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1MoreHokie · Wednesday at 6:03 PM

Always a difficult argument strictly because you don't come to Salem with the expectation of being a stat monster. It's not like playing for Harless or Highfill where they find a runner they like and give them the ball 400 times a season or what SR did with Overstreet. Most games Salem plays don't end up close so the foot is often off the gas by the start of the third quarter and you're yanked after a series or so anyway so you have to get what you get early most games and you do that splitting carries and, if Salem has a capable QB, with some intermittent passing which, due to your success running the ball, is likely going for big chunks. Thinking of this season, the Blacksburg game was a good example (or CS, trying to remember). Persinger got two carries that game, they went for 158 yards and two TDs but still, he only got to do a little. You can imagine if he'd gotten 10-12 touches he probably could have at least pulled 300 yards.

Ramsey had a fairly unique situation. Luke Owens goes down with a severe injury in week 8 and Ramsey gets 7 games where he is probably 75% of the offense and it pays off gangbusters as he goes for 1500+ yards on about 130 carries and snagged 20 TDs along the way. That was a great Salem team, make no mistake, but it was easy to see from a fan's perspective that all Salem had to do to win state was just keep feeding him.

But realistically, that's just not going to happen. Even Persinger this year, his success has been really good but Arrington is a force in his own right and McAdden can come in as well and pick up yards (those two will do great things next season). It's just rare for a Salem TB to be leaned on so heavily so the stats just don't always bear it out like you'd think when we talk about these all-timers at Salem.

cutnjump · Wednesday at 5:43 PM

VolNation85 said:
One thing I find interesting about the potential boycott is that it is public knowledge that at least 3 of the coaches named in the boycotting letter have benefited from athletes transferring and playing for teams they have coached in the past in Fairfax County. Not saying it's right or wrong but I do find it interesting that those same coaches would now complain abut Hayfield benefiting from transfer athletes.

I don't believe the complaints are about transfers. Transfers happen all the time. The questions are three fold, were rules followed, were there actual violations overlooked or tried to be swept under the rug and did FCPS do anything of substance to oversee the process and actually address complaints and questions raised?

southbottomU · Wednesday at 5:41 PM

salemborn said:
I'm also old and saw just about everyone that's been mentioned. Historically, with few exceptions, Salem has been able to field a pretty good tailback. The top of list is a three person discussion in my opinion. Parker, Haley, and Ramsey. If you picked any of the three anyone would be hard pressed to make an argument to the contrary. I think the real debate starts at number four. A number of names have been mentioned and all worthy. I'd like to add one, Jomo Nelson. At just about any other time in the programs history Nelson would have been a three year starter at tailback but he and Parker were in the same class. When Parker was injured and missed the majority of his senior year, Nelson stepped in, rushed for north of 1,400 yards in ten games, behind what we will politely say was not the best offensive line, with no passing game to keep the defense honest, was the district offensive player of the year, all while playing outside backer full time on defense. Was he the top of "tier 2"? Maybe, maybe not but I think he should in the conversation.

I just can't believe you leave Peyton Lewis off your list. By far, most highly recruited.

757FridayNiteZ · Wednesday at 5:41 PM

edwinanderson2nd said:
Hayfield is FAR better than what the simulations has them

With exception of the private school that beat them, Hayfield's competition is very, VERY poor. The Class 6 A/B representative will be much better team than any other VHSL opponent.

BleedingNavy · Wednesday at 5:40 PM

I do not believe this game will be a blow out, but I do see Dinwiddie winning.

Something no one ever mentions about the Generals is their conditioning. Just like Dinwiddie last season King George plays a lot of people both ways, especially their studs. Dinwiddie's pounding running game and the natural sod has a way of wearing teams down.
Both Matoaca and Powhatan kids cramped up starting halfway through the third quarter. Thought we were going to have to get out the magic sponge.

What a great weekend for Region B football and Class 4 in general. A lot of good matchups.

salemborn · Wednesday at 5:39 PM

cutnjump said:
Just my opinion but, Marcus Parker without injury is at least in the biggest "what if" discussion but, as time rolls on only old timers are likely to remember. Sadly, Marcus' "what if" was beyond his control while Ramsey's was self inflicted.

I'm also old and saw just about everyone that's been mentioned. Historically, with few exceptions, Salem has been able to field a pretty good tailback. The top of the list is a three person discussion in my opinion. Parker, Haley, and Ramsey. If you picked any of the three anyone would be hard pressed to make an argument to the contrary. I think the real debate starts at number four. A number of names have been mentioned and all worthy. I'd like to add one, Jomo Nelson. At just about any other time in the programs history Nelson would have been a three year starter at tailback but he and Parker were in the same class. When Parker was injured and missed the majority of his senior year, Nelson stepped in, rushed for north of 1,400 yards in ten games, behind what we will politely say was not the best offensive line, with no passing game to keep the defense honest, was the district offensive player of the year, all while playing outside backer full time on defense. Was he the top of "tier 2"? Maybe, maybe not but I think he should be in the conversation.

falcettik · Wednesday at 5:28 PM

mrhonda said:
I live in North Carolina, but graduated from Hermitage High School in Richmond. So, I've been following this with interest. We have four major transfer portal teams and they pretty much dominate the playoffs every year, so it's become rather boring. You have these teams nationwide every year, but from what I see, what coach Overton has done is over the top for a public school. In that one long article posted, it indicated that it's not only how he gets his players, but how he never takes his foot off the gas, even when leading by 60 with a running clock. Actually, with how he wants to do things, he probably shouldn't be coaching in pubic schools but at a private. But, of course, he probably wouldn't be able to bully other private schools like he apparently does with the publics. I don't know anything about the teams he's playing but according to Calpreps and Massey, Hayfield isn't even on the radar of very top teams. I picked a few of our top teams and did a simulation through both Massey and Calpreps. All the teams I did was 4A. I included Charlotte Catholic as they do play public schools as members of the North Carolina High School Athletic Association. Following the below scores, I included some scores from the major privates in North Carolina.

Massey (State Playoff Seeding in Parentheses)

Charlotte Catholic (8) - Catholic 39 Hayfield 14

Mallard Creek (13) -Mallard Creek 44 Hayfield 12

Independence (21) - Independence 44 Hayfield 17

Rolesville (5 East Region) - Rolesville 48 Hayfield 20

Grimsley (1) - Grimsley 48 Hayfield 14

Weddington (2) - Weddington 42 Hayfield 7

Hough (5) - Hough 48 Hayfield 12

Calpreps

Charlotte Catholic 34 Hayfield 24

Mallard Creek 42 Hayfield 17

Independence 44 Hayfield 24

Rolesville 48 Hayfield 27

Grimsley 48 Hayfield 20

Weddington 48 Hayfield 17

Hough 52 Hayfield 14

Privates (these were done with Massey. I'd think you'd pretty much have the idea)

Hayfield 38 Charlotte Country Day 20

Charlotte Christian 42 Hayfield 18

Hayfield 35 Charlotte Latin 20

Providence Day 42 Hayfield 13

While I do appreciate the comparison, this year's Hayfield is, as you are well aware, a PME All-Star team and nothing like the Hayfield of the past several decades. Both Massey and Cal Preps use algorithms that incorporate historical trends and data, so the results are a bit inaccurate. Still good to hear your take.

VolNation85 · Wednesday at 5:23 PM

One thing I find interesting about the potential boycott is that it is public knowledge that at least 3 of the coaches named in the boycotting letter have benefited from athletes transferring and playing for teams they have coached in the past in Fairfax County. Not saying it's right or wrong but I do find it interesting that those same coaches would now complain abut Hayfield benefiting from transfer athletes.

VolNation85 · Wednesday at 5:18 PM

MrSalem1000 said:
Is Hayfield playing tommorow? I know MaxPreps isn’t always accurate but it has them scheduled to play tommorow

As of the time of this post they are scheduled to play but Edison is one of the schools that is threatening to boycott.

RappriverEHS · Wednesday at 5:02 PM

I’m not sure what meets your eye test but Essex has only given up 50 points in 10 games. Rapp and Weatmoreland both scored 14, which was enough for Rapp. Essex had costly turnovers in both those games, a few against Rapp on their side of the field.

I don’t think Essex has any problems with Middlesex this week. I see Essex making the right adjustments when they face Rappahannock again. Similar to riverheads beating Stuart’s draft after losing to them in the playoffs.

MCAthletics · Wednesday at 5:00 PM

obguthr said:
Any streaming broadcasts? I'll be at 3A Alleghany at Turner Ashby.

Only thing I know is that one of the MC parents FaceTime Live streams the game.

MrSalem1000 · Wednesday at 4:54 PM

86CulpGrad said:
It's really not that hard to do the right thing. Why do all of these schools/organizations find it so difficult?

I wish I knew that answer

MCAthletics · Wednesday at 4:45 PM

gwb16 said:
I'm still giving the VHSL the lions share of the blame here...IF they had done a proper and thorough investigation when the concerns were first brought up, the innocent student athletes wouldn't be hung up in the middle of this "adult's behaving poorly" episode. I know...I know VHSL doesn't do this...yada yada.....CHANGE IT

THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER LET THE FOX GUARD THE HEN HOUSE!

I bet Coach Serbay at JM was the LAST Football coach in VA that self-reported a violation and that cost them a run at a state title. If any other schools have self reported - I apologize for not knowing...

When you allow some people to self police but they have that "win at all cost" mentality, it can create a very slippery slope. Some coaches should be at Private Schools or look for the financial backing to open up an IMG Academy type school...IF they have that much confidence in their system, recruiting and coaching ability.

In the most simplest terms:
Integrity is doing the right thing when no one else is looking. What are YOU doing?

And yet the VHSL and the powers that be turn a completely blind eye to what is going on with the John Marshall basketball “program”…

Prodigy24 · Wednesday at 4:37 PM

MCAthletics · Wednesday at 4:35 PM

longtimerhsfan said:
I won't use the word "dishonest" about this discussion or any other but if there is one situation in the VHSL that needs addressing, it is the LCA football and John Marshall basketball programs. Last I heard in high school ball, you are supposed to play for the school that is closest to where you live. So you can't tell me that all these world-class athletes establish residences in those two areas every year. In fact wouldn't it be interesting to do a study some time and see how fast they head back to their home towns once those state titles have been won?

Now if those are considered private boarding schools and the athletes qualify on that basis, then fine, but let them compete in the private school leagues. It is totally unfair year in and year out for Virginia's public schools in those classifications and those sports to start practicing, knowing from the beginning that they will not have a shot at a state title.

See Hayfield in the 6A forum…

Prodigy24 · Wednesday at 4:35 PM

Champ Cage said:
2 points per pick, GOTW worth 3. Picks are due Friday @ 7pm. If games are Thursday, it is your responsibility to pick game b4 game time. If games are b4 Thursday the game will not count. No score predictions needed.

Madison Co @ Buckingham Co
Bruton @ King William
Allehany @ Turner Ashby
Magna Vista @ Lord Botetourt
Floyd Co @ Glenvar
Grayson Co @ George Wythe
Virginia @ Graham
Patrick Henry @ Eastside
Grundy @ Rye Cove

GOTW***3 Points each
Riverheads @ Strasburg
Gretna @ Radford
Union @ Ridgeview

Madison Co @ Buckingham Co
Bruton @ King William
Allehany @ Turner Ashby
Magna Vista @ Lord Botetourt
Floyd Co @ Glenvar
Grayson Co @ George Wythe
Virginia @ Graham
Patrick Henry @Eastside
Grundy @ Rye Cove

GOTW***3 Points each
Riverheads @ Strasburg
Gretna @ Radford
Union @ Ridgeview

Hokie1Pokie · Wednesday at 4:31 PM

Not tha Gmen dog! Gmen ain't skeered. Had a cereal killa approach 1 of tha Gmen today and strate up told the Gman that he's 1 of dem serial killas. The Gman smacked the poop out of him and told him u betts go and try killin somewhere else dog cauz we protect dis house. Gmen ain't skeered of nuthin not even Jeffi Dummer

MCAthletics · Wednesday at 4:22 PM

It just dawned on me that if MC were to win at Buckingham Friday night, they would have beaten 3 different district champs…Staunton, Clarke and hopefully Buckingham.

That seems like a fairly rare occurrence. But maybe it’s not?

edwinanderson2nd · Wednesday at 4:09 PM

They would give any NC public school a Challenge

edwinanderson2nd · Wednesday at 4:06 PM

mrhonda said:
I live in North Carolina, but graduated from Hermitage High School in Richmond. So, I've been following this with interest. We have four major transfer portal teams and they pretty much dominate the playoffs every year, so it's become rather boring. You have these teams nationwide every year, but from what I see, what coach Overton has done is over the top for a public school. In that one long article posted, it indicated that it's not only how he gets his players, but how he never takes his foot off the gas, even when leading by 60 with a running clock. Actually, with how he wants to do things, he probably shouldn't be coaching in pubic schools but at a private. But, of course, he probably wouldn't be able to bully other private schools like he apparently does with the publics. I don't know anything about the teams he's playing but according to Calpreps and Massey, Hayfield isn't even on the radar of very top teams. I picked a few of our top teams and did a simulation through both Massey and Calpreps. All the teams I did was 4A. I included Charlotte Catholic as they do play public schools as members of the North Carolina High School Athletic Association. Following the below scores, I included some scores from the major privates in North Carolina.

Massey (State Playoff Seeding in Parentheses)

Charlotte Catholic (8) - Catholic 39 Hayfield 14

Mallard Creek (13) -Mallard Creek 44 Hayfield 12

Independence (21) - Independence 44 Hayfield 17

Rolesville (5 East Region) - Rolesville 48 Hayfield 20

Grimsley (1) - Grimsley 48 Hayfield 14

Weddington (2) - Weddington 42 Hayfield 7

Hough (5) - Hough 48 Hayfield 12

Calpreps

Charlotte Catholic 34 Hayfield 24

Mallard Creek 42 Hayfield 17

Independence 44 Hayfield 24

Rolesville 48 Hayfield 27

Grimsley 48 Hayfield 20

Weddington 48 Hayfield 17

Hough 52 Hayfield 14

Privates (these were done with Massey. I'd think you'd pretty much have the idea)

Hayfield 38 Charlotte Country Day 20

Charlotte Christian 42 Hayfield 18

Hayfield 35 Charlotte Latin 20

Providence Day 42 Hayfield 13

Hayfield is FAR better than what the simulations has them

1MoreHokie · Wednesday at 3:57 PM

To this day my favorite play from a Salem player. Watch Coach Cromer in the foreground going absolutely mental when he realizes Ramsey has gotten away and will score. This was so fun to see in the stands.

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obguthr · Wednesday at 3:14 PM

Any streaming broadcasts? I'll be at 3A Alleghany at Turner Ashby.

mrhonda · Wednesday at 3:08 PM

I live in North Carolina, but graduated from Hermitage High School in Richmond. So, I've been following this with interest. We have four major transfer portal teams and they pretty much dominate the playoffs every year, so it's become rather boring. You have these teams nationwide every year, but from what I see, what coach Overton has done is over the top for a public school. In that one long article posted, it indicated that it's not only how he gets his players, but how he never takes his foot off the gas, even when leading by 60 with a running clock. Actually, with how he wants to do things, he probably shouldn't be coaching in pubic schools but at a private. But, of course, he probably wouldn't be able to bully other private schools like he apparently does with the publics. I don't know anything about the teams he's playing but according to Calpreps and Massey, Hayfield isn't even on the radar of very top teams. I picked a few of our top teams and did a simulation through both Massey and Calpreps. All the teams I did was 4A. I included Charlotte Catholic as they do play public schools as members of the North Carolina High School Athletic Association. Following the below scores, I included some scores from the major privates in North Carolina.

Massey (State Playoff Seeding in Parentheses)

Charlotte Catholic (8) - Catholic 39 Hayfield 14

Mallard Creek (13) -Mallard Creek 44 Hayfield 12

Independence (21) - Independence 44 Hayfield 17

Rolesville (5 East Region) - Rolesville 48 Hayfield 20

Grimsley (1) - Grimsley 48 Hayfield 14

Weddington (2) - Weddington 42 Hayfield 7

Hough (5) - Hough 48 Hayfield 12

Calpreps

Charlotte Catholic 34 Hayfield 24

Mallard Creek 42 Hayfield 17

Independence 44 Hayfield 24

Rolesville 48 Hayfield 27

Grimsley 48 Hayfield 20

Weddington 48 Hayfield 17

Hough 52 Hayfield 14

Privates (these were done with Massey. I'd think you'd pretty much have the idea)

Hayfield 38 Charlotte Country Day 20

Charlotte Christian 42 Hayfield 18

Hayfield 35 Charlotte Latin 20

Providence Day 42 Hayfield 13

cutnjump · Wednesday at 2:40 PM

MrSalem1000 said:
Yeah, he is definitely the biggest “what if”. Man, the dude would’ve been fun to watch on Sundays.

Just my opinion but, Marcus Parker without injury is at least in the biggest "what if" discussion but, as time rolls on only old timers are likely to remember. Sadly, Marcus' "what if" was beyond his control while Ramsey's was self inflicted.

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