LC Bird 82 points?
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My Facebook post from Tuesday
One of those turning points nobody really recognizes at the time.
1999 George Wythe - Richmond plays L. C. Bird. Wythe was having it's best season since the Richmond complexes unmerged. They came into the game 8-1. Bird was 9-0 after a 1998 season where they went 6-4 and missed the playoffs for the only time in the last 24 years. Wythe gave the Skyhawks all they wanted and Bird had to fight for a 29-26 win. It's the closest game Wythe ever gave Bird in the 29 game history of the series.
Since then George Wythe has gone 13-126. They have only won 1 of their last 99 and are currently on a 25 game losing streak (they beat Greensville in 2011), so that means that had a 74 game losing streak before that win.
Bird, of course, has gone 145-26 since that game with with half of those losses coming in the playoffs. They won 5 regional titles and the last two state titles and are now riding a 30 game win streak. No game between the two since then has been closer than 28-6 and Bird racked up the most ridiculous statistics ever in their 72-0 victory last year as they held Wythe to negative 75 yards of offense.
How could we have known in 1999 when two evenly matched teams were playing for a district title at the end of the season that the teams would go in such opposite directions?
Bird has more than twice as many students as George Wythe, as does almost all of the Dominion District. Maybe, the VHSL ought to take a look at Wythe's district placement. This can't be good for their school in any way, shape or form.
This post was edited on 9/13 4:58 AM by GilliamRatings
One of those turning points nobody really recognizes at the time.
1999 George Wythe - Richmond plays L. C. Bird. Wythe was having it's best season since the Richmond complexes unmerged. They came into the game 8-1. Bird was 9-0 after a 1998 season where they went 6-4 and missed the playoffs for the only time in the last 24 years. Wythe gave the Skyhawks all they wanted and Bird had to fight for a 29-26 win. It's the closest game Wythe ever gave Bird in the 29 game history of the series.
Since then George Wythe has gone 13-126. They have only won 1 of their last 99 and are currently on a 25 game losing streak (they beat Greensville in 2011), so that means that had a 74 game losing streak before that win.
Bird, of course, has gone 145-26 since that game with with half of those losses coming in the playoffs. They won 5 regional titles and the last two state titles and are now riding a 30 game win streak. No game between the two since then has been closer than 28-6 and Bird racked up the most ridiculous statistics ever in their 72-0 victory last year as they held Wythe to negative 75 yards of offense.
How could we have known in 1999 when two evenly matched teams were playing for a district title at the end of the season that the teams would go in such opposite directions?
Bird has more than twice as many students as George Wythe, as does almost all of the Dominion District. Maybe, the VHSL ought to take a look at Wythe's district placement. This can't be good for their school in any way, shape or form.
This post was edited on 9/13 4:58 AM by GilliamRatings
Re: My Facebook post from Tuesday
P.S. When I look at the stats of the game, it doesn't look like Bird tried to run it up. 70-0 at halftime. Unfamiliar names getting touchdowns in the first quarter.
One thing's for sure watching scores the last two or three years. Many schools could put up triple digits these days if they really wanted to.
This post was edited on 9/13 5:01 AM by GilliamRatings
P.S. When I look at the stats of the game, it doesn't look like Bird tried to run it up. 70-0 at halftime. Unfamiliar names getting touchdowns in the first quarter.
One thing's for sure watching scores the last two or three years. Many schools could put up triple digits these days if they really wanted to.
This post was edited on 9/13 5:01 AM by GilliamRatings
It is long overdue that Richmond City as well as some other
area schools reconsider what they are doing regarding their district. This continued farce was a major driver in moving towards the alignment system we have when less resistance may have preserved the old system and regions. I believe that the VHSL had tried to prod them into change but they refused. I don't grasp why there can't be a district of Wythe, Huguenot, TJ, JM, Armstrong, CH, Petersburg, and Hopewell......basically a 3A district, more competitive in football, a basketball power.
area schools reconsider what they are doing regarding their district. This continued farce was a major driver in moving towards the alignment system we have when less resistance may have preserved the old system and regions. I believe that the VHSL had tried to prod them into change but they refused. I don't grasp why there can't be a district of Wythe, Huguenot, TJ, JM, Armstrong, CH, Petersburg, and Hopewell......basically a 3A district, more competitive in football, a basketball power.
I'll say only one this about this. Wythe finally decided to drop Bird after this season, and Bird was (puzzlingly) quite upset about it. I think that played into the score. I think it's ridiculous that Bird is jaded about Wythe wanting to play someone they can actually compete with. I think 82 points is shameful...
Old Indian, I agree with you. And Wildcat, I think you are seeing something that is just not there. Bird is so highly competitive that you could almost say they are arrogant. But, they have way too much class to try to punish a bunch of innocent kids because the school decided to drop them from their schedule.
I said this numerous times last season, it is time for all districts to take a step back and reconsider their football scheduling. With the district standing having absolutely no bearing anymore, release the teams to schedule reasonable competition in football. I know a few districts still recognize a district champ. And where this works, good for you. Other than those that are content with their time honored scheduling, the rest need to realize something. If the districts are good for scheduling and travel considerations, then wise up on football. If you try to hold a school's feet to the fire because they want to drop certain district foes, they may well say adios to district membership. Which starts the unravelling of district affiliation. District affiliation is optional, remember?
A quick example that I have used before, what possible good is it for 3a Colonial Heights to be playing mostly 4a, 5,a & 6a Central District opponents, that they have almost no chance of being competitive with? And a schedule like their's almost guarantees that they will never enjoy the opportunity to make the playoffs.
The VHSL could help this situation by dropping the rider points for playing district opponents. If they simply drop these rider points, it is still fair and equatable to all schools.
This post was edited on 9/14 8:57 PM by DinwiddieProud
This post was edited on 9/14 9:00 PM by DinwiddieProud
I said this numerous times last season, it is time for all districts to take a step back and reconsider their football scheduling. With the district standing having absolutely no bearing anymore, release the teams to schedule reasonable competition in football. I know a few districts still recognize a district champ. And where this works, good for you. Other than those that are content with their time honored scheduling, the rest need to realize something. If the districts are good for scheduling and travel considerations, then wise up on football. If you try to hold a school's feet to the fire because they want to drop certain district foes, they may well say adios to district membership. Which starts the unravelling of district affiliation. District affiliation is optional, remember?
A quick example that I have used before, what possible good is it for 3a Colonial Heights to be playing mostly 4a, 5,a & 6a Central District opponents, that they have almost no chance of being competitive with? And a schedule like their's almost guarantees that they will never enjoy the opportunity to make the playoffs.
The VHSL could help this situation by dropping the rider points for playing district opponents. If they simply drop these rider points, it is still fair and equatable to all schools.
This post was edited on 9/14 8:57 PM by DinwiddieProud
This post was edited on 9/14 9:00 PM by DinwiddieProud
Whatever way you look at it, 82 points IS punishing a bunch of innocent kids and the coaches. There's no need to score that much . . .
What would you have them do? Tell the third string to just take a knee starting in the second quarter? That, to me, is even more insulting to George Wythe.
Bird won the toss, deferred to the second half, then chose to kick off to Wythe again. There were so many delay of game calls against Wythe that Bird declined that they finally turned off the on-field play clock so the refs would stop throwing flags for delays.
The Bird starters played less than a full quarter and then got pulled for the second and third string. After the first few drives there was very little pass game to speak of (starting QB was 3 of 5 for 48 yards before he was pulled). They weren't out there throwing every possession to run up the score, almost all the damage was on the ground. I guess when the third string running back gets into the open field he's supposed to "accidentally" trip to avoid scoring another touchdown.
The Wythe kids played hard and they should be commended for their efforts. Bird's second and third string are out there every day practicing just as hard as the starters, so I don't see why they should be criticized for actually playing the game when they had the chance.
Bird won the toss, deferred to the second half, then chose to kick off to Wythe again. There were so many delay of game calls against Wythe that Bird declined that they finally turned off the on-field play clock so the refs would stop throwing flags for delays.
The Bird starters played less than a full quarter and then got pulled for the second and third string. After the first few drives there was very little pass game to speak of (starting QB was 3 of 5 for 48 yards before he was pulled). They weren't out there throwing every possession to run up the score, almost all the damage was on the ground. I guess when the third string running back gets into the open field he's supposed to "accidentally" trip to avoid scoring another touchdown.
The Wythe kids played hard and they should be commended for their efforts. Bird's second and third string are out there every day practicing just as hard as the starters, so I don't see why they should be criticized for actually playing the game when they had the chance.
I can understand your point of view Wildcat, but you really need to listen to what Hawks is saying. Last year, Dinwiddie scored more points than any team in the state, I believe. Coach Mills was quick on the trigger when it became obvious what the outcome was going to be. Liberally substituting as early as possible was always done. But probably half of the points were scored by players on the second, third, and sometimes fourth string players. Coach Mills, just like Coach Bidwell, and virtually all high school coaches, would never purposely run the score up on a hapless opponent, as was the case in this game. Remember, it was 70 to nothing at the half. That means they virtually took the proverbial "knee" in the second half.
And I'll say this. If any coach told his players to not play hard, and to "not" finish every play, he should "not" be coaching. There are ways to manage a game like this without telling your kids to quit playing hard.
And if I was the coach on the losing side, and the opposing coach told his players to "not" play hard, I would be so highly insulted, that he and I would have a man to man discussion, with not so nice verbiage.
So, if what you say Wildcat is true, then show some evidence and keep it in the forefront. Because if they are guilty of poor sportsmanship, then they need to be made accountable.
But, as I believe, Bird took the high road, and handled an awkward situation with class and dignity for both teams, they need to be praised, not criticized.
And I'll say this. If any coach told his players to not play hard, and to "not" finish every play, he should "not" be coaching. There are ways to manage a game like this without telling your kids to quit playing hard.
And if I was the coach on the losing side, and the opposing coach told his players to "not" play hard, I would be so highly insulted, that he and I would have a man to man discussion, with not so nice verbiage.
So, if what you say Wildcat is true, then show some evidence and keep it in the forefront. Because if they are guilty of poor sportsmanship, then they need to be made accountable.
But, as I believe, Bird took the high road, and handled an awkward situation with class and dignity for both teams, they need to be praised, not criticized.
One last thing. I, of course was not at this game, but if the referees did a good job, my hat's off to them. This had to be a real challenge for them, and I trust they did the best they could do, given the situation.
I don't disagree, HR6
Frankly, I think district type schedules will be mostly gone in the next couple of cycles. But, this isn't about districts. This is more a reflection of just had bad it has become for Ricmond City football, especially at Wythe.
Frankly, I think district type schedules will be mostly gone in the next couple of cycles. But, this isn't about districts. This is more a reflection of just had bad it has become for Ricmond City football, especially at Wythe.
Re: It is long overdue that Richmond City as well as some other
Well there would be that type of a district but does those school offer the same sports as ch. No they don't that is the reason ch would never drop done to 2a before back in 2004 when they decided to stay in 3a before the whole alignment happened
Well there would be that type of a district but does those school offer the same sports as ch. No they don't that is the reason ch would never drop done to 2a before back in 2004 when they decided to stay in 3a before the whole alignment happened
I actually don't think the schools have an option yet. I think they have to play their district schedule unless they're three or more classes apart.
virginiapussycat said.......
Whatever way you look at it, 82 points IS punishing a bunch of innocent kids and the coaches. There's no need to score that much . . .
What would tell the kids from L.C Bird.... stop playing and let the other team score. Bottom line is it's 11 on 11 shut up your crying and play football.
Whatever way you look at it, 82 points IS punishing a bunch of innocent kids and the coaches. There's no need to score that much . . .
What would tell the kids from L.C Bird.... stop playing and let the other team score. Bottom line is it's 11 on 11 shut up your crying and play football.
virginiapussycat said......just fill in the blanks with what ever word you want to.
I'll say only one this about this. Wythe finally decided to drop Bird after this season, and Bird was (puzzlingly) quite upset about it. I think that played into the score. I think it's ridiculous that Bird is jaded about Wythe wanting to play someone they can actually compete with. I think 82 points is shameful...
I think scoring 0 is more shameful... so let it be and stop your crying.
I'll say only one this about this. Wythe finally decided to drop Bird after this season, and Bird was (puzzlingly) quite upset about it. I think that played into the score. I think it's ridiculous that Bird is jaded about Wythe wanting to play someone they can actually compete with. I think 82 points is shameful...
I think scoring 0 is more shameful... so let it be and stop your crying.
I didn't run my mouth. I told you to grow up because you were acting the way your acting right now. Seriously dude, grow up...
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