating fewer opportunities. Eventually, their will be no revenue for the outsiders thus eliminating scholarship opportunities and a chance to make it out. I have been fighting against this for the kids in Petersburg, Hopewell, Prince George and Dinwiddie for 35 years. You think I am going to stand idly by and watch their futures go down in smoke over some snake oil salesman. Hell to the No!

 

[DinwiddieProud]

Yea you know it all. I can't wait to see your response on Friday

All I do is that YOU IS BIG MAD. I mean you would think food is being taken off your table, and bills not getting paid the way yall have been praying for this to go in your favor lol. It's crazy.

How about this novel idea? How about we pray that that the outcome sets the example that violating rules that you agreed to abide by carries consequences?

 

[Bucktown434]

I totally agree with you on LCA and have expressed the lack of backbone displayed by the participating schools. I am firmly against any type of open enrollment, non custodial, permanent transfers and anything else deemed illegal by our current VHSL guidelines.

Again, read the injunction. It's signed by one parent. No other co-signers. It references the law suit (two different things) as evidence. I was simply using the example of financial loss to prove the justification of an injunction which I don't believe is relevant in this case.

Please take minute and contemplate this. If the Court rules against the member schools then it will make the VHSL irrelevant. This will create a version of the wild West thus giving each child the ability to play anywhere they want without consequences. I ask you again, is this what you want?

It's not about what I want at this point. I'm just a spectator looking from the outside of mass corruption in football on every single level. From Rec to the NFL. Competitive disadvantages have been created since the inception of sports. There is no such thing as moral compass, true integrity, or liberation. Let's keep it 💯 Mr Navy. Either we as men go watch the sport and or not support it. Period. We tell ourselves to root for the under dog (who do it by the book) and hate the ones who find loopholes and "cheat" to win, when in reality we don't have a clue what's going on.

 

[Bucktown434]

How about this novel idea? How about we pray that that the outcome sets the example that violating rules that you agreed to abide by carries consequences?

That's the thing. It won't! It will never change the system Dinwiddie Proud.

 

[WP02alum]

 

[2up2downNole]

The lower classification should just play anyways no matter what happens with this. They can't afford to have a delay, it will wreck their winter sports, the football players make up the basketball, wrestling and indoor track teams. Most schools can't field the other teams without the football players. Doesn't effect them one way so, who cares what is going on in NoVa. I still don't understand the fussing over a private school playing with the public schools. Just about every other state has multi private schools competiting against the publics. Va is just late to the party, but no need to get panties all in a wad. As long as the kids live in the school district it doesn't matter where they came from. Nobody is commuting from New York to Lynchburg so that has nothing to do with any of it. Things most be much different in NoVa and the tidewater with non moving transfers. Mass majority of the rest of the state doesn't even have those options or even concerns. But the local school system should never be allowed to conduct the final says investigation and never has before. The vhsl always conducts the deciding investigation. If these other past coaches got away with it, it is because nobody ever reported them to the vhsl. The vhsl doesn't go out actively looking for any of this, it has to be reported to them from a member institution. But it falls on the head coach and AD, they are responsible for the master eligibility list for their teams, it is their job to verify residency. If all the players live in the school district then there is no need for concern. But if they don't, then they are 365'd until that year is up. Only way around that would be open enrollment, but that only works if you live inside the county or city of that school system, can't come from different counties and cities and commute. It's where you lay your head at night 3 days a week. Not where you get mail or say you live. Should be pretty open and closed, they either all live in the district or they don't and then it is simple. But, it wasn't the vhsl that seeked hayfield out. Somebody in your own house turned it in or a neighboring school. That's the only way vhsl ever catches wind. What will be interesting is what attorney's in other parts of the state do, could see some lawsuits from other parts field against Hatfield. Definitely getting my popcorn out, but more than like won't be 💩.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

The lower classification should just play anyways no matter what happens with this. They can't afford to have a delay, it will wreck their winter sports, the football players make up the basketball, wrestling and indoor track teams. Most schools can't field the other teams without the football players. Doesn't affect them one way so, who cares what is going on in NoVa. I still don't understand the fussing over a private school playing with the public schools. Just about every other state has multi private schools competiting against the publics. Va is just late to the party, but no need to get panties all in a wad. As long as the kids live in the school district it doesn't matter where they came from. Nobody is commuting from New York to Lynchburg so that has nothing to do with any of it. Things most be much different in NoVa and the tidewater with non moving transfers. Mass majority of the rest of the state doesn't even have those options or even concerns. But the local school system should never be allowed to conduct the final says investigation and never has before. The vhsl always conducts the deciding investigation. If these other past coaches got away with it, it is because nobody ever reported them to the vhsl. The vhsl doesn't go out actively looking for any of this, it has to be reported to them from a member institution. But it falls on the head coach and AD, they are responsible for the master eligibility list for their teams, it is their job to verify residency. If all the players live in the school district then there is no need for concern. But if they don't, then they are 365'd until that year is up. Only way around that would be open enrollment, but that only works if you live inside the county or city of that school system, can't come from different counties and cities and commute. It's where you lay your head at night 3 days a week. Not where you get mail or say you live. Should be pretty open and closed, they either all live in the district or they don't and then it is simple. But, it wasn't the vhsl that seeked hayfield out. Somebody in your own house turned it in or a neighboring school. That's the only way vhsl ever catches wind. What will be interesting is what attorney's in other parts of the state do, could see some lawsuits from other parts field against Hatfield. Definitely getting my popcorn out, but more than like won't be 💩.

Great write up. Most larger localities hire residency compliance officials within their school system to investigate any student in question. We know there’s some sketchy stuff going on with Hayfield but if FCPS has “investigated” and found no issues, then there’s technically nothing the VHSL can really do. It’s not like they can leave Charlottesville and post up at a student athlete’s house in question way in Alexandria. IMO, had Hayfield’s coaches just stayed lowkey, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

 

[Phoebus Fan]

Great write up. Most larger localities hire residency compliance officials within their school system to investigate any student in question. We know there’s some sketchy stuff going on with Hayfield but if FCPS has “investigated” and found no issues, then there’s technically nothing the VHSL can really do. It’s not like they can leave Charlottesville and post up at a student athlete’s house in question way in Alexandria. IMO, had Hayfield’s coaches just stayed lowkey, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Just curious how were they supposed to stay lowkey? So many people hated on DO at Freedom and when he took his players he brought up since youth league with him to a new school it was only a matter of time people would complain.

Sidenote i saw PME at the state championships last weekend and wow they got some talent coming up. DO might have to go coach private school to avoid this happening again

 

[BoKnowsSports]

Just curious how were they supposed to stay lowkey? So many people hated on DO at Freedom and when he took his players he brought up since youth league with him to a new school it was only a matter of time people would complain.

Sidenote i saw PME at the state championships last weekend and wow they got some talent coming up. DO might have to go coach private school to avoid this happening again

Bro we both understand the code. If we’re both out doing something illegal and we know it’s hot, we’re not going to bring more attention to ourselves. Check their twitter pages and look at the back and forth with opposing teams, fan bases, and critics. Those coaches were poking the bear. @Bucktown434 made the point that these were black coaches and you, me, and most black folk know that there are a lot of people that didn’t want to see those guys be successful. They were too high key.

 

[Phoebus Fan]

Bro we both understand the code. If we’re both out doing something illegal and we know it’s hot, we’re not going to bring more attention to ourselves. Check their twitter pages and look at the back and forth with opposing teams, fan bases, and critics. Those coaches were poking the bear. @Bucktown434 made the point that these were black coaches and you, me, and most black folk know that there are a lot of people that didn’t want to see those guys be successful. They were too high key.

I don’t agree with how they did everything and really consider that back and forth online bs very rec league coach like. But hey they have reason to talk so until somebody shuts them up then so be it. They trained these players from kids to young adults…for lack of better wording they “made” this team. I just don’t like how people seem to want to make it bigger than players following their coach…literally all it is. DO has one of the most successful youth organizations in the state so no clue why it would be a surprise his players want to play for him at the Hs level no matter what it takes.


Btw Bo whatever Hs in Richmond that gets the talent from the Glen Lea youth teams is going to be a force in the state within next 3-4 years. I’m sure the majority of them will stay together at next level…and i see zero problem with it.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

I don’t agree with how they did everything and really consider that back and forth online bs very rec league coach like. But hey they have reason to talk so until somebody shuts them up then so be it. They trained these players from kids to young adults…for lack of better wording they “made” this team. I just don’t like how people seem to want to make it bigger than players following their coach…literally all it is. DO has one of the most successful youth organizations in the state so no clue why it would be a surprise his players want to play for him at the Hs level no matter what it takes.


Btw Bo whatever Hs in Richmond that gets the talent from the Glen Lea youth teams is going to be a force in the state within next 3-4 years. I’m sure the majority of them will stay together at next level…and i see zero problem with it.

Yeah I agree with 95% of your points but, the “having reasons to talk” led to a lot of unhappy people who were out to get them and they left a paper trail. I live by the stay down til you come up motto. They have a successful youth league organization, they’ve won 3 state championships (was going to get #4 this year), they were going to build a state/national public school in the talent rich DMV area, and they run a good program minus the off the field antics. They were reckless.

Glen Lea is 90% Varina and Highland Springs. You’ll have a very small percentage of kids going to Trinity, Benedictine, or other county schools. A good majority of the 90% goes to Springs but the V gets a good chunk too.

 

[edwinanderson2nd]

Those Glen Lea kids probably going to Varina, HSHS, and Henrico