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Class 4 Title Game - Phoebus vs Varina

State Champs!!!

  • Blue and Gold (757 Edition)

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    Votes: 19 45.2%

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Looking at both of these teams. This game really has the makings of a classic 16-8 type of game. I don’t really see either team scoring more than 24points offensively on neither defense. Both have really good and athletic front 7s. Both have lockdown secondary, points might be difficult to come by.
 
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The thing is there is no smoke. We have zero history with Varina honestly. Like people up here really think I trash talk teams, like Dinwiddie for example, but I’m just giving my opinion and it’s being read as trash talk.

And yes I’m sure the dude complaining about the playoff change is a fan of a C or D school that feels like their region’s chances of getting to a state title are shot now.
There is a lot of smoke. Not necessarily from y’all but definitely the moment itself. Y’all are playing for win #50(?) in a row.. Yall are going for round 2 of 4 straight state championships.. Many people said Varina wouldn’t beat Huguenot or Dinwiddie.. Varina could easily get caught up in the moment but they’re not. I commend their staff and the leadership of the captains Kaleb Wyche, Dev Henderson, Bray Hood, Myles Anderson and Bull Richardson keeping them focused.

Wasn’t necessarily comparing yall to the 75 teams Varina has played in the past, just complimenting how strong y’all’s area and the East End (Varina/Highland Springs) have been. I know Varina and Phoebus have no history but it just says a lot of how this game has everyone in the Richmond metro and Peninsula coming to their respective side and supporting both teams.

I wish this game was being played in Williamsburg, we’d be talking about a new state championship attendance record.
 
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Going for win number 49 in a row and the second 4peat in school history. And by the end of the season it was obvious to all of us (Phoebus) that Varina was the team out of Region B. I laughed so hard when you called Huguenot the best offense in the state. But i said there’s no smoke because Phoebus isn’t going to talk.

And yes I’d rather play in Williamsburg too because it’s in the middle, but instead we have to basically pass Varina and drive another 2 hours west. But it is what it is.
 
Going for win number 49 in a row and the second 4peat in school history. And by the end of the season it was obvious to all of us (Phoebus) that Varina was the team out of Region B. I laughed so hard when you called Huguenot the best offense in the state. But i said there’s no smoke because Phoebus isn’t going to talk.

And yes I’d rather play in Williamsburg too because it’s in the middle, but instead we have to basically pass Varina and drive another 2 hours west. But it is what it is.
Look at the numbers, Huguenot was top 3 in the state and the #1 scoring offense in C4. I didn’t self appoint them as the best offense.
 
That Facebook trash talk is nonsense. It's probably a bunch rec coaches and people doing the talking anyway. Nobody with any real knowledge of what goes into high school football. If it ain't coming from the staff or players who cares.
 
Why not do like the NCAA basketball tournament does once Regional qualifiers are determined reseed the tournament at that time by points
 
Looking at both of these teams. This game really has the makings of a classic 16-8 type of game. I don’t really see either team scoring more than 24points offensively on neither defense. Both have really good and athletic front 7s. Both have lockdown secondary, points might be difficult to come by.
Experience will be a factor. Phoebus has been together in these type of games with the same players since 3 years ago and has won. They can beat you in different ways. With that being said, Varina is a very good team that's playing its best ball. #3 and #6 are the majority of the offense. Defensively, Varina gets after you, causes turnovers and use short fields and sudden change to score. Phoebus has a knack of wearing down its opponents and don't beat themselves. I think Varina is a year away. I'm going Phoebus 23 - Varina 16.
 
Look at the numbers, Huguenot was top 3 in the state and the #1 scoring offense in C4. I didn’t self appoint them as the best offense.
All due respect Bo, Huguenot is not on Phoebus level. Dinwiddie is not on Phoebus level. They score and overwhelm opponents that can't recover. Neither team has a good defense. Varina does and so do Phoebus. Varina has speed and so does Phoebus. Defense is Phoebus' staple. I'm so interested to see this game. I don't see no other team matching up with Phoebus other than Varina. But I'm gonna say it again. The experience is gonna play out in this game. No excuses. 757 vs 804! At night, cold weather, on turf,...it gets dark at 5:20pm. Varina will have to key on multiple guys. QB Wyche is the key for Varina. Going both ways against Phoebus is tough but the kid is a player. He makes everything happen for Varina. I like his game. Phoebus Qb Banks is the truth. Dual threat and Unbeaten. He can beat you running or passing but he doesnt have to play both ways. Phoebus got other dogs. By far this is the best game on Saturday hands down.
 
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Phoebus has given up 3 touchdowns in a game 1 time in the last 3 years. I don't see it happening here. While Varina's defense is very good, they have given up more than 3 touchdowns 2 times this year. Does anyone think they can keep Phoebus to less than 21?
 
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Phoebus has given up 3 touchdowns in a game 1 time in the last 3 years. I don't see it happening here. While Varina's defense is very good, they have given up more than 3 touchdowns 2 times this year. Does anyone think they can keep Phoebus to less than 21?
I think they can but coaching and line play will ultimate factor IMO. I don’t see them lining up and moving the ball on Varina’s defense through pure talent and athleticism. I trust Phoebus coaching staff will scheme up some plays to maintain drives down the field but I still don’t see more than 3tds scored on that Varina defense. Unless there are turnovers and special teams play that can give either team a shorter field to deal with.
 
I think they can but coaching and line play will ultimate factor IMO. I don’t see them lining up and moving the ball on Varina’s defense through pure talent and athleticism. I trust Phoebus coaching staff will scheme up some plays to maintain drives down the field but I still don’t see more than 3tds scored on that Varina defense. Unless there are turnovers and special teams play that can give either team a shorter field to deal with.
Hell, Springs put up 19. Dinwiddie put up 27. What makes you think Phoebus can't score more...lol with a bunch of experienced seniors who already has 3 chips? I'm just asking....or is it wishful thinking?
 
Phoebus has given up 3 touchdowns in a game 1 time in the last 3 years. I don't see it happening here. While Varina's defense is very good, they have given up more than 3 touchdowns 2 times this year. Does anyone think they can keep Phoebus to less than 21?
I think they can hold them to 14. This will be a low scoring game unless there are turnovers
 
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Well you are right. We will but one thing is certain. Phoebus is far better than Springs and Dinwiddie.
Can't use transitive scores. Varina and HS are rivals as well. We do know that Phoebus and Varina beat HS. Win is a win, not every game is the same. I've seen team A beats team B then team B smack team A in the playoffs
 
If Varina has a good secondary then I see them winning. Last week, a smaller and slower Sherando defense had 9 tackles for loss including 4 sacks. I would have to imagine Varina is bigger and faster than what Phoebus played last week.

I’m not saying the sophomore qb isn’t good but from what I saw he held on to the ball when he should have thrown it away and some balls he completed were due to extreme mismatch with Sherando defense. If Varina matches up well in secondary then just throwing it up and allowing larger receivers muscle their way for ball won’t work.
 
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All classes should make this decision in middle season when the best matchups begin to clarify. Of course in class 3 LCA will always win until they move them up as needed.
I wouldn't say "always." LCA has only won 1 championship since joining VHSL. In fact, they have only won the district three times.
 
If Varina has a good secondary then I see them winning. Last week, a smaller and slower Sherando defense had 9 tackles for loss including 4 sacks. I would have to imagine Varina is bigger and faster than what Phoebus played last week.

I’m not saying the sophomore qb isn’t good but from what I saw he held on to the ball when he should have thrown it away and some balls he completed were due to extreme mismatch with Sherando defense. If Varina matches up well in secondary then just throwing it up and allowing larger receivers muscle their way for ball won’t work.
This was your first time seeing Phoebus play right?

QB wanted 300 yards and started holding on to the ball at the end too long. That’s why the sacks happened. Notice they started happening at the end of the game. And he wasn’t just throwing 50/50 balls.
 
Think D-lines are about even but Varina's O-line is probably a bit weaker. Both O-lines will have some trouble but it's a possibility Phoebus D-line can make this miserable for Varina. Wyche has mostly made the O-line a non issue up to this point but Phoebus is probably best equipped to handle what Wyche does. Varina can hold Phoebus to under 20 but I also believe Phoebus could hold Varina to under 14. Varina will need to bring some new wrinkles to the offense this week and the Phoebus side claims they have a lot more in the playbook than we've seen.
I did pick Phoebus before the season(I picked KG last year and stuck with it) so unbiased I would say Phoebus 18 Varina 10. With that said I can't stand so see another 757 champion so LETS GO BLUE DEVILS. Let's come out and be super aggressive on offense and give yourself a chance to win in the 4th.
 
If Varina has a good secondary then I see them winning. Last week, a smaller and slower Sherando defense had 9 tackles for loss including 4 sacks. I would have to imagine Varina is bigger and faster than what Phoebus played last week.

I’m not saying the sophomore qb isn’t good but from what I saw he held on to the ball when he should have thrown it away and some balls he completed were due to extreme mismatch with Sherando defense. If Varina matches up well in secondary then just throwing it up and allowing larger receivers muscle their way for ball won’t work.
I got the feeling he was holding the ball too long on purpose. Sherando were not much of a threat to Phoebus and presented little to no competition. At one point it look like Phoebus was doing a walk through practice.
 
I got the feeling he was holding the ball too long on purpose. Sherando were not much of a threat to Phoebus and presented little to no competition. At one point it look like Phoebus was doing a walk through practice.
If this is the case then I’m im all in on Phoebus. Good luck to both teams.
 
Going for win number 49 in a row and the second 4peat in school history. And by the end of the season it was obvious to all of us (Phoebus) that Varina was the team out of Region B. I laughed so hard when you called Huguenot the best offense in the state. But i said there’s no smoke because Phoebus isn’t going to talk.

And yes I’d rather play in Williamsburg too because it’s in the middle, but instead we have to basically pass Varina and drive another 2 hours west. But it is what
 
these two teams are identical , athletes littered over the field and both have championship pedigrees. Going to come down to who doesn’t beat themselves and let the moment be too large , Phoebus hasn’t lost so they’re not used to it and don’t know how to do so…I’ll continue to roll with the phantoms.
 
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