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@falcettik The coaches' letter, now that's interesting...
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Hayfield back in the playoffs...maybe not

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It’s become an internal Fairfax issue more than anything else. Those coaches & players within FCPS that tried to engage within the boundaries of the rules aren’t OK with their division leadership playing favorites like this. Someone is going to end up losing their job over this situation.
I think they’ve made more enemies with Twitter fingers than anything and the constantly poking the bear is biting them in the tail. Sure a lot of stuff has been deleted for CYA purposes (if they’re that smart it would be).. After that decision was overturned, the “coaches” should’ve deactivated social media. I see a bunch of selfish and egotistical dudes who are about look at me rather than it being about the kids.

My statement remains. We need real men leading our kids man. We need fathers at home, we need real men leading our young men for this jacked up world we live in. I truly feel bad for the kids who saw Hayfield as a meal ticket out and are now caught up in this mess.

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Here is the passive agressive way of saying I am the expert in the room so listen to my take on this, "And I also have a better understanding of it than most because of doing it myself." That was the shot that was to say anyone that disagrees with your take on this is not valid.

I will say it again, about EVERY game has hidden time in it if you look at it on a myopic level. I would venture to say even with you keeping time there are discrepancies however UNINTENTIONAL. Look its pretty simple to me at this point. If the implication is that the clock issue that we all are aware of (I dont agree on the number of times or quantity but ok) was on purpose, then sure I see your gripe. Is that your stance that it was intentional? If not, then for petes sake come back to reality

Here is the whole point of your argument, "Make the statement that the Riverheads football team doesn't deserve this, and my answer may surprise you, THEY don't." Beat around the bush and compliment 100 times but this is where you stand. If it was about who deserved to win, we wouldn't need to play some of these games would we (its rhetorical, you dont have to answer)? Games arent played on paper or in the vacuum of perfection by the humans involved so that is an inherent part of the game.

Now to your VHSL question. Has there ever been a time that the outcome of a game was overturned? In a fantasy land where they would do that, sure I would be mad. Not about the loss or the reasoning but about a ruling made by the governing body to adjust an outcome based off of something they can control by instituting a neutral clock operator to eliminate even the chance of a mistake happening if that is that big of a bearing on games overall.

As longtime has stated, I am sure there will be more controversies down the road in this series because of proximity and frankly the dislike we have for each other. This was a year that Draft had looked forward to having with this phenomenal group of kids that had success from the time they put pads on in Little League. I realize that part as much as anyone locally but in every game there is a winner and loser regardless of what we feel was deserved. Clock or no clock it was a great game, and both teams deserved to win based on their play on the field. In a lot of ways I hated to see Landon's season end because he is such a great leader of his peers in addition to a very good football player but someone was going to lose that game. If there had been less time maybe Riverheads doesn't score or maybe they do, we will never know and can only speculate.

I will just say that while I disagree with you on a ton of things even outside this discussion, until this thread I have tried to be civil and not resort to accusations, quotes and such. This topic was just a bridge too far since the implication was that there was cheating (HOWEVER SUBTLE you made the accusation). Overall I do not hold any ill will towards you personally but will defend the program and fellow fans when that is the narrative being set by someone implying something nefarious going on.

Pick em Playoffs Week 2

South County
Fairfax


CLASS 4 PLAYOFFS

Varina
Sherando
Dinwiddie
Tuscarora
Smithfield
Danville
Woodgrove


CLASS 5 PLAYOFFS

Matoaca
Indian River
Louisa County
Briar Woods
King's Fork
Stone Bridge

CLASS 3 PLAYOFFS

William Byrd
Turner Ashby
Kettle Run
Liberty Christian
LB
Thomas Jefferson R
IC Norcom

CLASS 6 PLAYOFFS

North Stafford
Highland Springs
Langley
Oscar Smith
Battlefield
James Madison


CLASS 2 PLAYOFFS

King William
Radford
Poquoson
Buckingham
Riverheads
Union
Graham


CLASS 1 PLAYOFFS

Buffalo Gap
George Wythe W
Rye Cove
Eastside
Essex
Bath County
Altavista
Rappahannock
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This ongoing discussion has made me re-think my Sunday post and realize that I could have worded my comments differently. I am referring to the statements I made about "accountability, etc." after reviewing the game tape and seeing the replay of the two-yard setback.

When I watched that live, I was annoyed by it as many of the fans were. As I later learned when I watched the tape, the announcers were taken aback by it as well. For what it was worth the Staunton Leader reporter who covered the story also mentioned it as a strange thing to see.

Then when I watched it on tape, I was even more confused and yes annoyed by it, because as I tried to say on Sunday, it just LOOKED bad. It came across as a very impulsive thing for that referee to do and at the time it seemed to have no connection to the play that had just been run.

Gunz has since clarified for us that the ball was moved back because an official on one side ruled that the ball carrier was down two yards before another official's mark. That is a very plausible explanation and if it had been made clear to us what the reason was (such as by the officials meeting to discuss it before the ball was moved back), then that particular ruling would have been far less controversial.

So I now realize that a more diplomatic thing for me to have done on Sunday was to express my concern in the form of a question as opposed to an accusation calling for the guy's head. For example, I could/should have said "I have reviewed the tape of this game and am still puzzled as to why the ball was moved back two yards. Does anyone know why that was done?"

As for the larger debate about the clock, I have to stay out of that one for the simple reason that I did not notice it. The only timing issues I was aware of were the two occasions when the refs called up to the press box to add time. That of course happens all the time in televised games and as a general rule the team that wants the clock to run the fastest so they can win the game is going to be the one that fusses about it whereas the team that can use the extra time is happy to have it.

The best way for all of us to look at this game is to realize that mistakes are going to be made in all situations in life, sports and otherwise. But nobody is going to win every time or lose every time. There will always be some balance.

For example, even though it has been something like 12 years now, Riverheads fans still recall feeling totally ripped off the night Wilson won at RHS when the quarterback scored the winning TD after he had clearly stepped out of bounds by at least a yard and a half and it was never called. The fact that he stepped out was evident on game tapes and not even CLOSE to being debatable but yet no official saw it and ruled him out.

SD fans will feel upset about this most recent situation for a time, but trust me, there will be other controversies that will go your way and help you win games just like there will be some that will go against Riverheads and cost them a game. For example, basketball will soon be upon us and we all know how many split second decisions and missed or close calls exist in that sport!

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Never intended for you to be scared because it was in no way a threat. Just letting you know that we can continue to talk in circles as long as you want to try to convince me that you are the expert with all the answers.

But let me get this straight, all you are wanting me to say is the game should have went your way, correct? Ok, you should have won because the time keeper screwed you over. Wait did that change anything, nope didn’t think so. Your opinion (facts and evidence or not) doesn’t matter to the outcome.

My statement about the officials is also still true, one of the better crews in the area. They can also be human and fallible kind of like time keepers everywhere except Draft apparently.

Not that anyone cares but the real reason that I won’t let it go at this point is that the original questions/critique was by longtime who by any account is one of the fairest people on the boards. His was an observation made as a fan not as slight to a great Draft team. Your condescending response pissed me off and frankly the attitude that you are that only one involved with this game that could possibly know anything about football.

I never once have said I was the only one involved in this game. And I don't think I even hinted at the fact/opinion/whatever you want to call it that I am smarter than others.

I would 100% agree about @longtimerhsfan . I would have said the exact same about you, maybe not as eloquent as he is. But I would assume that you had heard the rumblings about the clock issues before I said a word. And I must point out, that the 2nd of his posts wasn't just an observation, he laid into the official, with words like "sinking to a low level, formal complaint, and Accountability". And the ONLY part that addressed what he said was "1st: I will address the spot play that was discussed and upset about. It was marked one spot by one side judge, another by the other with him saying his knee was down. It wasn't moved back for no reason. You can say it was the WRONG spot which is fine, but there was a reason."

And in fact, he wasn't replied to, it was another post to the thread. But we can just chalk thst up to semantics. Aside from that one part, my post was not intended at all for anyone in particular.

Ya may not believe it, but I actually have no ill will AT ALL for any Riverheads fan, or anything bad to say about the team or coaches. That includes you.

And no, nothing that you say will change the outcome. Nothing will change the outcome. That is above my pay grade anyway. But, just glossing over it like it wasn't a big deal is less than honest in my book.

Go ahead and have the opinion that had the clock been run correctly that Riverheads would have run something different and still won. I may disagree, but its a fair point to make. Make the statement that the Riverheads football team doesn't deserve this, and my answer may surprise you, THEY don't. But to say that having extra time in a game where the final play gets snapped at 11 seconds had little bearing is either lying to yourself or not wanting to look at it objectively. Now if you wanted to comment and say you didn't believe me about the clock, I mean I know the answer, but that is a completely different argument.

Or maybe you were unaware of the times of the last 2 plays at the 1. We could even have had the agree to disagree on if he were in on 1, both, or neither. That also wouldn't change the outcome.

It is what it is. But a hypothetical, you will have to go down a short rabbit hole with me here. Whether you believe me or not on the evidence, lets assume just for a moment that I am dead on balls accurate (almost as good a movie as the one you referenced) on my numbers, so Riverheads did indeed get 30 extra seconds. Lets then say VHSL agreed. So they are now saying there was enough evidence. What would you say if they then came out and reversed the game? Obviously that is not going to happen, but how would you feel about that? Would you take more issue with the VHSL decision, or the reason for thwir decision?

8/25/22

It was a warm afternoon. GW and The Spartans hooked up in Martinsville. JV football. I did some things I regret and have gotten treatment. Tie game 20-20. I hopped the fence to confront the white hat about why we couldn’t play overtime. He was a RCPS employee. I shot a blast double and rained down elbows until the fat umpire pulled me off. I yelled “You are a rookie, bro “ That is basically what I remember. As Paul Harvey would say “And that’s the rest of the story “

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Never intended for you to be scared because it was in no way a threat. Just letting you know that we can continue to talk in circles as long as you want to try to convince me that you are the expert with all the answers.

But let me get this straight, all you are wanting me to say is the game should have went your way, correct? Ok, you should have won because the time keeper screwed you over. Wait did that change anything, nope didn’t think so. Your opinion (facts and evidence or not) doesn’t matter to the outcome.

My statement about the officials is also still true, one of the better crews in the area. They can also be human and fallible kind of like time keepers everywhere except Draft apparently.

Not that anyone cares but the real reason that I won’t let it go at this point is that the original questions/critique was by longtime who by any account is one of the fairest people on the boards. His was an observation made as a fan not as slight to a great Draft team. Your condescending response pissed me off and frankly the attitude that you are that only one involved with this game that could possibly know anything about football.
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