RE Lee 38 Luray 6
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Lee looked really good. QB was really good, but defense was GREAT.
What I saw tonight certainly wasn't the same Luray team I had seen previously. Credit Lee for that.
2 incredibly big plays in the game was early on with Lee leading 3-0 and Luray fumbled deep in their own territory. Lee scored quickly after. Then in one of the more questionable coaching decisions I have seen in my life, Luray with 4th and 8 in their own territory with about 50 seconds left in half decides to go for it. It waa 17-0 at the time. They don't get it and Lee scores with about 10 seconds left on an amazing pass and catch in endzone. Had they punted, probably goes into half 17-0.
Congrats to the Leeman and will now be back at home next Saturday hosting Poquoson for a birth in championship game
What I saw tonight certainly wasn't the same Luray team I had seen previously. Credit Lee for that.
2 incredibly big plays in the game was early on with Lee leading 3-0 and Luray fumbled deep in their own territory. Lee scored quickly after. Then in one of the more questionable coaching decisions I have seen in my life, Luray with 4th and 8 in their own territory with about 50 seconds left in half decides to go for it. It waa 17-0 at the time. They don't get it and Lee scores with about 10 seconds left on an amazing pass and catch in endzone. Had they punted, probably goes into half 17-0.
Congrats to the Leeman and will now be back at home next Saturday hosting Poquoson for a birth in championship game
Lee's defense is now ready for Appo, if it gets that far. Neither Glenvar nor Giles was up to the task. Lee wasn't either earlier in the season, but after what they have managed against Riverheads, Central, and Luray, I think they can keep Appo in check. There's still a lot of football to be played, but I think RE Lee has the best shot of unseating the champion. I will be rooting for Poquoson next week, however.
I believe the size of the student body will help Lee dominate the district for years to come it is easier to reload every year when you are one of the larger schools and have a good coaching staff to add to the equation,this was Luray's year they are the smallest school in the district at class 2 and the talent pool is smaller,they had a good year and should be proud,hope Lee can go on and represent the district well.
This brings up a question I have had about both Lee and Luray. Are they mainly senior-dominated teams that just built up to this one great season or are they really the start of something big?
Luray loses just about every skill kid and a couple linemen
Lee loses a ton of kids but we all know that school is loaded with athletes.
Lee loses a ton, I think this is their year. They did the one thing I didn't expect at the start of the season and that is stay cool and let their athletes shine. The Gap game early on when they kept focused opened my eyes and I said then that this team is going to make a run. I knew they had talent but I just never know how they are going to handle it. Great season and I will be pulling for Lee to bring that Title home. Those kids should be very proud of what they are doing. Lee is a very good team so those of you crowing teams in the West, we will see.
Luray is here to stay for the next couple of years. My guess next years QB who will be a sophomore, is the real deal on offense, just throwing that out there.
Luray is here to stay for the next couple of years. My guess next years QB who will be a sophomore, is the real deal on offense, just throwing that out there.
775 to 480 is a big difference to overcome year after year.When we beat them we played our best game and had to hold on for the victory at home.I know you can't have 15 divisions but 300 students is too many how ever you slice it.
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I'm going to disagree with this. There is always going to be a biggest and smallest. 6 divisions is plenty.
There was no issue when Luray beat them earlier in the season. There wasn't an issue with size when they best everyone but Riverheads.
The difference last night wasn't the school size, it wasn't the size of the rosters, the difference was the athletic ability of each team.
Luray also did themselves no favors last night. Like I said, fumble was huge, and going for it around own 30 with less than a minute to go. Those had nothing to do with size. The multiple personal fouls and unsportsmanlike penalties also were big, and that had nothing to do with school size
Disagree all you want your opinion is yours,the more numbers you have the more ability you can find.
True. But when Lee was 3A, they still had more talent than most teams they played.
So exactly what is your solution?
I'll say it again, and I have been on the Luray bandwagon since SD was out, Luray lost because of the athletic ability on field for Lee. If Luray had 15 more kids on their team, they wouldn't have had that ability
I actually think Class 2 should be 450-900. It would only bump down teams like Southampton, Abingdon, Skyline, Warren, and Spotswood. These are teams that C2 teams routinely play and beat already.
I guess I'm in the minority here,but I always figured the more you had to choose from the more depth you could find and the more talent you could find on a year to year basis,I know that every now and then you get fortunate and find the answer with a small school,but it is much harder to repeat that year to year.I will say this I doubt seriously if a 450 student school wins as many championships as a 900 student school would,if they are all in class 2.
I agree that a bigger school has more opportunities to find players. That is why I said if you had 15 more kids you still wouldn't have had the athleticism as Lee, which is mainly the reason they beat you.
Besides Jenkins (and not him last night), they were more talented every other player.
It's just the facts man. Robert E. Lee has had more talent/athletes than 90% of teams they have played every year, even when they were in 3a. Athleticism isn't what made Luray successful this year, and isn't what a lot of great teams are based on.
What I said before the playoffs what that Riverheads was the best coached team, Luray was the best TEAM, and Lee was BY FAR the most talented and athletic. I think Lee has moved to the best and most talented, but Riverheads is still the best coached.
School numbers is one thing, but what is the numbers on each roster?
If we had 300 more maybe we could find 15 more talented kids than Lee's.There are 484 students at Luray and 775 at Lee,so don't try to tell me we are on equal terms, we won the first game because we got a big lead on their mistakes and they didn't catch us.
You are blinded by your love for your team. Not meant as offensive. But if you don't have the talent with the kids you have now, then the others wouldn't be either.
The only way you can get that type of athleticism is to pick from other places. Sure each team can have some athletes, but the fact is that some of their lineman are more athletic than some skills positions at other schools.
In this area in quite a while, last year's Stuarts Draft and Riverheads teams were the top teams. Very very good. Both of those teams would have easily won the district this year. Neither of those teams were as athletic as Lee this year. Lee was more athletic than Riverheads last year. Athletes doesn't always equate to winning
I felt the Wilson team that went to Salem was the most athletic team this area had seen and would see for a while. Until this Lee team came around. They are the real deal and they’ve got a coach who knows how to win playoff games.
Well for a team that had no talent 11-2 was not bad and a team as talented as Lee should be ashamed of the game they lost in Luray and I still don't agree with your logic that I can find As much talent in 484 kids as I could in 775.
I can agree that schools with more students can have an advantage over schools that have less students. Of course there are exceptions to the rule-- for example, Riverheads is the smallest school in Augusta County, and they have been at the top of the food chain for years, while Fort Defiance (the county school with the largest enrollment) has been at the very bottom for a number of years. While higher enrollment is an advantage, it is not the ONLY advantage, as it still takes dedication, talent, and coaching to win games. Different teams have different advantages, some have better coaching, some have better athletes, some have better community support, some have better culture/traditions, etc. I don't agree that enrollment is the reason Luray lost to Lee
Now, onto the part I bolded in your comment: Luray had a phenomenal year and a very good team, and you are correct Lee was ashamed of that loss to Luray earlier in the year. That week, Luray set the tone early, capitalized on mistakes, and forced Lee into playing their worst game (by far) of the season, at least up to this point. Personally (not speaking for other fans, coaches, or players here), I was hoping for a rematch with the Bulldogs, as I knew Lee was much better than they showed that night and I wanted them to get the chance to show it. Was I expecting a Lee victory last night? Yes. Was I expecting us to see a running clock with second teamers getting reps last night? No, I thought it'd be a 2 score game.
For the past several weeks, I've seen a few people (including you) on here basically saying Lee is soft with stuff like: "hit Lee hard and they will lay down", "run right at them, they are not a smashmouth team", "such and such team will beat Lee easily". I'm wondering if you guys are seeing the same team that I am or if folks are just making that assumption off of previous years teams . I'm not saying this team is the Seattle Legion of Boom Secondary, The old Hogs from the Redskins, or the 85 Bears defense, but I do think the "soft" label on this team has been a little off base. With this comment, I am not saying they are better than or will beat Poquoson either, just that I don't think the soft label is warranted.
I saw them once at Luray and we ran right at them and that worked and that night they were soft and they did fumble when hit,last night they did not,last night they were not soft,the first time we played they were.I still say with our commitment,our community support,work ethics and coaching,it only stands to reason that we would have been a better team with a bigger enrollment,that being said we are what we are in the enrollment scheme because Luray will never be any bigger than it is.
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Nobody once said anything about your team. I picked them to play for the championship. You are getting all upset. Your team had a lot of talent on it, completely different that what I have been saying ATHLETICISM. Lee has athletes all over, including the lineman.
Again athletes doesn't always win. Riverheads doesn't usually have superb athleticism, not did Stuarts Draft last year. But from the games I have seen this year, IMO both RH AND SD would have beat Lee this year.
I dont have the numbers, but it looked like to me that both teams were relatively close in roster size
Roster size was about equal,the thing I'm trying to say is that you can probably get a better 50 players choosing from 775 than from 475,that's all I mean't.
It is possible, but they have to come out. But the point I am making is that IF a Luray, Riverheads, Stuarts Draft, etc were to have schools the size of Lee, which Stuarts Draft is, they still wouldn't have the athleticism as them. It's not in the DNA of those areas. Like I said, both SD and Riverheads last year were quite a bit better football teams than any in the district this year, and showed it on field last year, but even those 2 great teams weren't as athletic as Lee. Better yes, as athletic no
I'm 71 years old and I just learned that if I would have been born in Staunton I would have been a better athlete. For the size of our school we have great turnouts for the sports teams our girls and boys are very competitive even if we don't have the DNA.
Not DNA per say, even though some is DNA. But, if you haven't figured out that all over the country that cities usually have more athletes (raw ability) than country then I can't help explain that any better.
I am not singling out Luray for this. I said the EXACT SAME THING for where I was born, raised, live, and coached.
Again, there are exceptions to every rule. There were some great athletes on Luray. Same as Riverheads, Stuarts Draft, Buffalo Gap, etc. But EVERY YEAR, no matter what their records were, teams like Harrisonburg, Robert E Lee, and Waynesboro had more ATHLETES than anyone.
If you really don't believe me, that's fine. But if you want to try to understand, look at some of the greatest players or athletes of all time and see where the majority came from, city or country
And again I will point out, I picked Luray to go to championship game. At the same time, I said that Riverheads was the best coached, Lee had the most talent/athletes, and Luray was the best TEAM. Being more athletic doesn't mean it equates to WINS or competitive. Apparently you are confusing the 2
Perhaps the majority are from the city because more people live there so theyre more likely to produce more athletes..
Well actually, there would probably be just as much or more country type areas in the country than cities. Yes more people live in cities, but even some cities are more like country.
I played sports and I know that the more you have to choose from the more likely you are to find better athletes.I know if you have 100 kids to look at it is better than having 60,all things being equal that only makes sense.But you guys are telling me all things are not equal.
Apparently Robert E Lee should be able to compete with and potentially defeat highland springs high school since they’re both in the city and numbers are irrelevant.
Actually no, that is not what is being said. What is being said is that LEE has better ATHLETES than any school in this area. That doesn't mean they are the best team. Why on earth if I thought they could beat Highland Springs or any other team would I have picked LURAY to BEAT THEM. At the time I picked LURAY TO BEAT ROBERT E LEE, I still said Lee had more ATHLETES.
You guys seem to think that ATHLETES means they are going to win. I never once said that.
I'll break it down even further since you don't seem to understand. Robert E Lee this year (I didn't see them last year) has more athletes than my school Stuarts Draft, and has more athletes than Riverheads. This year's Robert E Lee would not beat either Stuarts Draft or Riverheads team last year.
Also, what I saw this season, Luray QB Dylan Jenkins was the BEST FOOTBALL PLAYER in the district this season. He was not the MOST ATHLETIC.
In summary, yes having more kids gives you a better chance to succeed. Would Luray be in a better position if they had 5 more Jenkins. Of course they would. Any TEAM with more quality players would be better. That doesn't mean they have to be the most athletic.
For instance, the kid from Union or the kid from Blacksburg are supposed to be amazing athletes. The kid from Union was supposed to be the best athlete on the field last year when they lost by 40+. Blacksburg kid just lost.
2 time player of the year Richlands QB last year. You think he was the best ATHLETE in state?
Or go even further. Are you really trying to tell me Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are super ATHLETES? Cam Newton is easily 10 times the athlete.
It’s all about getting the best atheletes on the field , a good coach does that for you , the numbers are only relevant if both teams have best atheletes on field that are in the school then the larger school will win more times than not. We all know that a lot of good atheletes don’t play and when they don’t play that hurts smaller school more than larger school.
All I know is if Luray had 775 students we would year in and year out have a more competitive football team.No more talk from me, this country boy has got to go split some wood
I agree with that. This is a country boy here too. But I thought Luray was VERY good this year, you should be proud. I know since SD was out, I was pulling for Luray
