What is the “least modern” offense that you have seen be successful in the modern era.

[CrushBlock]

What is the “least modern” offense you have seen be successful at the high school level. For the love of fullbacks, let me know. We are talking I formation and older. T, Wing T, single wing, variations of all.

Do you think modern offenses are inherently superior?

 

[SFUWO]

What is the “least modern” offense you have seen be successful at the high school level. For the love of fullbacks, let me know. We are talking I formation and older. T, Wing T, single wing, variations of all.

Do you think modern offenses are inherently superior?

I think modern offenses are dependent on the talent you have yrs in and yr out. If you build your whole offensive scheme around a QB what happens when you don't have a QB to run the offense? One thing about old offenses is you can plug and play better with the talent you have.

 

[VolNation85]

The modern era for me is the last 25-30 years. With that being said, the first thing that come to mind is the Split Back Veer as perfected by Doug Smith and Appomattox from 2015-2022. Next is the Single Wing by Giles, Riverheads, and Staunton River. I guess you can throw in the I- formation at Salem too.

 

[CrushBlock]

More teams would win more games if they ran the Delaware wing t.

Too much of this new age finicky stuff is ran nowadays that is built for programs that can recruit (colleges)

Wing t with motley at cburg was awesome to watch.

 

[Phoebus Fan]

Idk what Stone Bridge does anymore but that wing T kicked our ass in 2007.

 

[TS69]

Riverheads has won a lot of games over the past years with the double wing offense, incorporating much wing t philosophy. Watched them on film and in Salem several times.

 

[K7w5]

Oldest offenses still in use are the single wing and T(not the wing T, full house backfield). T formation might be the oldest formation in football. The single wing is less old, but single wing teams now have more in common with the single wing teams of the distant past than T teams do with their ancestors.

The wing T is a synchronizing of the two. Single wing plays from an under center look with T backs. Goes a lot deeper than just that aspect of course.

Funny enough the Double Wing is pretty modern, despite looking the most archaic to me. It’s creator only died in 2018. Important to note I’m speaking of the double wing offense, not just a double wing formation. Double wings have been used for a long long time.

 

[CrushBlock]

Oldest offenses still in use are the single wing and T(not the wing T, full house backfield). T formation might be the oldest formation in football. The single wing is less old, but single wing teams now have more in common with the single wing teams of the distant past than T teams do with their ancestors.

The wing T is a synchronizing of the two. Single wing plays from an under center look with T backs. Goes a lot deeper than just that aspect of course.

Funny enough the Double Wing is pretty modern, despite looking the most archaic to me. It’s creator only died in 2018. Important to note I’m speaking of the double wing offense, not just a double wing formation. Double wings have been used for a long long time.

interesting point. The border between formations and offensive playbook/overall strategy is a blurry boundary.

Many “wing - t” teams that aren’t actually executing the storied Delaware wing t.

I called cromers offense at cburg a wing t because it looked like it was borrowing many concepts from that, but running it out of a pistol placement of the qb.

A lot of modern teams borrow classic concepts (like gap-down-backer line assignments) and implement them in unique ways in “modern” formations.

Its why high school football is the most fun level of football. Teams will have identities that pair with their X’s and O’s, even if only for a season. Love it

Maybe I just don’t have an eye for the details but most of what I see on saturdays and sundays feels homogenous.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

The best “least modern” offense I’ve ever seen run was Dave Bedwell’s I-Form Offense he ran at Bird. He did this against some of the better teams in the state. Had a 2000+ yard rusher every year and was the first in the RVA area to win 3 state championships in a row.

 

[kwhs95fan]

The best “least modern” offense I’ve ever seen run was Dave Bedwell’s I-Form Offense he ran at Bird. He did this against some of the better teams in the state. Had a 2000+ yard rusher every year and was the first in the RVA area to win 3 state championships in a row.

Mark Dixon, when he was at Galax had three different 3000 yard rushers in 3 consecutive seasons, running the I formation. I'm a single wing historian myself, and I don't know if I've ever seen anyone run it like Staunton River did during those 3 strong years they had, even having their fullback Grayson Overstreet become the all time leading rusher in the state and all time leading scorer as well.

 

[CrushBlock]

Mark Dixon, when he was at Galax had three different 3000 yard rushers in 3 consecutive seasons, running the I formation. I'm a single wing historian myself, and I don't know if I've ever seen anyone run it like Staunton River did during those 3 strong years they had, even having their fullback Grayson Overstreet become the all time leading rusher in the state and all time leading scorer as well.

I would have like to see those teams play Salem.

would be interested to see how those strong Salem defenses would have held. The years SR was strong, Salem also got three rings.

 

[mike salem]

Also as part of your discussion, can an old school scheme win a C4, C5, or C6, championship in the modern era? Can a mostly one dimensional team win it?

 

[CrushBlock]

Also as part of your discussion, can an old school scheme win a C4, C5, or C6, championship in the modern era? Can a mostly one dimensional team win it?

Most certainly. Biggest setback is defense. Do you have the studs to cover speed on defense?

That’s where the cap is.

 

[otnorot]

Stone Bridge won a lot with the single wing and that goes back more than 100 years, though idk how old their specific version of it was.

 

[G-Men2012]

Against Salem, Phoebus got like three personal fouls because they had never played against an offensive line that physical and it was making them make mistakes.

Salems offense beat themselves last year. The ugly yards were there but we often didn’t take them. Interior o line was getting good movement. Our allstars were being too patient waiting for the big plays they had made all year and taking tackles for losses, instead of getting the ugly yards the o line was handing them. Live and learn, all solid football players.

I don’t think that salems offense is that “old school” but they borrow old school concepts. They certainly could have won last year had they played it slightly differently. They certainly aren’t modern and could have won. Answers that question for me.

They could have also won if they had been in prevent defense (which is common football knowledge) the last play of the game

 

[CrushBlock]

They could have also won if they had been in prevent defense (which is common football knowledge) the last play of the game

there are 30 seconds left in the game, your defensive end got a sack on the previous play. Opposing team is on their own 14 while the clock ticks towards 0. With 27 seconds left to go in the game, you call a time out to substitute in your “prevent defense”. Phoebus catches two passes underneath the coverage and gets 10-15 yards each play after the catch before going out of bounds. Kicker is now in field goal game and kicks it in to win the game. All of the sudden the timeout and subbing in the prevent looks very stupid as you allowed Phoebus a time out to regroup and your prevent was so soft that you gave up 60 yards.

I understand that they should have had their guys further back in retrospect, but let’s not act like it’s madden and the quick options to go prevent can be selected quickly as the offense sets up the next play. A lot was happening.

 

[G-Men2012]

there are 30 seconds left in the game, your defensive end got a sack on the previous play. Opposing team is on their own 14 while the clock ticks towards 0. With 27 seconds left to go in the game, you call a time out to substitute in your “prevent defense”. Phoebus catches two passes underneath the coverage and gets 10-15 yards each play after the catch before going out of bounds. Kicker is now in field goal game and kicks it in to win the game. All of the sudden the timeout and subbing in the prevent looks very stupid as you allowed Phoebus a time out to regroup and your prevent was so soft that you gave up 60 yards.

I understand that they should have had their guys further back in retrospect, but let’s not act like it’s madden and the quick options to go prevent can be selected quickly as the offense sets up the next play. A lot was happening.

No timeout or substitution needed. Cover 4. Back everyone up...can still rush passer.....SIMPLE

 

[ThevinStealberg]

Whatever I saw Strasburg running against Poquoson worked. It looked like a T-formation. The crazy part was that the linemen had 3-4 yard splits. I had never seen that before and was just as confused as Poquoson's defense.

 

[MaroonDude]

Essex looks like they RTDB. I will be shotgunning Bush Lattes in the parking lot at 10:30 if anyone wants to meet up. I'll have a ziplock of fireball for in the stadium.

 

[MarlburlMan]

Mark Dixon, when he was at Galax had three different 3000 yard rushers in 3 consecutive seasons, running the I formation. I'm a single wing historian myself, and I don't know if I've ever seen anyone run it like Staunton River did during those 3 strong years they had, even having their fullback Grayson Overstreet become the all time leading rusher in the state and all time leading scorer as well.

With all due respect to what Staunton River was doing....it was essentially what Giles had done the previous 30 years winning 4 state titles and nearly 80 percent of their games. I don't think anyone has ever had more success with fewer resources than Steve Ragsdale.

 

[MaroonDude]

Did you know Coach Nugent Invented the I offense at VMI?

 

[CrushBlock]

Did you know Coach Nugent Invented the I offense at VMI?

I watched Joe daniels football coaching video on the I- formation and found that out



He thinks the center should always block backside 1 and I vehemently disagree. Good content though imo

 

[MaroonDude]

I am one degree of separation from Coach Nugent!

 

[kwhs95fan]

With all due respect to what Staunton River was doing....it was essentially what Giles had done the previous 30 years winning 4 state titles and nearly 80 percent of their games. I don't think anyone has ever had more success with fewer resources than Steve Ragsdale.

Yes, the coaches from Staunton River even said they used the Giles version of the offense. So many great Giles teams throughout the years. I would love to see them get back to their heyday

 

[ArcticBuc]

Emory & Henry Formation

 

[CrushBlock]

Emory & Henry Formation

My Alma mater. Go wasps

 

[ArcticBuc]

My Alma mater. Go wasps

Got hosed out of the Div. 2 playoffs IMHO. The beat both C-N and LR who got in.

 

[OnlyVA]

I believe Centreville operated out of the Wing-T during their 2013 state title & 2014 state runner-up seasons. And boy those were fun offenses to watch, probably one of the finer examples in VA how dangerous of an offense it can be when you have really fast and talented skill players to carry the ball (great blocking too).

Massaponax also had their vaunted triple option offense. The 2021 team was really good and lost to eventual state champion Oscar Smith in the semi-finals by only a touchdown.

Stone Bridge single wing

 

[MaroonDude]

Cool Mike is going to run the Notre Damn Box next year