State Championships are won in playoffs. If a team goes 10-0 in regular season and they lose first game of playoffs, they are done. I have seen it happen. A team has to be able to win in November and December to win state championship.
In the west....the points system works
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I think we can all agree that the system better than it was....Giles knocked glenvar out of the playoffs a couple of times at 9-1...and i truly believe giles had state championship caliber team knocked out of the playoffs in 99 at 8-2...lost to a good christiansburg team and a questionable loss to Floyd who went on to lose state in a close game.....should be at least .500 to get in...but this year in particular the top 4 teams are playing each other...so we know the points system actually works whether it's anot 8 or 12 or 16 team bracket
The best 4 teams in state are playing each other. The 2 losers in Saturday's games could win state championship if they were not matched up as they are. I expect the 2 winners to meet again in salem.
One thing you have to remember is that teams still HAVE to play the teams in their district, and that can hurt a lot of folks. You have teams all the time beat some team in their district that is winless and DROP in the points. But as to your at least top 2 teams discussion, so then that would be 14 teams, so top 2 get a BYE? I will give you 2 examples of why that wouldn't really work out. 6A North Conference 11 and 12, (1) Highland Springs 9-1, (2) Hermitage 10-0, (3) L.C. Bird 10-0. So you are going to tell that 3 seed that did everything they were supposed to that another team gets a BYE not them? 4A West, (1) Jefferson Forest 10-0, John Champe 10-0, Salem 10-0. I know this one a little bit more. That 3 seed Salem team beat everyone they played HANDILY. Their last game of the regular season was against a team that was 9-0, and they won that game 42-13. They had a game against Carrol County that was forfeited, and if that had not have happened, they would have had more points. And I know this means nothing, but Max Preps rankings has it as follows: In the state, Salem-8, Jefferson Forest-10, John Champe-20.
Lets face it everyone, there is positives and negatives to the playoff system. Sure a team with 2-3 wins will get in some places, but you also have these teams that have good records that get in because of it and sometimes in the bottom 4. Here is some records that would miss out if there were 8 teams: 7-3 5 times and many 6-4 teams would miss out if there were 8 or 12. So whats more important? Keeping out the few teams that get in with less than .500 records? Or having the teams this year in it?
Of course they wouldn't be out in either scenario, but having this mindset of lower seeds aren't that good and things and don't deserve it, well Abingdon this year is 11-1, a 7 seed and just beat 2 seed who was 9-3 after that game. And lets not forget to add Waynesboro to that mix from last year. 5-5 #16 seed who beat #1 seed the first week 46-15, next week beat #8 seed 41-14, then lost to #4 seed 33-28. You are telling me they didn't belong?
Personally, I like the current format, but I wouldn't be opposed to a 12 team bracket instead of 16. I think 8 is too few. And you are right, it is about money.
Does a 3-7 team really deserve to be in the playoffs? No, not really. 5-5? Some years, yes. I know the 5-5 2013 Lee High team was a very good team and lost 3 of those games by 7 points or less. Could have easily been 8-2
To answer your question though.... The 2012 Stuart's Draft team made it to the 3rd round and was in that game with Wilson Memorial until the last half of the 4th quarter. I watched it live on the SVS broadcast.
2014's Waynesboro team(16th) made it to round 3 as well, and barely lost. That is the farthest that I'm aware of, but I really only keep up with 2A.
Last year, the VHSL lost a ton of money doing the playoffs. Keep in mind they do reimbursements for travel, lodging, diesel, etc. That is the main reason they proposed to change the format in the future earlier this year. The aim is to cut down on cost and keep the early rounds more regional than they currently are. As for teams having to play teams in their district, the points system gives bonus points for teams of a higher classification playing teams of a lower classification as long as it is a district game.
I think you are correct on both Stuarts Draft and Waynesboro. Now you wanna talk about a drive, Stuarts Draft to Union that year, WOW. If we are going by if a seed makes it or not, last year a 1 seed didn't deserve a spot. It all depends on matchups, and how a team is playing going into playoffs. ANYONE can be beat
Waynesboro caught a 1 seed who had just suffered injuries to very key players.
2nd round rematch against a team they should have beaten in the regular season.
3rd round was also a rematch of a game they should have won in the regular season (as well as the playoffs)
They fell into very fortunate circumstances come playoff time. Still impressive though
2nd round rematch against a team they should have beaten in the regular season.
3rd round was also a rematch of a game they should have won in the regular season (as well as the playoffs)
They fell into very fortunate circumstances come playoff time. Still impressive though
Gunz might be able to tell you for certain, but I think they were 13. They knocked off #4 Dan River. #12 Union knocked off #5 Graham, so Union actually got to host a 2nd round game as a 12 seed.
Draft won 28-21 after driving 5 hours down to BSG, playing a game, and then had to drive 5 hours back. Was always impressed by that.
vHSL doesn't get any more money from additional playoff games. The vhsl gets the money from semifinals and finals only. The regions may benefit from additional rounds but not the vhsl. If it was only about the money than a few regions wouldn't have dropped four games from the playoffs.
Yes, it goes to each region. VHSL only gets semifinals and finals for football. They went back to quarterfinals for state tourney in basketball for this year because of the revenue shortfall and may add quarterfinals to other sports for the state tournament in the future. VHSL only pays for mileage, rooms, etc, under certain conditions and for state games only, other reimbursement comes from regions or conferences. Vhsl lost money for two years in a row and part of that was the Lca lawsuit.
It's extremely expensive to put on events when you really start to think about it. Officers at a minimum area about $100 each, civilian security at 25$ per hour, custodial at 15-20 per hour, judges/officials, ticket takers, score keepers, venue... Now think about all the events at region, conference, state level that bring in little or no revenue such as forensics, theatre, tennis, softball, baseball, film, Debate, golf, creative writing, Swim/dive. VHSL also lost money last year because the weather was so bad that wrestling was a one day event and that normally makes a little money instead of losing.
I could be reading this wrong, but from the 2015-16 VHSL policy manual......
9-4-1 District, Regional, Conference and State Contest Funds-One hundred percent
of the funds realized from district and conference activities and 65 percent of the funds
realized from regional activities, after authorized expenses, shall be utilized or distributed
as directed by the appropriate District, Conference or Regional Council. Thirty-fi ve percent
of the net income from each regional contest and the entire net income from state contests
shall be deposited into the League's treasury.
Looks like the VHSL gets 35%.
Wow, I was told by my AD that they didn't get anything from regional contests. I will ask on Monday. I wonder if vapreps rod can investigate and help clarify? I just read over a regional handbook and it didn't have any mention of kicking up 35% of the net to VHSL.
"Regional contests" = state semifinals, I believe.
I've been told numerous times that VHSL only collects money at Final Four and State Championship games.
In fact, it was probably the primary reason that 6A South stopped cross-bracketing at the regional semifinal level because the region wants to keep the money from Oscar Smith vs Ocean Lakes rather than delaying that game to the Final Four and NOT getting money for it.
I would love to know for sure. I can't find anything that specifically says where the money goes.
I've been told since the 90's that VHSL gets money from playoff games. Some folks from Union High said they did as well.
I did notice that at the top of the VHSL official pairings for this week's games, it says this...
2015 VHSL Third Round Region Football Pairings
I did find this from a VHSL contract for hosting a district tournament...
3. PAYMENT
For hosting the tournament, VHSL agrees to pay the host $_______________ (the Payment). Within 10(ten) business days following the tournament’s completion, host shall deliver to VHSL revenue from the tournament including all ticket sales, gate receipts, broadcast and telecast fees, video sales, and VHSL produced program sales. Within 5 (five) business days of VHSL’s receipt of the revenue, VHSL shall make the Payment to host.
If they are getting a cut from a district tournament(basket ball, volleyball, etc..), one would think they are getting a cut from football playoffs. A lot of money from a football playoff game.
3. PAYMENT
For hosting the tournament, VHSL agrees to pay the host $_______________ (the Payment). Within 10(ten) business days following the tournament’s completion, host shall deliver to VHSL revenue from the tournament including all ticket sales, gate receipts, broadcast and telecast fees, video sales, and VHSL produced program sales. Within 5 (five) business days of VHSL’s receipt of the revenue, VHSL shall make the Payment to host.
If they are getting a cut from a district tournament(basket ball, volleyball, etc..), one would think they are getting a cut from football playoffs. A lot of money from a football playoff game.
I found the vhsl policy manual on their website, it says the vhsl grants regional and districts financial autonomy Regarding funds received from contests but those accounts remain the legal property of the VHSL - don't know what that means.
Sounds like a convoluted mess, huh? Maybe the same folks that created the IRS tax code started the VHSL.
Nope, just the just the same ones that come up with the playoff system. I would think it would be spelled out pretty clear who gets what, especially since we all know football is the only real money generator in high school sports.Sounds like a convoluted mess, huh? Maybe the same folks that created the IRS tax code started the VHSL.
Yes they do get extra points for that, but it is 2 bonus points (may be 2 bonus points per classification). But still effects these really good teams that are in bad districts. Those 2 points would equal 1 more win for a team
Yes a #13 seed. Here were the scores and the rankings of the teams they played: 1st round- #4 Dan River (9-1)- Stuarts Draft won the game 55-27; 2nd Round- #12 Union (7-3 regular season, beat 7-3 Graham)- Stuarts Draft won the game 28-21; 3rd Round- I believe Wilson was the #1 seed (9-1 regular season)- Wilson won the game 27-12 which if I remember correctly was a really close game into the 4th quarter and Wilson scored a couple late (I could be wrong), I remember that it was close into 2nd half.
Can you do some more checking? I was told from someone today at my local school that the VHSL does indeed get 35% of the profit from all regional games. This would mean that I would have to eat a little crow, although it won't be the first and definitely won't be the last.
