Region 1A PowerPoints

[nnkalumni2]

1.Essex (23.66)
2.Sussex (21.88)
3.W&L (19.55)
4.Colonial Beach (19.44)
5.West Point (19.11)
6.Northumberland (18.77)
7.Middlesex (16.00)
8.Northampton (14.66)

 

[Eaglepride89]

What’s the odds of N’land taking the 5 spot granted they win and W&L loses Friday?

 

[1rst&99]

I believe they’ll need the 2 rider points from a Northampton win over Arcadia to jump W&L for the 5 seed.

 

[uvacavs1]

It seems to me that a 7-3 NHS could possibly get the 4th seed and a home game with a win and a W&L loss. Is this a possibility?

Had NHS played most 1A teams or some 2As instead of a D1 Richmond private school this would not even be an issue. Not sure how the points work with a private school like that but it seems to me to not have much upside (when you already play teams like Essex every year). Thoughts?

 

[NNDman]

Trinity Episcopal is treated as if they are a Class 1 public school. Unfortunately for Northumberland this season Trinity isn't as good as they were last year which was actually when Northumberland beat them.

 

[bulldog1150]

Trinity should not count in any way for points. Northumberlands points should be divided by 9 games at the end of the season.

 

[NNDman]

Tell that to the powers that be.

 

[uvacavs1]

Trinity Episcopal is treated as if they are a Class 1 public school. Unfortunately for Northumberland this season Trinity isn't as good as they were last year which was actually when Northumberland beat them.

Thanks NNDman.

I was afraid that they would treat Trinity like a 1A school. That is absurd. I mean sometimes I wonder if the people who make the sports rules know anything about actual sports.

For one, Trinity has a little over 500 students. Two- They would easily roll the overwhelming majority of public school 1As, probably 2As and so on.

Just 2 or 3 years ago, Trinity had 5 football players from one season get scholarships on D1 college football programs.

Trinity should count as a 3A school for points (or a 2A at the very least).

 

[Twobyfour]

What’s the odds of N’land taking the 5 spot granted they win and W&L loses Friday?

i think they will end up at 5 unless CB loses to WnL, if that were to happen i think they go to 4 and WP would be 5. I think there is good chance they play WP either way

 

[Twobyfour]

Tell that to the powers that be.

Exactly. Dont schedule them if you dont like their point values

 

[HighestPoint]

500 students 8-12. So their 9-12 enrollment is under 475. That's 1A. They can only classify schools based on enrollment, not how good they are or be how many D1 players they have. It was a 22 point win for them last year. Just didn't work out well for them this season.

 

[bulldog1150]

The only private school that is supposed to be counted in the ratings points is LCA. If another school is being counted, in this case Trinity, then someone needs to let the vhsl know and they will make the change.

 

[Twobyfour]

The only private school that is supposed to be counted in the ratings points is LCA. If another school is being counted, in this case Trinity, then someone needs to let the vhsl know and they will make the change.

Did something change from last year?

 

[NNDman]

They've been including private schools towards rating points since at least 2015. Look at the master schedule and you will see out-of-state and privates littered throughout because they count towards the ratings.

 

[bulldog1150]

Not in most cases. Appomattox and Goochland both play FUMA and it doesn't count towards their points. Not sure why Trinity is counting.

 

[NNDman]

From the VHSL Handbook: 68-4-6 (2) When the Rating Scale is used to designate teams for championship playoffs, only games between members of the Virginia High School League, other public schools and non-public Virginia schools shall be counted.
I'm pretty certain any games against FUMA do not count as FUMA is strictly a boarding school.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[HighestPoint]

LCA is a member of the VHSL, so they are eligible for post season play. Virginia private schools still count towards ratings if you play them. Same for out of state schools. Just not out of state privates.

 

[Twobyfour]

Well, I know Nmbld got points from playing them last year, so unless something changed it's a moot point

 

[peck_7]

It's a really screwed up system that I would want no hand in. How does a school like Maggie Walker consider itself a public school and 2A?

 

[uvacavs1]

Exactly. Dont schedule them if you dont like their point values

The individual who scheduled them is no longer with Northumberland.

 

[uvacavs1]

Well, I know Nmbld got points from playing them last year, so unless something changed it's a moot point

This is why is see no upside playing a private school like Trinity. That amazing victory over Trinity was counted like playing a 1A school.

(To be fair, a new team was needed because a Tidewater team would no longer play Northumberland as "they were too good", ahh...NHS had had two winnng seasons in 20 years.....).

Besides a few, I'm not sure if many folks, including most Northumberland fans, realized what an upset that was for Northumberland last year. It was one of NHS' biggest victories in the last 20 years+.

I had some good conversations with some of their people. One Trinity person before the game said "Northumberland people aren't used to winning around here are they"? A fan said they expected to win by 30-40 points.

Anyway, NHS pulled it out in thriller. It was at home, Trinity was shocked that NHS was in the game (not this year lol), NHS got some turnovers, and they had no answer for Ball and Palmer and so the exciting upset.

HP, I have no problems with good teams. Riverheads and Essex should be Class 1A based on enrollment. They are public.

I have no problem with playing private schools but you cannot judge private schools where students are from all over and can be given scholarships by the same logic. The point system should reflect that or do not count it as bulldog stated.

 

[HighestPoint]

Some schools really benefit from being able to play private and out of state schools. Some schools in swva or the Eastern shore would have to travel a long way to fill out a 10 game schedule.
There is no way to objectively look at private schools other than enrollment. Yes they draw from a large area but privates still go through ups and downs. Kind of like 2x4 said. If you don't like it, they can play someone else. You might have to travel but there's someone that could fill it.

 

[uvacavs1]

Some schools really benefit from being able to play private and out of state schools. Some schools in swva or the Eastern shore would have to travel a long way to fill out a 10 game schedule.
There is no way to objectively look at private schools other than enrollment. Yes they draw from a large area but privates still go through ups and downs. Kind of like 2x4 said. If you don't like it, they can play someone else. You might have to travel but there's someone that could fill it.

Northern Neck teams and Eastern Shore probably travel more than any other schools in the state of Virginia. Non-district opponents range from a two hour trip for some schools to over 8 hours.

I would like to see Northumberland play King William. In fact, King William should join the NND for all sports as the NND would prepare them for 2A play much more than the Tidewater. Tidewater has many very weak sports teams in Charles City, Carver, K&Q etc.

King William would be better off in the NND and the NND should welcome them into the district.

 

[OHandEIGHTwhatNOW?]

Northern Neck teams and Eastern Shore probably travel more than any other schools in the state of Virginia. Non-district opponents range from a two hour trip for some schools to over 8 hours.

I would like to see Northumberland play King William. In fact, King William should join the NND for all sports as the NND would prepare them for 2A play much more than the Tidewater. Tidewater has many very weak sports teams in Charles City, Carver, K&Q etc.

King William would be better off in the NND and the NND should welcome them into the district.

King William doesn't want that. They enjoy beating up on schools with half their enrollment. Some might remember Colonial Beach was in the Tidewater for 2 seasons (If I remember correctly they won the Tidewater in football and basketabll both years) Tidewater member schools led by King William voted to remove lil ole Colonial Beach based on "travel time". The school didn't move from the time they joined the Tidewater did they?

 

[TrojanFan22560]

King William doesn't want that. They enjoy beating up on schools with half their enrollment. Some might remember Colonial Beach was in the Tidewater for 2 seasons (If I remember correctly they won the Tidewater in football and basketabll both years) Tidewater member schools led by King William voted to remove lil ole Colonial Beach based on "travel time". The school didn't move from the time they joined the Tidewater did they?

King William was in the Northern Neck at one time. In my opinion Districts should only be made up of schools in the same division. I realize this might make things tough as far as travel, but it only makes sense.

 

[WestmorelandFC]

Yes King William was in the NND/ 2000 they won a state Championship in football first year in the district also the first year Joe Taylor was under center for Wnl

 

[NND Sports Fan]

I'm pretty certain that was Taylor 2nd season as the W&L QB

 

[Eaglepride89]

Not sure if Taylor started as a freshman in 2000, but I know he won States as a sophomore in 2001

 

[NND Sports Fan]

I stand corrected! I know KW and W&L went back to back and keep thinking it was 99 and 00. But it was 00 and 01

 

[uvacavs1]

King William was in the Northern Neck at one time. In my opinion Districts should only be made up of schools in the same division. I realize this might make things tough as far as travel, but it only makes sense.

I agree that it would be best if King William was in a 2A district but it would not be feasible in geographic sense.

I also agree with the above poster that a small group of KW people prefer to stay in the Tidewater. Those few folks should be embarrassed to beat teams like 70-0 all the time.

I bet that the majority of KW people (like those from the Roger Brookes era) would definitely want the pride and competition that come from playing teams a bit more their equal - which would occur if the Cavs returned to the old NND for all sports.

 

[uvacavs1]

Some schools really benefit from being able to play private and out of state schools. Some schools in swva or the Eastern shore would have to travel a long way to fill out a 10 game schedule.
There is no way to objectively look at private schools other than enrollment. Yes they draw from a large area but privates still go through ups and downs. Kind of like 2x4 said. If you don't like it, they can play someone else. You might have to travel but there's someone that could fill it.

"There is no way to objectively look at private schools other than enrollment."

I will have to respectfully disagree with you on that assessment.

Virginia private schools are placed in three divisions based on strength (as far as I understand it, I never paid attention to them until Trinity last year).

The best private schools are VISAA Division I (which Trinity belongs). Then you have DII and the not as strong schools are Divsion III.

This is how you should point them if they play a public school. Simple, easy, done.

Private D I = Public 3A
Private D II = Public 2A
Private D III = Public 1A

That took about three minutes to figure out, maybe the powers that be will only take three years to think of it but its a start.

 

[Gunz41]

"There is no way to objectively look at private schools other than enrollment."

I will have to respectfully disagree with you on that assessment.

Virginia private schools are placed in three divisions based on strength (as far as I understand it, I never paid attention to them until Trinity last year).

The best private schools are VISAA Division I (which Trinity belongs). Then you have DII and the not as strong schools are Divsion III.

This is how you should point them if they play a public school. Simple, easy, done.

Private D I = Public 3A
Private D II = Public 2A
Private D III = Public 1A

That took about three minutes to figure out, maybe the powers that be will only take three years to think of it but its a start.

Actually, with the example of LCA being used, since they were a private and moved to public (Even though from what I understand not being in that area) is that when they joined vhsl, they were given 2 choices, to be able to have a larger section of the area to get kids from, or just 2 areas. With the larger area, they would have been given a 2x multiplier of kids, while the smaller selection of kids they received a 1.5 multiplier. So in essence, with their enrollment numbers, they are a 3a school, but with the multiplier they are 4a.

Cavs, I dont know where any of these schools are, but I would think that the way the schools are classified isn't their athletic prowess. You can't make that assumption before a season, or a cycle. I would think it has something to do with enrollment.

A few years ago, me and a coaching buddy of mine went to a camp at a northern va private school. We ended up watching and helping them. They had some kind of unique offense that my buddy wanted to see. They were supposed to be one of the best in state/Maybe nationwide. They weren't 1, they were 3 I believe and they had a big school and great facility

 

[WestmorelandFC]

Yes Joe started in 2000 he was injured in the middle of the season and Derrick Nicholes and Jeff Wright played QB I played middle LB for the team was my Sr year. King William left the district after James Monroe entered the district 2002 or 2003

 

[NND Sports Fan]

regarding KW, aren't they just dominant in the Tidewater District in football? Aren't most of the other schools (primarily Mathews, Middlesex and West Point) competitive with them in other sports both male and female?

 

[NND Sports Fan]

UVA Cavs: I feel strongly that you are wrong about how the VISAA classifies its member schools. It's done based on high school level enrollment and if i'm proven wrong then I will admit it. Several VISAA schools do not offer football. Some are grades 9-12 some 8-12 some 7-12 and several pre-K-12.

 

[uvacavs1]

UVA Cavs: I feel strongly that you are wrong about how the VISAA classifies its member schools. It's done based on high school level enrollment and if i'm proven wrong then I will admit it. Several VISAA schools do not offer football. Some are grades 9-12 some 8-12 some 7-12 and several pre-K-12.

I am by no means very knowledgeable about the private school system. I never even considered them until I saw Trinity on Northumberland's schedule.

You may indeed be correct. However, for some reason when I looked into Trinity last year it seemed that private schools can move up and down divisions based on some kind of power rating or success or strength. D I schools are all the best ones and D III are the weakest ones. Maybe they can choose where they want to play.

Either way, the comparison between the point systems for private and public may still apply...

Hopefully, someone with more understanding will explain the private school Division system more clearly.