Rivershead Offensive Line

[trutiger16]

I have been watching Riverheads offensive alignment, the key to their dominance is the offensive line this has been the motor and the format for their program. Posters are saying the backs are not that good this year heck they don't need to be with those buffet busters up front. Also I notice the side that pulls is always 1 yard behind the ball getting that extra jump. To have any shot at beating them you must be able to neutralize the pulling lineman . Hats off to the coaching staff !

 

[Twobyfour]

The key to stop wing teams is penetration and play assignement football. You cant play normal read and react. Assign a defender to a back and attack him in the backfield. Make them throw

 

[Keith_Stone33]

I have been watching Riverheads offensive alignment, the key to their dominance is the offensive line this has been the motor and the format for their program. Posters are saying the backs are not that good this year heck they don't need to be with those buffet busters up front. Also I notice the side that pulls is always 1 yard behind the ball getting that extra jump. To have any shot at beating them you must be able to neutralize the pulling lineman . Hats off to the coaching staff !

For someone to say those backs are no good is idiotic to me. Granted I've only seen them in a scrimmage and in 1 regular season game this year, but those backs hit the hole, follow their blockers, look for a seam, then either score or fall forward when they get tackled.

Is Riverheads as good this year as they were last year? No, not in my opinion, as I think last years team would do to them what they did to just about everybody they faced last year (excluding Draft), but I mean that as a testament to last year's team rather than a slight to this years. This years team is still a very, very good group and they can hang with and beat anyone in 1A and are the favorites to win the title again at this point in the year.

 

[Baseball215]

Keith I agree with you actually I think backs are better this year than last as a whole and a lot more speed. Schaffer was just a beast

 

[longtimerhsfan]

Schaefer was the go-to guy last year, scoring as many as 5 touchdowns in a single game. The difference this year is in depth and the fact that they can get rested between plays. According to some stats I have seen, we have either four or five running backs that already are between 300 and 400 yards on the season. If we should go very deep into the post-season, we could possibly end up with three or more thousand yard rushers.

 

[TIGER...NATION]

I have been watching Riverheads offensive alignment, the key to their dominance is the offensive line this has been the motor and the format for their program. Posters are saying the backs are not that good this year heck they don't need to be with those buffet busters up front. Also I notice the side that pulls is always 1 yard behind the ball getting that extra jump. To have any shot at beating them you must be able to neutralize the pulling lineman . Hats off to the coaching staff !

The real question...how is that legal? You supposed to have 7 players on the line of scrimmage. If the side that is pulling..guard, tackle, tight end?...1 yard or so deep in the backfield..where is the 7 man line of scrimmage???

 

[trutiger16]

The real question...how is that legal? You supposed to have 7 players on the line of scrimmage. If the side that is pulling..guard, tackle, tight end?...1 yard or so deep in the backfield..where is the 7 man line of scrimmage???

It's on tape that's a fact !

 

[HRCMSTHBOOM]

The real question...how is that legal? You supposed to have 7 players on the line of scrimmage. If the side that is pulling..guard, tackle, tight end?...1 yard or so deep in the backfield..where is the 7 man line of scrimmage???

The rule is that " as long as the linemen line up on the center(if you were to draw a straight line beginning from the centers rear most point in either direction)can be behind the line of scrimmage and still be considered "on the line" as long as they are no deeper than the centers rear most point"..

Both sides of the line DO NOT have to be even with the center at the same time... I know, it sounds weird but we encountered the same issue with Buffalo Gap on several of their Offensive schemes.. Their Offensive line lines up to where their head(helmets) are even with the centers rear most point(approx 1- to 1-1/2 yards behind the ball),thus essentially putting them "on the line of scrimmage"..

 

[obguthr]

The key to stop wing teams is penetration and play assignement football. You cant play normal read and react. Assign a defender to a back and attack him in the backfield. Make them throw

Getting off the ball quickly on the DL is vital. I know Riverheads practices this to death. You may be bigger and faster, but you won't get out of your stance quicker than Riverheads OL. You're right, penetration is key. You don't necessarily have to get deep, but plugging the holes is the important thing. It's not easy to do when you have 2-3 blockers coming your way. Linebackers have to read where the extra blockers are coming.

 

[Twobyfour]

Getting off the ball quickly on the DL is vital. I know Riverheads practices this to death. You may be bigger and faster, but you won't get out of your stance quicker than Riverheads OL. You're right, penetration is key. You don't necessarily have to get deep, but plugging the holes is the important thing. It's not easy to do when you have 2-3 blockers coming your way. Linebackers have to read where the extra blockers are coming.

I would not do much read. That plays into their hand. Assign defender to tackle certain back every play and adjust for motion, similar to how play the option. Assignment football. Don't play the ball, play the person. Only few backs can get ball and only so many place they can run. Penetrate and catch in backfield. I know easier said than done. But you absolutely cant sit back and read. Not at this level.

 

[trutiger16]

I would probably run a 4- 4 Stack with a rover , you do need 2 middle linebackers, the front 4 must stay low and attack the lineman so the backers can flow, the rover is important because Riversheads Qb will hit you in the mouth as a lead blocker also, this team is as physical as you will see, it will take an physical defense to accomplish this along with tons of prayer to last 4 quarters against a mauling front.

 

[TIGER...NATION]

The rule is that " as long as the linemen line up on the center(if you were to draw a straight line beginning from the centers rear most point in either direction)can be behind the line of scrimmage and still be considered "on the line" as long as they are no deeper than the centers rear most point"..

Both sides of the line DO NOT have to be even with the center at the same time... I know, it sounds weird but we encountered the same issue with Buffalo Gap on several of their Offensive schemes.. Their Offensive line lines up to where their head(helmets) are even with the centers rear most point(approx 1- to 1-1/2 yards behind the ball),thus essentially putting them "on the line of scrimmage"..

Thanks! This is great info! I wonder if coaches know this??? Great use of the rules! I love the schemes in high school football

 

[HRCMSTHBOOM]

Thanks! This is great info! I wonder if coaches know this??? Great use of the rules! I love the schemes in high school football

Not likely...LOL... Most do not, nor did I... I have a co-worker that is a "White Hat" and it was explained to me from his understanding and interpretation of the rules as presented to them from rule book(the VHSL refs association)..

It was questioned this season and it is acceptable HOWEVER, Gap does run a play where the backfield (running backs) line up behind the center (with one back slightly offset to one side and approx. 2 yards deep), the center then snaps the ball between his legs into the buttocks and holds the ball there as he moves forward( sometimes as much as 3 yards) before the up-back closest to the center determines where "the hole" is and then takes the ball from the center and progresses forward.. They ran it against Fort Defiance(A LOT)a few games ago and was VERY successful... They have been doing it for years, I just don't think anyone had picked up on it...

THIS IS AN ILLEGAL(FALSE)SNAP!!!
The rule states that the center(a center snap)must be a "direct hand to hand transfer" to another player of the same team while that player is positioned under the center(conventional)OR a "direct snap" from the center to another player of the same team where there is an obvious transfer of possession from the center to another player.. IT WORKS, VERY WELL but IT IS ILLEGAL!!!

 

[TIGER...NATION]

Not likely...LOL... Most do not, nor did I... I have a co-worker that is a "White Hat" and it was explained to me from his understanding and interpretation of the rules as presented to them from rule book(the VHSL refs association)..

It was questioned this season and it is acceptable HOWEVER, Gap does run a play where the backfield (running backs) line up behind the center (with one back slightly offset to one side and approx. 2 yards deep), the center then snaps the ball between his legs into the buttocks and holds the ball there as he moves forward( sometimes as much as 3 yards) before the up-back closest to the center determines where "the hole" is and then takes the ball from the center and progresses forward.. They ran it against Fort Defiance(A LOT)a few games ago and was VERY successful... They have been doing it for years, I just don't think anyone had picked up on it...

THIS IS AN ILLEGAL(FALSE)SNAP!!!
The rule states that the center(a center snap)must be a "direct hand to hand transfer" to another player of the same team while that player is positioned under the center(conventional)OR a "direct snap" from the center to another player of the same team where there is an obvious transfer of possession from the center to another player.. IT WORKS, VERY WELL but IT IS ILLEGAL!!!

Thanks alot!

 

[RedPrideNation_RollPride]

Hate to say it but knowing it and stopping it are two entirely different things. I would argue one of the most versed coach in what RH runs is at Gap now as. D coordinator. He was a very good head coach at Draft with some success against the Red team.

The Gretna team that won the 2A chip and the Giles team that won it are the two best examples I have witnessed of complete control of our offense. In warm ups the day we played Giles, I seen their second team O running our offense against their first team D and they were remarkablely good at simulating it. Great deal of respect to both of those teams. Oh and I forgot the manhandling done to the Red team just two short years ago by Galax.

Lots of people can scheme to stop it but the plan still has to be executed every down. Casto doesn't change what he does. In any interview when asked he will normally state when speaking about another team, " if they stop what we do they will win, if not it's gonna be a long day".

 

[Gunz41]

Both sides of the line in a wing t are back as deep as possible to pull. It's hard for me to believe that only one side of the line is back, as I have seen them a lot and also coached it. Sure they might not be exact on every play, but if they really only had 1 side back, any team could pick up on that.

Also, while I respect everyone's opinion, I dont agree with saying 4-4 and 2 middle backers is the best thing to run against it.

There is 1 thing that is KEY to stopping a team with pulling lineman, and it's not the number of LB or anything else