King & Queen Central Cancels Season
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I'm not sure about the season being cancelled, but it is confirmed they have forfeited this week due to suspension and injuries . That program should look to combine with another school in the future.
Very sad news. Wins have been hard to come by for the Royal Tigers lately , but I have admired their willingness to compete despite the odds. I seem to recall they even won state once. They are currently the smallest school in the state to field a varsity football team, so probably it was just a matter of having enough healthy players. I hope to see them back next year.
Have there been any instances of schools combining for football from different school divisions? Bland and Rocky Gap had a combined football team before the schools consolidated, but they were both part of the Bland county school division. There were many years that the Richmond city schools combined with each other. None of these situations involved schools from different school systems. Is it even allowed? I've heard the same idea talked about with Highland and Bath counties, but I think that discussion involves either consolidating the both school divisions entirely, or Highland contracting education out to the Bath county school system for their students, not just sports and activities.
Many will never know the struggles us small schools face to field football teams. This is a perfect example. Often times you have kids that want to play end up convincing kids that don't want to play play just so they can have a team. That becomes a coaching nightmare. Try and discipline them and they will quit. It sucks. SO you start the season off never knowing what you have and hope for the best. Every now and then you field a competitive team, but rarely capable of competing at the higher level. As far KQ is concerned there has been talk for years of them splitting and being absorbed by WP, KW, and Msex. Quite a few are closer to MSex and WP anyway.
I grew up in King and Queen but started going to Essex starting in 7th grade. Because of the odd shape of the county many people live closer to schools in other counties. For example, I lived in the upper end of the county and was about 15 minutes from both Essex High School and King William, but 30 minutes from Central High School. On top of the school being small and struggling with numbers, imagine trying to get kids together for summer workouts and stuff like that when the county is 60 miles long and the drive to school can be close to an hour depending on where you are. It's the only school in the county and not like some other small schools that draw from a small area (Colonial Beach, West Point, Franklin).It's an uphill battle for sure.
Sad to hear this. I thought they had a shot at keeping it close this week too.
Smh sucks for the kids. Thought they had a shot this week and with this schedule where they dropped all the non district public in favor of smaller private schools. Hopefully at least their JV team continues to play to build on the future. Believe it or not there are athletes in that county
Agreed, I was interested to see how they could do v Mathews.
How will this impact the seedings race in regards to points?
That will be the interesting part. The teams playing them will either divide their total by 9 without playing them or it will count as a forfeit in which they will get the same points as if they were to beat them. I would imagine it will be forfeits since some teams are counting on them to get that 16 points for a win. Middlesex and Charles City would be the most affected if it doesn't count for anything but it would have minimal effect.
For example= 140 total points for 10 games= 14.0
140-16= 124 for 9 games= 13.77
This obviously doesn't count the bonus points for teams beating K+Q.
It may also be worth noting that a team like WP might actually benefit from not playing them and not having it count. If WP totals around 200 for 10 games they would have a 20.0 avg. IF they didn't have to count K+Q= 184 for 9 games= 20.44.
Basically any team that is going to average over 16.1 would benefit from not counting them. any team under 16 would want to add the 16 for their average.
Basically any team that is going to average over 16.1 would benefit from not counting them. any team under 16 would want to add the 16 for their average.
The teams will that will not being playing King & Queen will by all accounts receive forfeit from them. It would not be fair to punish those schools for lack of participation on KQ part this late in the season. Otherwise the win would have to come off of those schools that they did play which most certainly will not happen.
I think if you follow HP's post about rating points, counting the game as a forfeit DOES punish them. A 16 point game is better than a loss, but without bonus points may be a drag on some teams points. I hope this doesn't prevent some team from making the playoffs.
Wow they're a small school, bout the same size a Hurley I think. Hopefully they can find away to finish the season.
Right now it's no impact on ratings whatsoever since teams are now involved in district play. K&Q didn't face any VHSL-playoff eligible teams during its nondistrict schedule so no team will be impacted there either.
Since the Tidewater teams will only be playing each other for the remainder of the season it's all a wash at the end. Each team will get 16 points from K&Q.
Hypothetically, let's say K&Q would've won 2 games. That would give each team that beat K&Q 20 points and two points less from the teams K&Q defeated in this scenario if those teams were to lose.
Not sure if I explained this well, but it's all a wash.
Hypothetically, let's say K&Q would've won 2 games. That would give each team that beat K&Q 20 points and two points less from the teams K&Q defeated in this scenario if those teams were to lose.
Not sure if I explained this well, but it's all a wash.
I dont know the team, or area, or schedule, don't know much I guess you could say haha.
But I think what people were saying is there is a difference in points whether it's a forfeit vs not counting at all.
Say a team they play has 180 points not counting them. If the game doesn't count, that is 180 out of 9 games or a 20.0 average. If the game counts as a forfeit, 16 point makes 196 out of 10 games, or a 19.6.
So it COULD effect teams for seed or possibly making it in
But I think what people were saying is there is a difference in points whether it's a forfeit vs not counting at all.
Say a team they play has 180 points not counting them. If the game doesn't count, that is 180 out of 9 games or a 20.0 average. If the game counts as a forfeit, 16 point makes 196 out of 10 games, or a 19.6.
So it COULD effect teams for seed or possibly making it in
I'm sorry but it absolutely will effect ratings. Ratings come from the whole season not just district play.
Doesn't matter if any schools are eligible for playoffs. They played vhsl and Virginia private schools so those games count. Both for them and teams that play teams that play k+q. For example CB will get 2 bonus points for a WP win over k+q.
Also not following the thought to give all the TD teams 20. King and queen hasnt won a game. If they were to win two hypothetical games, they'd have to be district games. I think it makes the most sense for it to be forfeits. But the salem CC deal says otherwise
Doesn't matter if any schools are eligible for playoffs. They played vhsl and Virginia private schools so those games count. Both for them and teams that play teams that play k+q. For example CB will get 2 bonus points for a WP win over k+q.
Also not following the thought to give all the TD teams 20. King and queen hasnt won a game. If they were to win two hypothetical games, they'd have to be district games. I think it makes the most sense for it to be forfeits. But the salem CC deal says otherwise
The 20 point was a hypothetical based on if they were to win 2 games. That cant happen now. They will finish 0-10. And I do not see how their remaining games could be anything but forfeits so everyone will get the same points as if they beat them, which they likely would have anyway with the exception of Mathews, whom they were suppose to'play tonite and could have competed with.
They did not cancel in 1994. I played against them in 1994, 1995, 1996, and recall we played them a few more years after that. In 1994 they were very competitive as well as in 1996.
They did call the game at halftime against us in 1995. We were up 42-0 by then with all of our second string playing. They suffered a few injuries that night and did not have enough guys to finish out the game (they were down in numbers, but so was my team, we had 26 on the roster).
You might be correct, it must have been 1995 when we played them for the first time. We always opened the season with them for many years after we started playing. I remember our coaches telling us that K&Q had won the states a few years before we played them. We did not know much about the team other than they had won a state title in 1990 and had made the playoffs in the past year or so. I remember my senior year going to K&Q and it was a very close game (however, we were not very good that year)
