Time out question

[Hampton Roads 6]

If a loose ball is in the air, can coach call a TO, or does team have to have possession ?

 

[gymrat10]

That was going to be my quiz for the week. Someone asked about it I think Monday, following some weekend games where they saw a TO called while ball was in flight on a long pass. Not only does there have to be team control, which occurs when the ball is being passed between teammates, but there more importantly has to be player control. A key part to remember about this play or rule: It's another case of what you see when you hear the whistle might not be what happened a few seconds earlier. When a team is in control, say in their backcourt, and a player seems to be trapped, a coach may jump up to call a TO. Now by rule, only the players on the court or the Head Coach of the team with the ball may legally call a TO. An official in the backcourt with these players is probably intently reffn the play and may have his back to the bench, when he hears what he thinks is HC calling for the TO. He must be sure it is the HC, not an assistant, bench player or even a fan immediately behind the bench. In the split second it takes to make this recognition, the ball may be stolen, a held ball may occur, or player may get out of trap and pass ball upcourt. But the official should judge what was happening at the moment he heard the time out request. This is why we sometimes see a held ball call by an official right on top of the play, but another official with a wider view has seen the Head Coach signally for a TO when ONLY his player had possession, prior to the opponent tying him up. So bottomline, a player must be in control of the ball in order for his team to be legally granted a time out. Rule: 5-8-3 a

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

This is one rule that needs to be tweaked. A player should in in complete possession of ball before a TO can be granted, and he must have both feet on the floor , not rolling around or fighting for loose ball. Currently this rule is probably enforced incorrectly more than any rule.

Reminds me of football where the play clock is at 0, and QB or coach signals timeout and it is granted.

Don't penalize defense by awarding bogus TOs.

 

[bowlingref]

I would like to see the rule changed to where it was a long long time ago when I played. The only person that can call a time out is a player on the floor. No more coaches yelling at the ref. for a time out. If the coach cannot get the attention of a player ont he floor to call time, then no time out is granted.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Great idea, time outs sometimes make a farce of the game. I like it when a team burns them up early in game and have no more left.

 

[gymrat10]

Personally, I don't have a problem with the rule, how it's written or enforced. Rule says player must have control of ball for his team to get a time out. Elsewhere in rulebook is definition of what player control is, including having it while one is on the floor. I think if you go back to when only the player could call a TO, you are still going to have coach yelling (to his player) and then arguing his player called it at such and such time, etc. You might as well be able to give it to him when he wants (and needs) it.
Speaking of football, I like the rule where, when one team is out of time outs...they're just out. No 15 yd penalty for calling a time out in football when you don't have any. I guess you can yell for one all you want, but ref's not gonna call it because he knows you don't have any more. Not that hard, and wouldn't be for basketball. Officials have to be aware of a lot of situations and info, and I don't think knowing one team has now called their last time out is too taxing on the brain. If White team doesn't have any, and a player that, in the heat of battle, forgot they were out and tried to call one...just don't recognize it...why should it be a Technical Foul? Seems like a harsh penalty, especially if a kid just forgets...ala Chris Webber. Now I know some coaches could use the T as their only means to extend a game, called "buying" an extra time out, so that is why it won't get changed, probably.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

It should be a technical. A defensive player(s) make a good play and gets ball handler in trouble. Ball handler ( offensive team) should not be able to get out of trouble by calling TO, whether he has any or not.

Most loose ball TOs are called when NO TEAM has control of ball. This is the most abused rule in basketball by the refs.

 

[bowlingref]

The "T" for the timeout on Chris Webber and Michigan would have never happened the travel in the back court would have been called. I like it when a coach is screaming for time out and he does not get it and the play continues in his favor, then look at him and ask if he still wants the time out.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

I would like to see the rules changed that allows only 2 TOs per game instead of 5. I would also like to see rules changed that requires coaches to remain seated except during dead balls.

 

[gymrat10]

I disagree totally with you on that last post HR and not sure I understand earlier where you are saying it should be a T if defensive player makes a good play??? If the defensive player has the offensive player trapped and offensive player has player control and a TO available, then he should be able to call it. What I'm saying (I wish rule was changed to) is if he has no more time outs and tries to call one, the official just ignores him and then he must either pass the ball or settle for the result of the five second closely guarded call that will come soon enough.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

If he has none and calls for one, T him up. He should have passed ball before getting trapped

 

[gymrat10]

If a team realizes they have 6 players on floor, can they call timeout to avoid a technical foul?

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

If they have 6 on floor, refs should call T before TO can be called.

 

[gymrat10]

What if refs don't know until AFTER the timeout and the ball is dead?

 

[bowlingref]

Too late on that one. 10.1.6 in case book.

 

[gymrat10]

I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this one, as I believe the case play you cite (10.1.6) deals with AFTER time expires. True, then it would be too late and the team with 6 would have "gotten away" with it. The point of my question is if a team, realizing the refs have mistakenly put the ball in play with them having 6 on the floor, can call a time out to avoid having a T called on them. I say they cannot, provided the official(s) have knowledge they participated with more than 5, even if they are hustling off to bench area during dead ball following time out call.

 

[bowlingref]

If the 6 on the floor was not seen during the live ball, then a ref. cannotcall a "T" on what was not seen. After a time is called, the bench will come on the floor to high five the 5 or 6 on the floor. Kinda hard to sort it all out.

 

[gymrat10]

Not my point which is, by rule simply calling a TO when you know you've got six, does not let you "get away with it" simply cuz the ball is now dead. I understand your scenario that as a ref if you don't have sure knowledge, such as justas time out is called, team area is congested, players have jumped up from bench and you cannot count them, then you are NOT sure and therefore CANNOT call the T. In the past 10 days we've had 2 similar situations here in Roanoke area. Last week vs Blacksburg, Salem inbounded ball from near their own bench with six players on floor, unnoticed by the officials. Ball was advanced quickly other direction, inbounder and/or bench realized there were 6, inbounder quickly sat down, ball is actually scored on other end. By time refs realized it, or heard Blacksburg's comments, only five Salem players could be found on court...no penalty. Just this week in regional play vs Turner Ashby, Lord Botetourt was given a T for having 6 on court. It followed some substitutions, where one less came off than went on. LB was dribbling upcourt when coaches noticed and called the TO to get player off, but penalty was NOT avoided, eventhough the whistle and stoppage of play was becasue of a called time out, not one or more officials stopping it for six.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Reminds me of the football game where one team had 13 on defense last season.