Spoke to an assistant with the jv fb team and PM is planning on resting 10 starters this Friday vs Bath County. I doubt this will make much difference but I sure would like to see Nelson get some yards towards the career record. Smart move on the Blues part?
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I just hope they don't get to cocky, I remember a couple years ago they came down to our plays and beat us.
This is the most ignorant post I have seen. Don't know who you "supposedly" spoke to but they have "NO CLUE". We are not resting anyone. After what happened last year, I can 100% guarantee (not a guess, a guarantee) that the goal is to "Beat the Brakes" off of Bath. We are NOT taking anyone for granted, We are NOT looking past this week.
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You are the same idiot that posted..............................."Rumors, I say again rumors. I've heard from very reliable sources that this will be PM head coach Mike Crafts last season. Anyone else heard that? Name I've been hearing is Fields, Bath Co former coach is coming."
There is NO TRUTH to that either. You may want to stop posting info from your supposed sources because they are DUMBA$$E$.
There is NO TRUTH to that either. You may want to stop posting info from your supposed sources because they are DUMBA$$E$.
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Hey legend killer , are you a coach or a player? I hope not, coming on here and talking to one of your fans like that. He said that he herd it from someone else and if your not a coach or player you should how the hell would you know what the game plan is. Just saying. GO BLUE
Legend killer, let me tell you something about me. I don't sit around my house drinking coffee making up things to post in here. Not sure what affiliations you have with the school, I have none but I just stated what I was told to me by someone who I thought was a reliable source! If that bothers you then that's totally fine with me. Maybe you should get word to the PM staff to not hire such loose lipped people who are a waste of a coaching position! This is a discussion board, get over it. The same person told me and others about a coaching change as well. You would think a person in his position and day job that he would have more integrity in what he says rather than spreading something that's not true. So calm your tits, if it isn't true, it isn't true simple as that!
Not a coach, but a friend of the program that does not like posts that would be harmful to the kids or the program. Putting it out there that a coach is leaving or that we are sitting half of the team could be a distraction. If you truly want this team to do well, you won't put distractions out there.
Everyone is a friend of the program, I bleed blue. I do agree with you on somethings it's just the way you go about saying it. Maybe the PROGRAM needs to seal the loose lips and shit wouldn't get out. If it's on here I can guarantee you the young men already know.
I know that a player told me that Craft addressed the team a few weeks back and told them that the rumor about him leaving was not true. Just want these kids to be able to have fun.
Aren't message boards where rumors are flushed out to see if they are true? Plus we are talking about a game that literally no one outside of two tiny areas cares about, so maybe it did do more good than harm.
This "old ballsack" has lived many years and has more football knowledge in my left big toe than you have in that pea of a brain than you do I can assure you of that. If I didn't I wouldn't have been a part of 6 state title teams as a player and a coach. I think that some of the people on here get a little butthurt when something is said that they don't like or in this case a rumor that was started by somebody obviously not as knowledgeable as you and the almighty legend killer! I'm 57 years old, I say what I want when I want the last time I checked it was my right son. I will double check my sources in the near future but one would think if it came from a supposed reliable source it would be right, I guess not. Until then, Go blues have a good run in the playoffs and maybe some of the "die hard" know it all fans will learn to take a chill pill and stop being idiots and rude on a site where it's football talk. Grow a set why don't ya.
Richard Carter was at Lexington high in the early 70's so you missed out on playing against him. Lexington was AA anyway. Did you play vs Bowling Green in '75? That game must have been a classic! Clintwood cane up to VMI in 78 and whooped PM, stopped a 26 game win streak.
Yes it was game! Beat them 10-7. I think that was about the only year PM didn't make the playoffs but they made up for it after that. Are we in the same age range?
I'm a bit younger than you. I just love the history of the game is all. A few years back I dug through all the Fredericksburg papers and collated a history of Bowling Green. Man, they whipped teams around for quite a few years, but you guys stuffed them. 1975 was the year Riverheads won the old A-H district...Xcross and Longtimer probably can tell you more about that squad than I can!
Before you start bragging about how much knowledge you have in you little toe or anything else for that matter, I wouldn't just assume that the other person at the other end of the conversation has none. Congratulations...Since you were a part of 6 titles as a player and a coach, then why in the world would you put up bulletin board material for another team? I am not butt hurt at all. I could care less. I just think it is relatively classless to say that you heard that they are going to not play starters because they don't need them to win. Even if you heard it from someone else. Congrats on exercising your 1st Amendment rights. I guess I was exercising mine too. I replied to this because if I am not mistaken, it is my right to comment as well. I think if my memory serves me correctly, you got up in a thread where you didn't have a horse in that race.
Just curious were all of those state titles (6) from Clintwood?
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Where's your horse in this one then? You are what's considered a non rate, so go back to playing your video football games and let the men speak.
I am curious, did all of the titles come from Clintwood? If that is the case, my math and your comments just don't add up.
Clintwood State Titles = 1974, 1975, 1978, and 2011.
You said that you were the class of '78, which means you were not a part of that team.
You said that you were the class of '78, which means you were not a part of that team.
From what I've realized from you, not much you say adds up. Player 74&75 Clintwood, and 4 as an assistant coach. We won state again in 78 in between PM's titles.
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I can't speak for X Cross, but I certainly remember the 70s football scene and will be happy to tell you stories of those old days. (You may end up being sorry that you asked, since I sometimes don't know when to shut up!)
Riverheads had enjoyed limited success in football in the 60s and early 70s. Just a couple of winning seasons here and there but no real continuity. The first four years of the 70s were especially brutal, since someone had the brilliant idea to throw all five Augusta County schools in to the Valley District, which at that time included Waynesboro, the old Lexington High School, and three Rockingham schools...Broadway, Turner Ashby, and Harrisonburg.
Travel was at least convenient because it was a fairly compact district, but the county schools took a pounding week in and week out. For example, RHS' worst football defeat ever was a 75-12 loss (in front of the home fans no less!) to TA. Can you imagine anyone beating Riverheads that badly these days?
However, the turnaround started under the leadership of Tony DeMacio and in 1973, the Gladiators became the first county team to beat one of the "big boys" when they knocked off Broadway 6-0. Looking back at it, those humiliating losses may have benefited the county schools in the long run and you could argue that going through that may have "toughened" them into the programs that they are today.
Fortunately that arrangement only lasted four years and as someone mentioned, the Gladiators joined the Alleghany Highlands District in 1974. That led to our first-ever meeting with Parry McCluer, even though they had been just 30 miles down the road all those years. The legendary Bob Williams was the PM coach at the time.
The stage was set for a late October/early November game down in Buena Vista, somewhat similar to the game we are anticipating this week at Stuarts Draft. I don't know what PM's record was, but RHS was 8-0 going into that game. If memory serves, PM scored the first two TDs, but Riverheads tied it up at 12-12, before the Blues scored the game-winner and prevailed 20-12. Riverheads went on to its best season ever at 9-1, but in those days, only the district champs advanced, so the Gladiators sat at home, even with that record.
In 1975, the Big Red had another sterling season. Not sure what PM did that year, but they may have been down a bit, because Riverheads whipped them solidly in Greenville by a 27-0 count. But the big game for RHS that year, or at least the most memorable, was the famous "Fog Bowl", which I like to bring up at every opportunity. It happened two weeks before the PM game and Wilson was our guest. The Hornets were ahead 7-0 very late in the game when a thick fog enveloped the field. You would think the refs would have stopped the game until it cleared, but they didn't, and RHS scored a tying touchdown and extra point that literally no one on our side could see. Even though it was only the seventh game of the season, the thinking must have been that a tie would be enough to help us win the regular season, which we did with a 9-0-1 record.
That gave the Big Red its first-ever playoff chance, and they hosted Chilhowie on a bitterly-cold night at Staunton's Memorial Stadium. There must have been a VHSL ruling that prevented us from hosting at home. I am pretty sure that one was scoreless at half (although I could be confusing it with the next year) but whatever the case, Chilhowie won 25-7.
The schedule changed in 1976 and Riverheads traveled to Parry McCluer in the first game of the season. The Big Red had a very good quarterback named Greg Stewart, who I believe was only a sophomore that year. Just like the 1974 game, it went down to the wire and I think RHS scored its winning TD with about 5 minutes left to take its first-ever win in Buena Vista 19-12.
The Gladiators went on that year to have our first-ever perfect regular season. With a 10-0 record, we somehow drew the Blues in the first round of the playoffs. So that must mean that Riverheads only stayed in the AHD for two years, because certainly back then you would not have played a district opponent in a playoff game.
Sorry I am shaky on that detail, but the bottom line is that the Blues had the last laugh by taking a 7-6 playoff win to spoil Riverheads' perfect season. Again the game was played in Staunton and again it was bone-chillingly cold. In fact, it had snowed or iced earlier in the week and for the most part, the metal bleachers had not even been cleaned off.
PM scored first (third quarter I think) and I still remember the Riverheads pass receiver literally sliding across the end-zone ice in the fourth quarter to score the Big Red TD. However, to this day, some of us insist that the PAT was good, or else we would have gone to whatever the tie-breaking procedure would have been back then. (Probably a little too late now to throw a challenge flag and see if the refs will check the instant replay!)
That win by the Blues must have fired them up, because they continued to have the Big Red's number, as my records show that PM beat Riverheads five consecutive years (1977-81) despite the fact that RHS had a winning record four of those five years. The teams then parted company for 10 years, no doubt due to Riverheads being shifted up north for most of its competition.
They resumed the rivalry in 1992 and again PM won five of the next six times they played. However, as I am sure I do not have to tell anyone from either school, Casto arrived at Riverheads in the late 90s and although it took him two years to get his feet wet, the Blues only knocked Riverheads off once from 1998-2012, and even that game if I recall had sort of a flukish ending that allowed PM to escape Riverheads with a 14-9 win.
As a result of Casto's dominance, the Big Red has now overcome those PM winning streaks and Riverheads now leads the overall series 17-14. They have not played one another since 2012, but with PM's resurgence in the last couple of years, it seems like only a matter of time before they will meet again in November or December.
Thanks to both schools for all the memories and good luck the rest of the way this year.
I can't speak for X Cross, but I certainly remember the 70s football scene and will be happy to tell you stories of those old days. (You may end up being sorry that you asked, since I sometimes don't know when to shut up!)
Riverheads had enjoyed limited success in football in the 60s and early 70s. Just a couple of winning seasons here and there but no real continuity. The first four years of the 70s were especially brutal, since someone had the brilliant idea to throw all five Augusta County schools in to the Valley District, which at that time included Waynesboro, the old Lexington High School, and three Rockingham schools...Broadway, Turner Ashby, and Harrisonburg.
Travel was at least convenient because it was a fairly compact district, but the county schools took a pounding week in and week out. For example, RHS' worst football defeat ever was a 75-12 loss (in front of the home fans no less!) to TA. Can you imagine anyone beating Riverheads that badly these days?
However, the turnaround started under the leadership of Tony DeMacio and in 1973, the Gladiators became the first county team to beat one of the "big boys" when they knocked off Broadway 6-0. Looking back at it, those humiliating losses may have benefited the county schools in the long run and you could argue that going through that may have "toughened" them into the programs that they are today.
Fortunately that arrangement only lasted four years and as someone mentioned, the Gladiators joined the Alleghany Highlands District in 1974. That led to our first-ever meeting with Parry McCluer, even though they had been just 30 miles down the road all those years. The legendary Bob Williams was the PM coach at the time.
The stage was set for a late October/early November game down in Buena Vista, somewhat similar to the game we are anticipating this week at Stuarts Draft. I don't know what PM's record was, but RHS was 8-0 going into that game. If memory serves, PM scored the first two TDs, but Riverheads tied it up at 12-12, before the Blues scored the game-winner and prevailed 20-12. Riverheads went on to its best season ever at 9-1, but in those days, only the district champs advanced, so the Gladiators sat at home, even with that record.
In 1975, the Big Red had another sterling season. Not sure what PM did that year, but they may have been down a bit, because Riverheads whipped them solidly in Greenville by a 27-0 count. But the big game for RHS that year, or at least the most memorable, was the famous "Fog Bowl", which I like to bring up at every opportunity. It happened two weeks before the PM game and Wilson was our guest. The Hornets were ahead 7-0 very late in the game when a thick fog enveloped the field. You would think the refs would have stopped the game until it cleared, but they didn't, and RHS scored a tying touchdown and extra point that literally no one on our side could see. Even though it was only the seventh game of the season, the thinking must have been that a tie would be enough to help us win the regular season, which we did with a 9-0-1 record.
That gave the Big Red its first-ever playoff chance, and they hosted Chilhowie on a bitterly-cold night at Staunton's Memorial Stadium. There must have been a VHSL ruling that prevented us from hosting at home. I am pretty sure that one was scoreless at half (although I could be confusing it with the next year) but whatever the case, Chilhowie won 25-7.
The schedule changed in 1976 and Riverheads traveled to Parry McCluer in the first game of the season. The Big Red had a very good quarterback named Greg Stewart, who I believe was only a sophomore that year. Just like the 1974 game, it went down to the wire and I think RHS scored its winning TD with about 5 minutes left to take its first-ever win in Buena Vista 19-12.
The Gladiators went on that year to have our first-ever perfect regular season. With a 10-0 record, we somehow drew the Blues in the first round of the playoffs. So that must mean that Riverheads only stayed in the AHD for two years, because certainly back then you would not have played a district opponent in a playoff game.
Sorry I am shaky on that detail, but the bottom line is that the Blues had the last laugh by taking a 7-6 playoff win to spoil Riverheads' perfect season. Again the game was played in Staunton and again it was bone-chillingly cold. In fact, it had snowed or iced earlier in the week and for the most part, the metal bleachers had not even been cleaned off.
PM scored first (third quarter I think) and I still remember the Riverheads pass receiver literally sliding across the end-zone ice in the fourth quarter to score the Big Red TD. However, to this day, some of us insist that the PAT was good, or else we would have gone to whatever the tie-breaking procedure would have been back then. (Probably a little too late now to throw a challenge flag and see if the refs will check the instant replay!)
That win by the Blues must have fired them up, because they continued to have the Big Red's number, as my records show that PM beat Riverheads five consecutive years (1977-81) despite the fact that RHS had a winning record four of those five years. The teams then parted company for 10 years, no doubt due to Riverheads being shifted up north for most of its competition.
They resumed the rivalry in 1992 and again PM won five of the next six times they played. However, as I am sure I do not have to tell anyone from either school, Casto arrived at Riverheads in the late 90s and although it took him two years to get his feet wet, the Blues only knocked Riverheads off once from 1998-2012, and even that game if I recall had sort of a flukish ending that allowed PM to escape Riverheads with a 14-9 win.
As a result of Casto's dominance, the Big Red has now overcome those PM winning streaks and Riverheads now leads the overall series 17-14. They have not played one another since 2012, but with PM's resurgence in the last couple of years, it seems like only a matter of time before they will meet again in November or December.
Thanks to both schools for all the memories and good luck the rest of the way this year.
Longtime,
I'm not sure what age your body is but one things for sure your memories not a day over 21. I can't remember what I had for breakfast.
I'm not sure what age your body is but one things for sure your memories not a day over 21. I can't remember what I had for breakfast.
I think the freak game your talking about was in 04. I been meaning to ask about that. Riverheads was 4-6 that season. What happened that year? Was Casto sick? It really is the only real blimish on the school record since 2000. That's funny when you think about it. Almost a .500 season and calling it a blimish lol.
Casto's first season at Riverheads was 1996. Wilson beat them in the last game of the season, but you could really see how much better Riverheads was, and they really took off after that.
I'll never be sorry for asking about your football knowledge Longtimer!!
The Valley was absolutely loaded back in those days, from top to bottom. Richard Carter, Benji Alexander and Lexington were actually the highest scoring team in the state of Virginia during 1972, according to a Washington Post article from that year.
The Valley was absolutely loaded back in those days, from top to bottom. Richard Carter, Benji Alexander and Lexington were actually the highest scoring team in the state of Virginia during 1972, according to a Washington Post article from that year.
I was thinking he took over as head coach in 98? I'm not sure though. I am sure Longmemory... I mean Longtimer will be along to clarify .
Think how Gap feels knowing they could have had him. Someone just told me that he had been a part of that program until he was passed over out in Swoope. I realize Rob Maxwell was successful in his own rights for a time early to mid 2000's but longevity has to go to Casto.
I'm pretty sure it was 1996. Ron Ball came to Wilson in 93 or 94, and brought Wilson back from historic badness. Wilson made the playoffs in '96 for the first time in almost 20 years, so it's imprinted in my mind. It's also interesting to think how much better the level of play in the area is now.
Assistant for 9 years at a 1A school and 5 at a 2A in Va. Coached in NC for 6 years at Granville Central just north of Durham.
96 his first year thru last year his record 184 to 54 if my calculations is right GO BIG RED
Y'all know more about your program then I do,I stand corrected. Either way the man sure has put on a show over the years. I have no doubt some bigger schools haven't tried to still him away over the years.
'96 sounds about right. '98 was the season where things came together for the Gladiators. The turning point of that season in my mind was the third game of the season when they played PM. Riverheads came into that game 1-1 and were trailing 18-7 at the half. In the second half they turned it on against the Blues and won 35-18. Finished up the season 8-2 and lost in the first round to Strasburg. Then came the 10-0 regular season in '99 and the much discussed first round bizzaro game vs. Strasburg again.
Very good post! I could read football on the old days all day long! Thanks for sharing your
Knowledge of the good Ole days!
Do you remember much about the dominant Chilhowie squads from the early 70s? They put many an A-H district squad out the playoffs during that time! Natty B, PM, Rockbridge, JR and Riverheads to be exact lol.
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