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Whether or not you think the 3a/4a State Championship games should be moved away from LU, we can put one question to rest. Is W&M a suitable host? Please read the article below and you tell me if the facilities are adequate.

By JOHN O’CONNOR Richmond Times-Dispatch

WILLIAMSBURG — Look across the field from the new upper deck at William and Mary’s Zable Stadium and there is the path Tribe freshmen used to walk — outside, in uniform, between seating areas — to get from the main football locker room to their dressing quarters.

This was no initiation rite. There wasn’t room for first-year players to suit up with their teammates. The freshmen annex doubled as a football meeting room.

The path is near the tiny ticket booth where coaches used to sit in folding chairs and hold postgame media meetings with reporters who stood in a tight circle around them. That booth is below the press box where visiting radio broadcasters needed to rise and lean to see the scoreboard.

William and Mary started making significant football complex upgrades with the 2005 addition of lights and the 2006 removal of worn grass, replaced by FieldTurf. The 2008 opening of the $11 million Laycock Football Center, a support building named after Jimmye Laycock, the Tribe’s coach since 1980, provided players and coaches with a modern headquarters next to a stadium that opened eight decades ago and was still awaiting modernization.

Starting this season, a $27 million renovation of Zable Stadium completes the makeover of the Tribe’s football operation. W&M has gone from having some of the least impressive football facilities in the CAA about a decade ago to having some of the most impressive.

Zable’s renovations include the addition of an upper deck, 11 suites, a common area for various activities on the suite level and an expansive press box. Also, safety and accessibility improvements were made, and a new sound system was installed along with a new west-side entrance, new concessions stands, a new retail location and new rest rooms. Zable will soon get a fresh artificial surface.

Before W&M extends invitations to prospects for official recruiting visits, they’re making trips to Williamsburg on their own because of the enhancements’ attraction, according to Laycock.

“They’re seeing things online and saying, ‘That’s a really nice facility, a nice commitment, so I want to go there and check it out,’” he said. “What’s neat is not just showing them a bunch of drawings and plans, but actually brick and mortar.”

Although an upper deck was added, a seating reconfiguration that includes wider aisles means capacity won’t greatly change. Zable Stadium last season could hold 11,686 and will accommodate 12,400 starting this year.

One of the 11 suites is reserved for W&M’s administration. The other 10 have been — or will be, in one case — leased by Tribe supporters, according to Bobby Dwyer, W&M’s senior associate athletics director.

The difference in the stadium “will be the fan experience,” said Dwyer. For players, renovated Zable will offer “more of a big-time atmosphere,” said Laycock.

Season-ticket sales are ahead of where they were at this time last year, when the Tribe sold 2,900 season tickets, according to Ryan Riddle, W&M’s ticket manager.

Private gifts, $38 million worth, are financing the Laycock Center and Zable’s improvements.

“It makes me feel very humble and very proud that people think that much of our football program,” said Laycock, a 1970 W&M graduate who played defensive back and quarterback. “I don’t think people would be parting with that kind of money unless they felt like it was going to a good cause.”

Cary Field, which opened in 1935 after construction that cost $138,395, became Cary Field at Zable Stadium in 1990. The stadium was named for Walter Zable (Class of 1937), a former W&M star athlete, and his wife Betty (Class of 1940). They provided a $10 million gift.



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Whether or not you think the 3a/4a State Championship games should be moved away from LU, we can put one question to rest. Is W&M a suitable host? Please read the article below and you tell me if the facilities are adequate.

By JOHN O’CONNOR Richmond Times-Dispatch

WILLIAMSBURG — Look across the field from the new upper deck at William and Mary’s Zable Stadium and there is the path Tribe freshmen used to walk — outside, in uniform, between seating areas — to get from the main football locker room to their dressing quarters.

This was no initiation rite. There wasn’t room for first-year players to suit up with their teammates. The freshmen annex doubled as a football meeting room.

The path is near the tiny ticket booth where coaches used to sit in folding chairs and hold postgame media meetings with reporters who stood in a tight circle around them. That booth is below the press box where visiting radio broadcasters needed to rise and lean to see the scoreboard.

William and Mary started making significant football complex upgrades with the 2005 addition of lights and the 2006 removal of worn grass, replaced by FieldTurf. The 2008 opening of the $11 million Laycock Football Center, a support building named after Jimmye Laycock, the Tribe’s coach since 1980, provided players and coaches with a modern headquarters next to a stadium that opened eight decades ago and was still awaiting modernization.

Starting this season, a $27 million renovation of Zable Stadium completes the makeover of the Tribe’s football operation. W&M has gone from having some of the least impressive football facilities in the CAA about a decade ago to having some of the most impressive.

Zable’s renovations include the addition of an upper deck, 11 suites, a common area for various activities on the suite level and an expansive press box. Also, safety and accessibility improvements were made, and a new sound system was installed along with a new west-side entrance, new concessions stands, a new retail location and new rest rooms. Zable will soon get a fresh artificial surface.

Before W&M extends invitations to prospects for official recruiting visits, they’re making trips to Williamsburg on their own because of the enhancements’ attraction, according to Laycock.

“They’re seeing things online and saying, ‘That’s a really nice facility, a nice commitment, so I want to go there and check it out,’” he said. “What’s neat is not just showing them a bunch of drawings and plans, but actually brick and mortar.”

Although an upper deck was added, a seating reconfiguration that includes wider aisles means capacity won’t greatly change. Zable Stadium last season could hold 11,686 and will accommodate 12,400 starting this year.

One of the 11 suites is reserved for W&M’s administration. The other 10 have been — or will be, in one case — leased by Tribe supporters, according to Bobby Dwyer, W&M’s senior associate athletics director.

The difference in the stadium “will be the fan experience,” said Dwyer. For players, renovated Zable will offer “more of a big-time atmosphere,” said Laycock.

Season-ticket sales are ahead of where they were at this time last year, when the Tribe sold 2,900 season tickets, according to Ryan Riddle, W&M’s ticket manager.

Private gifts, $38 million worth, are financing the Laycock Center and Zable’s improvements.

“It makes me feel very humble and very proud that people think that much of our football program,” said Laycock, a 1970 W&M graduate who played defensive back and quarterback. “I don’t think people would be parting with that kind of money unless they felt like it was going to a good cause.”

Cary Field, which opened in 1935 after construction that cost $138,395, became Cary Field at Zable Stadium in 1990. The stadium was named for Walter Zable (Class of 1937), a former W&M star athlete, and his wife Betty (Class of 1940). They provided a $10 million gift.



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Well, after four paragraphs of misdirection and talking about what used to be, the author finally gets to his primary point:

"W&M has gone from having some of the least impressive football facilities in the CAA about a decade ago to having some of the most impressive."

So yeah - if these are some of the best facilities in 1-AA (the CAA is the best conference in1-AA), I'd say they're more than suitable for the VHSL.

Interestingly enough, Cary Field - now Zable Stadium - of 1980 (my first year in the Burg) was a better facility than Williams Stadium of 2004. That was the first year I went to LU for a game, and frankly, I thought the stadium at that time was a dump.

My opinion is Zable Stadium will be a fine venue for the 3A and 4A state championship games, if that change comes to pass. Of the few folks in this forum screaming the loudest against it, I wonder how many have actually been to a game there - or even stopped in Williamsburg for longer than a cup of coffee.

BTW - I bailed on the Salem Football Fans Facebook group yesterday because of all the overwrought gnashing of teeth and rending of garments over this very issue. That, and the fact that it seems to me to have basically been the "crisis of the week" club. No offense at all intended toward the site moderator! ;-)

Aside from the other issue discussed at length elsewhere, it boils down to this: if your team is lucky enough to make the state championship, you can either bitch, whine and moan about the big "hardship" of having to drive four hours, or you can shut up, put your school pride where your mouth is, and go support your team wherever the heck the game is being played. Whether that's LU, W&M, or somewhere on the eastern shore.
 
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I don't know why this discussion continues. The VHSL will not renew a contract with LU. Payback for how they shoved LCA down their throats. What the Championship venues are in the future will be decided but you'll never see another VHSL event at LU again. Time for everyone to move on.
 
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Well, after four paragraphs of misdirection and talking about what used to be, the author finally gets to his primary point:

"W&M has gone from having some of the least impressive football facilities in the CAA about a decade ago to having some of the most impressive."

So yeah - if these are some of the best facilities in 1-AA (the CAA is the best conference in1-AA), I'd say they're more than suitable for the VHSL.

Interestingly enough, Cary Field - now Zable Stadium - of 1980 (my first year in the Burg) was a better facility than Williams Stadium of 2004. That was the first year I went to LU for a game, and frankly, I thought the stadium at that time was a dump.

My opinion is Zable Stadium will be a fine venue for the 3A and 4A state championship games, if that change comes to pass. Of the few folks in this forum screaming the loudest against it, I wonder how many have actually been to a game there - or even stopped in Williamsburg for longer than a cup of coffee.

BTW - I bailed on the Salem Football Fans Facebook group yesterday because of all the overwrought gnashing of teeth and rending of garments over this very issue. That, and the fact that it seems to me to have basically been the "crisis of the week" club. No offense at all intended toward the site moderator! ;-)

Aside from the other issue discussed at length elsewhere, it boils down to this: if your team is lucky enough to make the state championship, you can either bitch, whine and moan about the big "hardship" of having to drive four hours, or you can shut up, put your school pride where your mouth is, and go support your team wherever the heck the game is being played. Whether that's LU, W&M, or somewhere on the eastern shore.
No offense taken Spartan, my position on LU being the host is solely based on how difficult it would be for me personally to make a day trip to Williamsburg, about 3&1/2 hours away as opposed to Lynchburg being an hour away and my parents living 5 minutes from the stadium. If I were able bodied it wouldn't be an issue to me. To me it's only fair that the venue is changed every few years to a site in NOVA, Tidewater, Central (Charlottesville or Lynchburg), West (JMU perhaps) to lessen the driving for different areas. I love Williamsburg and if I were able I'd make it a long weekend. I have good friends in Williamsburg so that would be my 2nd favorite host facility behind LU due solely to proximity. (Well actually Salem would be my #1 site) but I know that won't be considered because it's not quite big enough and it wouldn't be fair if Salem got to play on its own homefield. (Same argument against LU in the case of LCA) in the unlikely possibility that they made the big game.
 
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No offense taken Spartan, my position on LU being the host is solely based on the difficulty it would be to me personally to make a day trip to Williamsburg, about 3&1/2 hours away as opposed to Lynchburg being an hour away and my parents living 5 minutes from the stadium. If I were able bodied it wouldn't be an issue to me. To me it's only fair that the venue is changed every few years to a site in NOVA, Tidewater, Central (Charlottesville or Lynchburg), West (JMU perhaps) to lessen the driving for different areas. I love Williamsburg and if I were able I'd make it a long weekend. I have good friends in Williamsburg so that would be my 2nd favorite host facility behind LU due solely to proximity. (Well actually Salem would be my #1 site) but I know that won't be considered because it's not quite big enough and it wouldn't be fair if Salem got to play on its own homefield. (Same argument against LU in the case of LCA) in the unlikely possibility that they made the big game.

I did have you in mind when I wrote what I did, in an "inverse" sort of way. Although I was talking about, and kind of to, the vast majority of fans for whom driving a few more hours should be no more than a minor inconvenience, I'm cognizant of your travel challenges, especially with a longer trip. That's why I hope you know I wasn't including you under the "bitching and moaning" umbrella!

I'm pretty certain that if someone put an appeal on your behalf on the Salem Football Fans Facebook page, you would have travel accommodations lined up within 48 hours. If - IF - it comes to pass that Salem is playing in a title game in Williamsburg. I think all of the Salem fans on that page who were just automatically assuming Salem would be there irked me as much as anything.
 
I did have you in mind when I wrote what I did, in an "inverse" sort of way. Although I was talking about, and kind of to, the vast majority of fans for whom driving a few more hours should be no more than a minor inconvenience, I'm cognizant of your travel challenges, especially with a longer trip. That's why I hope you know I wasn't including you under the "bitching and moaning" umbrella!

I'm pretty certain that if someone put an appeal on your behalf on the Salem Football Fans Facebook page, you would have travel accommodations lined up within 48 hours. If - IF - it comes to pass that Salem is playing in a title game in Williamsburg. I think all of the Salem fans on that page who were just automatically assuming Salem would be there irked me as much as anything.
Yeah exactly I was thinking the same thing, cart before the horse anyone? Obviously, I'm hoping Salem makes a 3rd straight trip to the finals and wins again, but we are 3 months from even practice. (I just thought of the famous Allen Iverson rant about practice as I typed the word) Practice? We talking about practice? Not a game, but practice?
 
I don't know why this discussion continues. The VHSL will not renew a contract with LU. Payback for how they shoved LCA down their throats. What the Championship venues are in the future will be decided but you'll never see another VHSL event at LU again. Time for everyone to move on.
I wouldn't say never Shauntclair
 
I wouldn't say never Shauntclair
You're right Wikki. 3 years from now, when the contract is to be renewed again, LU may throw enough money at it that the VHSL can't refuse. Everyone has a price.

And everyone needs to remember, this is done by committee made of of Regional reps, AD's and Principals. The VHSL doesn't simply dictate. These members do. So what it says is, Virginia hates LU. It is what it is.

But there's a cool part here. LU will definitely be the high bidder on this current contract. If they don't get it, they will sue and they have the legal resources to back it up. The VHSL may pull the conceal carry card but there's another fight on the horizon.
 
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No offense taken Spartan, my position on LU being the host is solely based on how difficult it would be for me personally to make a day trip to Williamsburg, about 3&1/2 hours away as opposed to Lynchburg being an hour away and my parents living 5 minutes from the stadium. If I were able bodied it wouldn't be an issue to me. To me it's only fair that the venue is changed every few years to a site in NOVA, Tidewater, Central (Charlottesville or Lynchburg), West (JMU perhaps) to lessen the driving for different areas. I love Williamsburg and if I were able I'd make it a long weekend. I have good friends in Williamsburg so that would be my 2nd favorite host facility behind LU due solely to proximity. (Well actually Salem would be my #1 site) but I know that won't be considered because it's not quite big enough and it wouldn't be fair if Salem got to play on its own homefield. (Same argument against LU in the case of LCA) in the unlikely possibility that they made the big game.
As long as we're around and you are, you don't need to worry about travelling. There are those who have your back.
 
Only way i can see them back would be if LCA built its own football stadium. As long as LCA is in vhsl an there home field is liberty. Can't see them getting football state championship game.
Good point and that was my statement last year that it wouldn't be fair for LCA be allowed to play on their home field in a state game. I'm actually ok with the change even though it is convenient for me. I don't think LCA should always have the advantage. I do believe this is the oayback to a degree for the VHSL being forced to accept them. I still think they do not belong in VHSL and no one will ever change my mind. If Amherst plays in a state game in the near future, the fans will be there no matter what
 
Hey Wikki, Happy Mother's Day. I don't know if you have any two legged children, but I know you have some four legged kids!
No kids but definitely a four legged dog. Lost one of them in April and it was very sad. Already looking to get another one soon. Thanks Dinwiddie
 
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Very sorry to hear that. I know how much you love your dogs. Take solace in knowing that no dog ever had a happier life that the one you provided.
 
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That was a line from a movie called "The Patriot". However, when I was in India and Thailand, dog is indeed a fine and common meal. Cat's have always been known to be a common meat in Chinese food, especially in China. Which is why they got so many violations for years when I lived in NY. The people couldn't understand why this was a problem.
 
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