Well being that RIVERHEADS will have 474 students again I think they will win it all next year 
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Woodsucker you are a complete dumba$$. Imao!!!!!Well being that RIVERHEADS will have 474 students again I think they will win it all next year
This is a silly post. There are many 1A schools with less than 300 kids and some with less than 200. So its not 20-30 extar kids, its 200-300 extra kids. And cheating is cheating. Just like illegal immigration is illegal. Have fun in 2A next year. Or maybe you can contact someone at RH and ask them about how they play in 1A with over 475 students.
If you don't think 1A to 2A is a big jump, you're just a fool. Sure, the top 4-8 teams in 1A could probably win 6-8 games facing a 2A schedule but, when playoffs come around there is no way any of the top 4 teams from 1A are beating Appo, Richlands, Union, Stuart's Draft, Goochland, or Giles. Look at the state champs from 1A and compare them to the state champs in 2A, it wouldn't even be competitive, Appo would pick how many scores they wanted to put on RH. I agree that Appo has been special these last two years, but watching both games (1A and 2A) Saturday should have told you all you need to know about comparing 1A and 2A.
Giles lost to a single a team this year, but overall I agree with your post. Richlands and Appo are dominant - - think both could compete in 3a or 4aLet me guess....you could beat Appo....
I'm talking year in and year out. I believe Giles could hold their own in the 1A field.
Going by all of the brilliant logic on this board lately I have it figured out. The top 8 teams in D 1 next year will be Riverheads, Windsor, Washington and Lee, George Wythe, Northampton, Central (L), Stonewall Jackson(Quicksburg) and Essex.Well being that RIVERHEADS will have 474 students again I think they will win it all next year
Overall depth is a lot better in 2A, but the top teams in 1A could definitely compete in 2A and some years the 1A champ is better than the 2A champ, etc. Obviously it's going to vary from year to year. Take 2013 and 2013 for example. You don't think Altivavista or Essex could have made the final 4 or even won 2A?
Most people with logic aren't stating that the biggest schools in each classification are ALWAYS the best, what people are stating is that when you are at the line(looks like RH could be over the line) that it helps. RH is a GREAT football program but you can't be blinded by your love and believe that being the 1A school with the most kids (looks like they should be 2A) doesn't help. I believe if RH would move up to 2A they could compete and within some time even contend for a state title. I just don't believe that this year's team could have beat any of the Final Four in 2A, I also believe they would have struggled against Union and Giles. RH is a great football program, but it also helps that they are allowed to play in 1A with their size.
I do believe that Altavista could have contended for a title those years, but I am talking about year in and out. Look at Goochland, Richlands, and Giles (among others) those teams are great year in and out. I just believe it is difficult for 1A teams to compete with the perennial powers on a year in and out basis. 2014 was Glenvar and 2013 was Giles. I think Essex and Altavista would have had a tough time with them. I think Glenvar's line would have pushed around both of those teams and that Giles team had some stellar backs. I would still give the nod to the 2A teams in those situations.
This thread was started with "Well being that RIVERHEADS will have 474 students again I think they will win it all next year". I was referring to that BRILLIANT LOGIC. I am not blinded by my love. I also know that a school that has more students may have a better pool of athletes. I also know that Riverheads plays where ever the VHSL tells us to play and this stupid subject comes up every time we win a state championship. I also know that it takes a great coaching staff, school and community to have such a great program year in and year out. Riverheads was in 2A a couple years ago and lost to Giles in the state semifinals so yes they can compete in D 2 and at least half the schools they play each year are D-2 or higher. Six of our wins this year came against D-2 schools and 1 win was against a D-3 school.
But....the VHSL is telling RH where to play based off of the information RH provides them. I find it odd that from '07-'16 RH lost 100 students (579 in 07' and now 474 in '16). That's almost 20% of your student body. I would be interested to see the funding for RH in terms of hiring. With all of those students being "gone" you definitely could cut some staff as well.....right?
In the 4 years Riverheads was playing in 2A they were 7-4 in the playoffs advancing to the Semi-Finals one of those years. That is a pretty good playoff record. It is not a dominating State Champion record, but it is still good.
Riverheads could have played with and beaten any of the final 4 teams this year except Appomattox. It would have been difficult, but they would have a shot against Goochland, Draft or Richlands. They would not have blown any of those teams out like their march through the playoffs this year.
1A or 2A as long as Casto is there, they will be in the playoffs and competing for titles.
Riverheads could have played with and beaten any of the final 4 teams this year except Appomattox. It would have been difficult, but they would have a shot against Goochland, Draft or Richlands. They would not have blown any of those teams out like their march through the playoffs this year.
1A or 2A as long as Casto is there, they will be in the playoffs and competing for titles.
Buffalo Gap 619 in 2007 down to 502
Stuarts Draft 789 down to 692
RE Lee 829 down to 747
Enrollment figures do change.
I guess we need to do a complete study on the whole area. These schools are down as well in the same time period. Maybe it is something in the water. You can check into the funding for Riverheads in terms of hiring yourself. I have wasted enough of my time.
Looks like every high school in Augusta County is projected to grow except Fort Defiance and RH. BG, SD, and Wilson are all projected to grow.
Riverheads came down to 1A by manipulating the numbers because they could not win a championship at 2A level. RH plays in 1A because the numbers they turn in to VHSL stipulate that's where they play. Stop trying to sidestep the problem. There is not a single person on this board or anywhere that believes RH is not a good program with good coaches. They prove that every year. But the fact is they should not be in 1A. The numbers are real, from their own website. Those are facts.
Many of us who face them every year say the same thing. Until the VHSL does something about it, there really is no need to diminish what the kids in that program have accomplished. My only issues with them are they dodged Lee High for years when Lee had some really good teams. I know for a fact Lee tried multiple times over the years to get them added to the schedule and it never worked out. Lee drops off in football and they face each other for the first time ever last year? I do not like that they also voted against Lee moving into the Shenandoah District with other teams except Draft and Wilson, and forced them to play in the Valley which is a 3A league. I personally would like to see Riverheads stay in 2A with the teams they field in all sports, but that is a decision made by someone at the school. The kids have nothing to do with it. They have 4 State titles in football. Kids earned them no matter what division they played in.
When things aren't in your favor, you cry like a itch. But oh my when the shoes on the other foot. Your a happy itch. So maybe they should have 0A all the way to 10A. That way it will be fair for everyone and we all can get a trophy. That's the way it should be. In order to have WINNERS, you have to have LOSERS. Get over it already.
its easy to make the playoffs in Single A d2 heck Brunswick won 3 games and made the cut
In 2014 RHS was 11-1 in 2A. Beat by King William 28-27 in playoffs. They were #1 seed.
In 2013 RHS was 11-2 with losses to Wilson Memorial and a loss in the state semi final to eventual state champion Giles
In 2012 RHS was 9-2. They suffered 2 losses by a combined 5 points to a Wilson Memorial squad who was upset in the semis by eventual state champion Goochland.
Riverheads may not have won a title in 2A but trust me they are no pushover
They played teams in their true classification and lost. They played down this year and plowed their way to a state title....really impressive.
Yes, 16 titles in golf and 21 in swimming. 4 in tennis and 6 in cross country. I think they have several in horse back riding as well. Maybe 1 in sky diving. Other than that, I don't know of any more.
I wouldn't say it is easy to make the 2A playoffs, the schedule Brunswick played gave them a ton of rider points. But you do make a vailid point. Let me rephrase what I said....
1A or 2A as long as Casto is at Riverheads, they will be a 1 or 2 seed in the playoffs and battling for titles.
As much as it hurts, that program is that good and the kids in that system have earned every bit of it. The adults on this page need to stop trying to tarnish that fact with petty excuses. Maybe the VHSL will look at it, maybe not. But I speak from experience when I say the things said about our kids when we lost in the State Championship 2 years ago over social networks really were pretty bad and left a bad taste that I would never do to someone else, even if they do deserve it. These are High School kids. Up to this point in their young lives, this probably has been the greatest memory for most of them that will last a lifetime.
If the enrollment was 600 and Riverheads could not have competed in 2A then maybe I would buy into the whole few numbers here and there thing. Fact is, that's a damn good football program they have.
I love how people are on here claiming that people are trying to find out if the playing field is level and the response they get is "You are crying", "you're a baby", and "life ain't fair". What is going on? How is inferring about a rule crying? I think what most people want to find out is if RH really does have the student body to play 2A. If they do, they do and if they don't they should be right where they are. People brought up logical points (asking why RH lost nearly 20% of their student body in less than a decade and how the majority of Augusta County schools are growing and RH is dwindling) and those people are deemed "cry babies". If inquiring about an issue that looks fishy from the outside is considered "crying" than we live in a scary world.
The other point is, people are getting on here stating "life ain't fair" and there has to be "winners and losers". I don't think many people are disagreeing with that. Life isn't fair, sometimes you just get outperformed by someone else and I believe most people can accept that, but if someone feels cheated (turning in bogus student population numbers) you better believe they will have a gripe. If RH truly does have 474 kids and the facts come out that they do, I bet people that challenged it can accept when and if RH beats them, what they WILL NOT accept (and shouldn't) is a team lying about population numbers to stay in a lower classification.
Life is fair and just. What makes it unfair and unjust is when PEOPLE manipulate the system for their own benefit while the rest of the people they are competing with are complying with the rules and regulations.
The example I would use is insider trading. If you have trading information that no one else can access(receiving tips from people inside the organization, CEO, etc..) and use it to your benefit, you will go to jail. Can't all those guys say "those poor people are only complaining because they didn't make the money that I did.", well yeah, they didn't and you did because you received an UNFAIR advantage over the majority population.
I honestly don't have a dog in this fight. I respect what RH has done and it doesn't look like they will slow down. However, I do believe in rules and EVERYONE should follow them, no matter how successful you may be. RH was brought up because of the numbers looking odd, 3 straight years of 474 students and the cut off is 475 when you've had as many as 579 and the majority of schools in your county are growing and you are...shrinking? I don't care who you are....that looks odd.
The other point is, people are getting on here stating "life ain't fair" and there has to be "winners and losers". I don't think many people are disagreeing with that. Life isn't fair, sometimes you just get outperformed by someone else and I believe most people can accept that, but if someone feels cheated (turning in bogus student population numbers) you better believe they will have a gripe. If RH truly does have 474 kids and the facts come out that they do, I bet people that challenged it can accept when and if RH beats them, what they WILL NOT accept (and shouldn't) is a team lying about population numbers to stay in a lower classification.
Life is fair and just. What makes it unfair and unjust is when PEOPLE manipulate the system for their own benefit while the rest of the people they are competing with are complying with the rules and regulations.
The example I would use is insider trading. If you have trading information that no one else can access(receiving tips from people inside the organization, CEO, etc..) and use it to your benefit, you will go to jail. Can't all those guys say "those poor people are only complaining because they didn't make the money that I did.", well yeah, they didn't and you did because you received an UNFAIR advantage over the majority population.
I honestly don't have a dog in this fight. I respect what RH has done and it doesn't look like they will slow down. However, I do believe in rules and EVERYONE should follow them, no matter how successful you may be. RH was brought up because of the numbers looking odd, 3 straight years of 474 students and the cut off is 475 when you've had as many as 579 and the majority of schools in your county are growing and you are...shrinking? I don't care who you are....that looks odd.
GW is losing 6 from the "O" and 7 on "D". All new backs and replacing #71. Will be tough.Then you have the kids going to play at the Fort bahahahah, kids in this county don't change schools. Wonder why the new high school for GW if the fort has more students and seems to be growing more?
You haven't ever heard me cry on here. NEVER, son. Your doing enough crying for everyone and it isn't even your school. So STFU.
This will fix it all. 1-50 kids 0-A, 51-100 kids 1A, 101-150 kids 2A, 151-200 kids 3A, 201-250 kids 4A, 251-300 kids 5A, 301-350 kids 6A, all the way to 15A and everyone will be happy. We can now stop all this dang crying. Your school has more students than my school. Then get some more woman pregnant and that should fix everything.
If you don't think the amount of students matter and it is just 11 on 11 maybe you could get Fort in 5 or 6A where they could excel.
