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I have been out of town a few times and missed some postings as they counted down the preseason the top ten.

It is probably on Twitter etc. but I don't do Twitter and can't find the list. Or please post link? Thanks.

A few that I saw looked West heavy but that's okay...

Just saw Essex as # 3 .....come on, who besides Riverheads is above them?
 
I have been out of town a few times and missed some postings as they counted down the preseason the top ten.

It is probably on Twitter etc. but I don't do Twitter and can't find the list. Or please post link? Thanks.

A few that I saw looked West heavy but that's okay...

Just saw Essex as # 3 .....come on, who besides Riverheads is above them?
Probably Chilhowie

So far
10 W&L
9 Sussex Central
8 Parry McCluer
7 Patrick Henry
6 William Campbell
5 Narrows
4 Galax
3 Essex
2 Chilhowie not released yet
1 Riverheads not released yet
 
I have been out of town a few times and missed some postings as they counted down the preseason the top ten.

It is probably on Twitter etc. but I don't do Twitter and can't find the list. Or please post link? Thanks.

A few that I saw looked West heavy but that's okay...

Just saw Essex as # 3 .....come on, who besides Riverheads is above them?

Don't buy in to much with the VP top 10. An example in 2A, Glenvar will be ranked a Graham team they handled in a scrimmage. Poquoson ranks below an East Rock team that returns a bunch, but so does Poquoson and Poquoson went to the state semis last year. I agree, with what Essex returns and considering the battle with Riverheads and Riverheads blasting Chilhowie (who does return a bunch) there's no way to justify Essex being 3rd, but.....it's just a VP rankings and the games are decided on the field.

Another example....PH Glade Springs ranked in top 10. Essex, Sussex, RH, Chilhowie, Galax, West Point, W. Campbell, JI Burton, G Wythe, and a couple others from the Neck all better.
 
Looks like to me these voters just based it on who went to the playoffs last year and where they finished, without any real thought given to who is returning what. For example, if Chilhowie and Riverheads really are the top two in this poll, then they put Essex and Galax in the 3 and 4 spots, all they are doing is repeating last year's Final Four. Yes it "could" happen that way again, but no guarantee.
 
Thanks for the info.

I enjoy and respect Va Preps but dang, that preseason poll is an embarrassment...:)
 
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You have to remember also, one region could have 3 or 4 of the top teams but only 1 is going to the state semis. Your best 2 will probably not be meeting in the end. Not a perfect system by far, but equal in all the classes of football by playing regional championships.
 
Probably Chilhowie

So far
10 W&L
9 Sussex Central
8 Parry McCluer
7 Patrick Henry
6 William Campbell
5 Narrows
4 Galax
3 Essex
2 Chilhowie not released yet
1 Riverheads not released yet
My take:

Essex might be better than Chilhowie. Narrows will be good, but 5th place? Patrick Henry probably shouldn't be in the top 10. West Point has talent but no depth. If they stay healthy, they should make this list.
 
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Thanks for the info.

I enjoy and respect Va Preps but dang, that preseason poll is an embarrassment...:)

Embarassment. Wow, that's some strong hate. I guess all the hours of sleep I've missed in preparing them, doing research, etc. is embarassing to an extent.

Would love to see your Top 10's -- for all six divisions.

Thanks for reading!
 
Don't buy in to much with the VP top 10. An example in 2A, Glenvar will be ranked a Graham team they handled in a scrimmage. Poquoson ranks below an East Rock team that returns a bunch, but so does Poquoson and Poquoson went to the state semis last year. I agree, with what Essex returns and considering the battle with Riverheads and Riverheads blasting Chilhowie (who does return a bunch) there's no way to justify Essex being 3rd, but.....it's just a VP rankings and the games are decided on the field.

Another example....PH Glade Springs ranked in top 10. Essex, Sussex, RH, Chilhowie, Galax, West Point, W. Campbell, JI Burton, G Wythe, and a couple others from the Neck all better.

Ok, if you're not buying in to our Top 10's, whose are you buying in to? Would love to know who else in the state ranks all six divisions and does so with the accuracy we have.

By the way - EVERY State Champ last year in all six divisions was ranked in the Top 5 in the preseason. Believe that the year before, when I took over in preparing them, every State Champ was ranked in the Top 3 (I'll go back and check).

We get plenty wrong, no doubt. Far from perfect. There will be some hits and a number of misses. I'l be the first to acknowledge that one.

But find me the one that is better done, prepared and I'll gladly let that person or persons do ours... :)
 
Embarassment. Wow, that's some strong hate. I guess all the hours of sleep I've missed in preparing them, doing research, etc. is embarassing to an extent.

Would love to see your Top 10's -- for all six divisions.

Thanks for reading!

Relax my friend...I can assure you no hate at all intended. I have been a supporter of Preps for a long time. I try to tell it like it is - we all have our own perspectives- sorry some of us called the state title whipping like in last August....

I have already done my top ten. I don’t do the other classes cause I don’t pay that much attention to them except for 2A and 4A a bit. You do a great job and we appreciate your work.

Of course Riverheads deserves the #1 spot but the others rankings for 1A are mostly off.
 
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Ok, if you're not buying in to our Top 10's, whose are you buying in to? Would love to know who else in the state ranks all six divisions and does so with the accuracy we have.

By the way - EVERY State Champ last year in all six divisions was ranked in the Top 5 in the preseason. Believe that the year before, when I took over in preparing them, every State Champ was ranked in the Top 3 (I'll go back and check).

We get plenty wrong, no doubt. Far from perfect. There will be some hits and a number of misses. I'l be the first to acknowledge that one.

But find me the one that is better done, prepared and I'll gladly let that person or persons do ours... :)

Matt,

Hold on my friend. Slow down and take a deep breath and let me explain 3 points.

1. I don't buy into ANY top 10 at the High School level because it's just incredibly difficult to know exactly what's going on state wide. That includes a USA Today Top 10 or VA top 10 or Texas top 10. There's no way to tell. I believe 8 out of the top 10 in Class 1A through 6A should be there. We talk about what's not correct, but most of it is legit, but......

2. Example. Poquoson in 2A. Number 5 Matt? Really? Come on man. A final four team that took RE Lee to overtime on the road with a chance to win it at the end of regulation, but a missed field goal. That game at RE Lee and Lee takes Appo to the wire the next week. Now, of all those top 4 schools in Appo, Lee, Union and Poquoson and include E. Rock and Graham. Poquoson returns far more and East Rock is right up there. There is no way 4 other teams in the state of VA in AA should be ranked higher, nor is there 4 AA teams better.

3. Example... Glenvar recently handled Graham in a scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Go to the SW Virginia website and read it. Graham fans are worried. Graham is going to be ranked ahead of Glenvar in the AA poll. Sure, only a scrimmage I know, but read the words of the Graham fans, They got handled on both sides of the ball. That happened. That's a fact. It happened less than 12 days ago this year.

Finally Matt, nobody stated (at least I didn't) that you and your staff doesn't work hard. But, because you work hard doesn't explain all errors. Equally important, you do get it right most of the time, but it's still a High School Poll nd I don't buy into them. As for having the top 5 teams in the state winning the title. Matt, that's easy. Who in VA can't tell you that RH, Essex, Galax, or Chilhowie isn't going to win it at 1A? The odds are what, about 99 percent. I think you guys do a great job and again, get it right far, far more than getting it wrong, but that doesn't mean you are without critique. Matt, if you do a poll, you know there is going to be critique. That's human nature. with that written, there is also praise. At least, I'm praising you. You guys do a solid job. You asked me a question so I will ask you, how do you justify Poquoson at 5 and Graham ahead of Glenvar? Matt, even from near your neck of the woods, Goochland ranked that low with what they return? I just don't see it, but......I respect your opinion. With that written, again, 90+ percent of the entire polling (in my opinion) is on the money. And.....that's praise.
 
Relax my friend...I can assure you no hate at all intended. I have been a supporter of Preps for a long time. I try to tell it like it is - we all have our own perspectives- sorry some of us called the state title whipping like in last August....

I have already done my top ten. I don’t do the other classes cause I don’t pay that much attention to them except for 2A and 4A a bit. You do a great job and we appreciate your work.

Of course Riverheads deserves the #1 spot but the others rankings for 1A are mostly off.

You're entitled to your opinion and appreciate the support. Just calling my / our site's work 'embarassing' seemed a bit harsh, considering the amount of hours I and we pour into it, that's all. Couldn't just sit quietly on that one. I love for the fans to have a voice and value your / all opinions.

Just curious, I don't recall yours, but what was yours for 2 through 10? I'd be curious to see if it's drastically different in terms of teams or just the order.
 
Matt,

Hold on my friend. Slow down and take a deep breath and let me explain 3 points.

1. I don't buy into ANY top 10 at the High School level because it's just incredibly difficult to know exactly what's going on state wide. That includes a USA Today Top 10 or VA top 10 or Texas top 10. There's no way to tell. I believe 8 out of the top 10 in Class 1A through 6A should be there. We talk about what's not correct, but most of it is legit, but......

2. Example. Poquoson in 2A. Number 5 Matt? Really? Come on man. A final four team that took RE Lee to overtime on the road with a chance to win it at the end of regulation, but a missed field goal. That game at RE Lee and Lee takes Appo to the wire the next week. Now, of all those top 4 schools in Appo, Lee, Union and Poquoson and include E. Rock and Graham. Poquoson returns far more and East Rock is right up there. There is no way 4 other teams in the state of VA in AA should be ranked higher, nor is there 4 AA teams better.

3. Example... Glenvar recently handled Graham in a scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Go to the SW Virginia website and read it. Graham fans are worried. Graham is going to be ranked ahead of Glenvar in the AA poll. Sure, only a scrimmage I know, but read the words of the Graham fans, They got handled on both sides of the ball. That happened. That's a fact. It happened less than 12 days ago this year.

Finally Matt, nobody stated (at least I didn't) that you and your staff doesn't work hard. But, because you work hard doesn't explain all errors. Equally important, you do get it right most of the time, but it's still a High School Poll nd I don't buy into them. As for having the top 5 teams in the state winning the title. Matt, that's easy. Who in VA can't tell you that RH, Essex, Galax, or Chilhowie isn't going to win it at 1A? The odds are what, about 99 percent. I think you guys do a great job and again, get it right far, far more than getting it wrong, but that doesn't mean you are without critique. Matt, if you do a poll, you know there is going to be critique. That's human nature. with that written, there is also praise. At least, I'm praising you. You guys do a solid job. You asked me a question so I will ask you, how do you justify Poquoson at 5 and Graham ahead of Glenvar? Matt, even from near your neck of the woods, Goochland ranked that low with what they return? I just don't see it, but......I respect your opinion. With that written, again, 90+ percent of the entire polling (in my opinion) is on the money. And.....that's praise.

On Point 1 - That's fair. A lot of people don't believe in Preseason Polls and that's fine. And in the grand scheme, as we'll state (both in writing and verbally), the Rankings mean little to nothing. It's just to stir up some interest, people talking, and I feel like ours took on exclusivity / extra value from the standpoint of nobody else (at least no other media outlet) in the state does them anymore. The Associated Press stopped doing a Top 10 ranking.

I have no problem with someone disagreeing with the rankings. But like I always say come NCAA Tournament time, and will here as well, for the team that's in that you don't want in, who would you replace them with?

On Point 2 - On Poquoson at #5, I don't think that is too egregious. They bring back some really fine players. The loss of Henesey at LB is significant, but they also have to develop some depth in the secondary. Good enough to win Class 2 though, no question. Class 2 was the hardest of them all for me to do because I literally started out with 21 teams that I considered... began to whittle it down and there are two, maybe even three teams, that didn't make the cut that I could see going 9-1 (and in one team's case, finishing 10-0). Some very tough snubs and calls. So if there's a year that someone goes to the title game and wins it that isn't even in the Top 10, Class 2 might be the one. Deepest of all 6 classes in my opinion. Doesn't mean the best. But deepest in terms of quality squads. Next closest for me was Class 4 where I had about 16 teams I seriously considered.

Wouldn't agree that Poquoson returns far more than East Rock. It's pretty comparable. Starting QB, 1800-yard rusher, All-State WR and 3 o-line regulars are back for ER just on offense. If you go with defense that Poquoson is better / brings back more, I could give you that one. But I do feel ER will be much improved defensively. Splitting hairs and you might turn out to be right that Poq turns out better / goes further. It's debatable.

I think everyone is going to be surprised, borderline shocked, at who we went with at #1. It could blow up in my face. Then again, we may revisit this come December and declare it a gutsy pick. I'm also going to make more than 1 school upset they are left out of the Top 10 completely, but hey, rankings aren't done to make friends.

On Point 3 - Glenvar was one of those teams I seriously thought about ranking higher. 6 does feel low for them. Gap between them and teams such as Appomattox and Graham is miniscule, even if there is a gap. Spoke with Coach Clifford at length one night on the phone. Maxx Philpott is an absolute beast up front on the d-line and Colby Street behind him at linebacker is probably a scholarship player. Of course, the loss of Jack Leonard and Riley Clifford - two players on offense that accounted for more than 3400 yards and 49TD's (plus 10INT's on defense in Clifford's case) - gave me reason to pause. It was harder for them to justiy them ahead of a 3-time reigning State Champ and Graham team that is pretty stacked with talent.

We all tend to over react to scrimmages at times. I even do it myself sometimes, and it's hard not to, I'll admit. I remember when Hampton won a state title one year in their glory years and they got handled in a scrimmage. I wouldn't get over concerned. Wouldn't be too worried if I'm Graham and they drop this much anticipated opener to a very sound Bluefield (WV) team. After all, Bluefield has fared better in the series. Now, if they get blown out and aren't competitive, to where that can linger into a 2nd loss against Giles on September 7th, then the panic becomes more understandable.

Goochland -- the coaching change, though Fruth is familiar with that program having been there before, was weighed. As were some other factors. But again in the East -- Lee, East Rock, Central-Woodstock, Poquoson and Goochland -- all those teams can make it to the title game in my estimation. Yet, the western part of the state will feel, and this is probably fair to think, that whoever comes out of their bracket should win.

The Class 1 was chalk at the top, not necessarily planned that way, but trust me there are a couple divisions where finding that 9th and 10th teams can be a chore. That's in preseason and during the season.

... In closing, all is fine and appreciate the remarks / input. We're all passionate about it I think, which is the good thing. Ready for the games to be played so we have more to dissect, topics to talk about.
 
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Here's my 1A top ten. Opinion only...

1. RH
2. Essex
3. Chilhowie
4. William Campbell
5. Colonial Beach
6. George Wythe
7. Sussex Central
8. JI Burton
9. Wash. Lee
10. Narrows and PM. Tie

Why Colonial Beach 5th? 6-4 in regular season last year with 4 losses by a TOTAL of 13 points. This includes a 2 point loss to Essex and nailbiters to Spottsylvania and Sussex and a 1 pt loss in the playoffs to finish 6-5. They return ALL skill positions on offense. They return most of the Defense and the OL lost 4 of 5 from tackle to tackle, but...their best OLineman returns and the 4 new starters are very talented. In summary, Col Beach will be BETTER than last year. The two best teams in 1A east of Richmond this year are Essex and CB. If you add the playoff loss, CB lost 5 total games against very good competition by a total of.....14 points. Essex is my favorite to face RH in the semis, but....it's a really not Riverheads and Essex in the East as many think. Colonial Beach will be good enough to possibly beat Essex in the playoffs if CB brings their A game and Essex brings their B to B- game.
 
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Matt,

Just read your entire post in response to mine and.........no way I can disagree with any of it. I admit (as a Homer of the Islanders) I didn't know East Rock had that much back in that great of detail. You guys do a solid job.

As for your top 2A school, I do admit my interest is peaked. It's either Graham, Union, or Appo. With what Union returns up front, I suspect you have them first. I don't disagree with that either. Even with Mitchells loss, they return the QB who's a stud and their line play is legit. As for Graham, I wouldn't be necessarily to harsh on them if Bluefield won by 3 TDs. Why? The word I'm getting is....12 time state title winner Bluefield, WV, will field it's best team since the late 60s to early 70s. I don't know if that's true, but it's what I've read. They are supposed to be scary good.

All in all, you and your colleagues are class. You do a solid job. I'm also envious of your writing skills. Don't tell the Union fans I spoke good about them either. It's my thing....
 
This is ridiculous guys. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but they are in a no win situation with most of the fans.

People will complain that a certain teams isnt ranked or ranked correctly, and if they dont do one people will complain they didn't do one. Exactly what do yall expect?

But the kicker for me is whether it is this year or in years past you see something along the lines of, "pre season polls mean nothing, they dont matter. But this team should be ranked ahead of that team." Well if they dont matter, then there is NO REASON to whine about where someone is ranked.

Or better yet, since they mean nothing, when you see them posted, dont complain about them.

One last thing, just because I seen it mentioned. Well this team beat that team in a SCRIMMAGE a couple weeks ago. One scrimmages tell nothing on what a team will do when the games count. Coaches look and do things differently. And 2, just because it happened 2 weeks ago, these polls aren't just done the day they are posted I assume. They put a lot of time into it, and as you can see they are doing a countdown of them. I would assume they aren't going to make a change if they see something in a scrimmage, even if it is a big injury.
 
Lucas, did you purposely leave galax out of your top ten?? Just wondering. I was thinking they would be a possible top 5 on most people’s list. Seems like instead of a tie for tenth spot u could almost just pull GW right on out if there. I personally feel like they are gonna be closer to the .500 spot than near the top. And I only say that based on the schedule they play. No more hiding in the Hogo for them. My opinion only...
 
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Daddy Rabbit. Nope, I did not. My mistake. Galax would definitely be in my top 10 and be 4th and move the rest back one notch, and this shows how tricky a poll can be. Somebody can always be left out. This is why I don't put much stock into polls in High School. The area is vast to cover and polls don't play a part in who wins the title unlike college ball. They certainly do play a part in college. But, polls are fun to discuss and debate, BUT I don't think calling the polls or pollsters names because one disagrees is ok either. That's not cool.

As for Gunz, I will address the part about scrimmages. We agree they mean little and tell little, but......when one offensive lines starters wins Every Play from tackle to tackle over an opponents starters, and that same teams defensive line wins about every play as well, it hints at something. That happened in the Glenvar and Graham scrimmage. Does it mean Glenvar is better or will win in a game in regular season? Nope, it doesn't. But it is a leap to come out of that and conclude the team that got beat handily along both sides of the line would win or is the better team. Time will tell.

I have Glenvar winning their region over Appo, Gretna, Dan River and Giles, and winning over the Graham, Union, Richlands, Ridgeview bunch, and Glenvar playing for the state title. P.S. My wife is a Glenvar grad and still has family in the area. Her family knows football and I trust them. I'm even going to go a step further. Glenvar goes 10-0 in regular season. Galax is going to be good. Watch and see what happens this weekend with Galax and Glenvar.
 
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Daddy Rabbit. Nope, I did not. My mistake. Galax would definitely be in my top 10 and be 4th and move the rest back one notch, and this shows how tricky a poll can be. Somebody can always be left out. This is why I don't put much stock into polls in High School. The area is vast to cover and polls don't play a part in who wins the title unlike college ball. They certainly do play a part in college. But, polls are fun to discuss and debate, BUT I don't think calling the polls or pollsters names because one disagrees is ok either. That's not cool.

As for Gunz, I will address the part about scrimmages. We agree they mean little and tell little, but......when one offensive lines starters wins Every Play from tackle to tackle over an opponents starters, and that same teams defensive line wins about every play as well, it hints at something. That happened in the Glenvar and Graham scrimmage. Does it mean Glenvar is better or will win in a game in regular season? Nope, it doesn't. But it is a leap to come out of that and conclude the team that got beat handily along both sides of the line would win or is the better team. Time will tell.

I have Glenvar winning their region over Appo, Gretna, Dan River and Giles, and winning over the Graham, Union, Richlands, Ridgeview bunch, and Glenvar playing for the state title. P.S. My wife is a Glenvar grad and still has family in the area. Her family knows football and I trust them. I'm even going to go a step further. Glenvar goes 10-0 in regular season. Galax is going to be good. Watch and see what happens this weekend with Galax and Glenvar.

I wont pretend to know what happened in that scrimmage. I wasn't there and I dont pretend to know something I haven't seen. But the entire point of that part is that it happened 12 days ago or whatever. These polls were done by then. So there is no reason to complain about them.

And I just dont understand the use in the complaints over it. Not just you, or on 1a board, or Va Preps. In my brain if there is something I think has no use, I dont complain about it and then give my own version of the useless thing. It just seems that it is complaining to complain.

Here is the way it appears to me. Maybe it is just me and my view is incorrect. But when someone says that something is useless, that means anything that is like. So with the example of polls, saying it is useless means that all such polls are useless. So then to turn around and say the poll should have such and such above the other, well then that is useless also. The only conclusion I draw from that is when someone posts their own is trying to say mine is better, I know more.

As for the rest of my post, it wasnt really directed at anyone. But I know I have seen this year and in the past, well when is the poll going to come out, it should be out by now, etc. And when it does, this poll is horrible, embarrassing, they don't know what they are doing, etc. So @matthew328826 and his colleagues are really in a no win situation. They are criticized if they dont do it, and criticized for what they do put out.
 
You're entitled to your opinion and appreciate the support. Just calling my / our site's work 'embarassing' seemed a bit harsh, considering the amount of hours I and we pour into it, that's all. Couldn't just sit quietly on that one. I love for the fans to have a voice and value your / all opinions.

Just curious, I don't recall yours, but what was yours for 2 through 10? I'd be curious to see if it's drastically different in terms of teams or just the order.

Matt,

1) My apologies - I try not to ever pop off a post when I am in a hurry - I had an important meeting and reacted quickly - wrong choice of words. My bad.

2) At first glance, I thought maybe someone from another region did it or maybe it was made to spark a conversation and interest which it did lol.

3) Its not that off - I just noticed a few teams on there that honestly I doubt could beat the top 8 teams in Region A.

4) Actually, I try to post with a lot of tact. That is why I don't try to embarrass any team but yet also be brutally honest in my thoughts. Just my opinions, feel free to disagree - I love to debate so it doesn't bother me.
 
2018 Early Pre-Season Virginia Class 1 Football Top Ten

#1 Essex
#2 Riverheads
#3 Galax
#4 Sussex
#5 William Campbell
#6 Northumberland
#7 Chilhowie
#8 Washington & Lee
# 9 George Wythe
#10 Colonial Beach

uvacavs1, Jul 16, 2018

Rappahannock Raiders and/or West Point may also be in there (over GW). Not sure if Sussex is that good this year - we will find out very soon.

Yes, I have Essex over Riverheads. I explained in length why last month - basically Riverheads deserves to be #1 until beaten. However, I think Essex will defeat them if they meet up again as expected. hence, the #1 ranking.
 
Out of curiosity, which team or teams would 8 teams from Region A beat? And if you don’t mind can you name the 8 Region A Team’s? I for one don’t see that many that can beat this top ten but I am not real familiar with all of the Region A teams.
 
Guys, I know Matt personally. And I know how much he cares about gathering the best information as is possible, and then posting same for our enjoyment. And I'm not sure there are very many that could survive on as little sleep as he gets. (The man is a machine).

If you follow Matt on the different media formats, then you already know that he is extremely particular about posting only accurate information. Consequently, he does the best research that is possible, and practical, before he makes a post. This holds true for the VirginiaPreps top 10, pre-season, and throughout the year.

One final comment about Matt. Not only is he at the top of his game with respect to reporting on high school athletics, he is one of the nicest, most genuine, and approachable gentlemen I know.

So I ask of you, disagree respectfully with him. In fact, he encourages this. Just provide your reasons and rationale so that he, and all the rest of us, can learn from you.

Thank you for being considerate.
 
Riverheads, Galax, Chilhowie, William Campbell should be in the Top Ten - not sure about the other schools not in A.

It is just a poll - but they are done for a reason. I am open to other thoughts.

Again, my opinions only. I have no problems with dissent or agreement.
 
Guys, I know Matt personally. And I know how much he cares about gathering the best information as is possible, and then posting same for our enjoyment. And I'm not sure there are very many that could survive on as little sleep as he gets. (The man is a machine).

If you follow Matt on the different media formats, then you already know that he is extremely particular about posting only accurate information. Consequently, he does the best research that is possible, and practical, before he makes a post. This holds true for the VirginiaPreps top 10, pre-season, and throughout the year.

One final comment about Matt. Not only is he at the top of his game with respect to reporting on high school athletics, he is one of the nicest, most genuine, and approachable gentlemen I know.

So I ask of you, disagree respectfully with him. In fact, he encourages this. Just provide your reasons and rationale so that he, and all the rest of us, can learn from you.

Thank you for being considerate.

Well said, DP!
 
Riverheads, Galax, Chilhowie, William Campbell should be in the Top Ten - not sure about the other schools not in A.

It is just a poll - but they are done for a reason. I am open to other thoughts.

Again, my opinions only. I have no problems with dissent or agreement.
Fair enough, I don’t think the top few are in question except the order each of us may see them.
Narrows will be good with the bulk of their squad returning outside of them, Galax, and Chilhowie I can see your point. Not that PM, PH or even GW can’t win it all, the talk around their teams is or hasn’t been as confident as you would expect of a contender. Likewise I will say I would be surprised to see Northumberland, W&L or CB win the whole thing.
No disrespect intended to any of those teams but on either side you have some Titans to knock off to even get there.
 
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This thread is great. It's not "complaining" when one disagrees with a top 10 ranking. It's discussion, dialogue, a debate, in summary, the VERY purpose of a message board.

As for any post in this thread over the top? Just one and that was the "embarrassment" comment and Uvacavs apologized and moved on to in depth discussion. Matt even mentioned the point in stimulating discussion and look at this thread. There's discussion. That's a good thing. Do you think Matt would truly think something is weird if 10 people responded and stated, "yep, I agree with all ten in Exactly that order." Of course something we be weird, and to have a different opinion of who should be ranked where isn't complaining. Now, to continue that discussion I feel the following......

Colonial Beach should be top 10 (would be in my top 10) far ahead of PHenry based on their schedule strength and how they performed last year with what they have returning. I would have Essex number two for the exact same reason.

At 2A, you and I disagree again Guns41. I would have Glenvar ahead of Graham. If the two scrimmages and one team handily got the better of the other team, and this event happens before the rankings/poll is released, then Glenvar should be ranked ahead, it's not about when the rankings were made or done in my opinion only. That event happened before you and me got to see where Glenvar and Graham were originally ranked, so I would argue....change the two. Now, if you feel a scrimmage isn't enough to cause a shift, then I respect that, but disagree because the scrimmage was lobsided. Again, respect your opinion Gunz, but disagree.

With the differences stated in my opinion of the the top 10, let me state again like I did earlier that I feel it's 90 percent on the money. Thats called agreement. But, my 90 percent may be different from others. That's called discussion.

I love discussion and debate on rankings and polls at the High School Level. It's fun. I stated earlier that I don't buy into the VP poll, the Texas Poll, or any High School Poll based on the difficulty in area/size/resources. This is not a knock on the pollsters or their work ethic which is incredibly solid, but it's just so hard to know so much about every little school. We know about Alabama or VT because of the massive media and reports. We can't turn on ESPN the ocho and see a 5 panel disccussion on how the backup QB at Galax or Northumberland is progressing. This is why I don't buy into the validity as much, but not buying into the validity is far different than questing the integrity, decency or work ethic of the pollsters/rankers. One poster even mentioned in this thread something to the tune of, "if you don't agree, then don't complain and move on." Folks, that message is exactly what you do NOT want to happen. Because you have a different opinion, talk about it. But, respect for the pollsters/rankers is equally important in that disagreement or agreement.

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This thread is great. It's not "complaining" when one disagrees with a top 10 ranking. It's discussion, dialogue, a debate, in summary, the VERY purpose of a message board.

As for any post in this thread over the top? Just one and that was the "embarrassment" comment and Uvacavs apologized and moved on to in depth discussion. Matt even mentioned the point in stimulating discussion and look at this thread. There's discussion. That's a good thing. Do you think Matt would truly think something is weird if 10 people responded and stated, "yep, I agree with all ten in Exactly that order." Of course something we be weird, and to have a different opinion of who should be ranked where isn't complaining. Now, to continue that discussion I feel the following......

Colonial Beach should be top 10 (would be in my top 10) far ahead of PHenry based on their schedule strength and how they performed last year with what they have returning. I would have Essex number two for the exact same reason.

At 2A, you and I disagree again Guns41. I would have Glenvar ahead of Graham. If the two scrimmages and one team handily got the better of the other team, and this event happens before the rankings/poll is released, then Glenvar should be ranked ahead, it's not about when the rankings were made or done in my opinion only. That event happened before you and me got to see where Glenvar and Graham were originally ranked, so I would argue....change the two. Now, if you feel a scrimmage isn't enough to cause a shift, then I respect that, but disagree because the scrimmage was lobsided. Again, respect your opinion Gunz, but disagree.

With the differences stated in my opinion of the the top 10, let me state again like I did earlier that I feel it's 90 percent on the money. Thats called agreement. But, my 90 percent may be different from others. That's called discussion.

I love discussion and debate on rankings and polls at the High School Level. It's fun. I stated earlier that I don't buy into the VP poll, the Texas Poll, or any High School Poll based on the difficulty in area/size/resources. This is not a knock on the pollsters or their work ethic which is incredibly solid, but it's just so hard to know so much about every little school. We know about Alabama or VT because of the massive media and reports. We can't turn on ESPN the ocho and see a 5 panel disccussion on how the backup QB at Galax or Northumberland is progressing. This is why I don't buy into the validity as much, but not buying into the validity is far different than questing the integrity, decency or work ethic of the pollsters/rankers. One poster even mentioned in this thread something to the tune of, "if you don't agree, then don't complain and move on." Folks, that message is exactly what you do NOT want to happen. Because you have a different opinion, talk about it. But, respect for the pollsters/rankers is equally important in that disagreement or agreement.

Only my thoughts

I think you are looking to single minded at the one scrimmage, no matter what happened in it. Example with my college team. When THE Ohio State lost to VT a few years ago, why did they not drop below them in rankings, and why did they have the opportunity to win the National championship. Because one game doesnt define anyone. Since we have no idea what each teams strategy was going into the scrimmage, there is no way to quantify the merits of the "win". With a preseason poll, the pollsters are going off of what is and expectations. Urban gives the Buckeyes a much better chance to win than without him. With his situation up in the air, why have they not been dropped from Top 5? Because it was already done.

As for discussing the polls, yes that is what they are for. But saying they are useless and then turning around and saying, there is no way this team should be ahead of this team is complaining. What that LOOKS like is that that person wouldn't have said they were useless if the other way on top.

You really dont see a difference in these?

"I disagree, Stuarts Draft should be a top 5 team, this is how I would rank it"

And

"These polls are useless, for Stuarts Draft to not be ranked in top 5 and be ranked behind so and so is unjustified."
 
Like I wrote, we disagree and the difference in the two statements on Stuart's Draft is little. Post two attacks the "use of the polls." It does NOT attack the pollsters/rankers personally. Example Two you gave is stronger and I don't agree with it, but when the "intentions, integrity" of the people making the polls is attacked, that goes above the line. The pollsters stating that "these polls are useless" is attacking the results, the rankings in that poll, and NOT accusing the people making the rankings of malice or true bias or wrong intent. Again, we disagree.

As for a poll being useless. There's some truth to it. Meaning, they don't determine seeding in Va. They don't determine home field advantage. But, they are very useful in one sense. They are fun. They are awesome for fans. They stimulate discussion and draw interest from fans.
 
One last thing Gunz since we are talking about it. When Uvacavs stated this is an embarrassment, even that is not truly attacking the pollster/ranker. He's upset by the results. What's actually more of an attack is the one poster that stated something to the effect of....."they only take what the final four or semis were last year and this is how they get the top four." This weren't the exact words, but this was the jest. That is more of an attack on the intent or integrity of the pollster/ranker simply because that poster has no clue as to the methods of how or why the pollster picks the top 4. If I were the pollster, I would actually be more taken back by that post than the "embarrassment" post now that I have looked back at the thread.
 
Like I wrote, we disagree and the difference in the two statements on Stuart's Draft is little. Post two attacks the "use of the polls." It does NOT attack the pollsters/rankers personally. Example Two you gave is stronger and I don't agree with it, but when the "intentions, integrity" of the people making the polls is attacked, that goes above the line. The pollsters stating that "these polls are useless" is attacking the results, the rankings in that poll, and NOT accusing the people making the rankings of malice or true bias or wrong intent. Again, we disagree.

As for a poll being useless. There's some truth to it. Meaning, they don't determine seeding in Va. They don't determine home field advantage. But, they are very useful in one sense. They are fun. They are awesome for fans. They stimulate discussion and draw interest from fans.

As for Stuarts Draft, I wasn't making that assertion, just using my team as the example.

Like I said, maybe I just view things wrong, but I see a clear, concise, and negative difference in the 2 statements
 
Just pulling your chain @Gunz41, I am not a hater at all. Being a Draft alum from the mid to late 80’s, I remember some very good teams from back in the day that never got their due. It never hurts my feelings to see the Cougars do well, except against the Red Team.
 
Just pulling your chain @Gunz41, I am not a hater at all. Being a Draft alum from the mid to late 80’s, I remember some very good teams from back in the day that never got their due. It never hurts my feelings to see the Cougars do well, except against the Red Team.

Ah, cant be pulling for the Red Team when they play SD then, not what an alum would do lol jk

I actually know people both sides of that, RH alum at SD and vice versa
 
.....when one offensive lines starters wins Every Play from tackle to tackle over an opponents starters, and that same teams defensive line wins about every play as well, it hints at something...
I don't agree with much you say, well, really nothing. Haha BUT I do agree with you on this.

People scoffed at some Union posters for saying they held their own against Elizabethton, TN in a scrimmage by saying "it's just a scrimmage." However, this is exactly what I noticed. I looked at some video later (1s vs 1s), and Union ran on Elizabethton with ease, and never lost the LOS battle, offensively or defensively.

Union will be a work in progress this year. Could be 10-0 or 7-3. Will depend on how quickly things come together.

Good luck to Poquoson.
 
I don't agree with much you say, well, really nothing. Haha BUT I do agree with you on this.
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Which one is it? You agree with "nothing" but "agree on this." Talking about a dichotomy. Nothing personal Union fan, but I don't agree with much you say either.

I have Union winning that region and returning to the state semis. <-----thats only my opinion, but hey, like you wrote.....I'm sure you don't agree. Good luck to Union.
 
Which one is it? You agree with "nothing" but "agree on this." Talking about a dichotomy. Nothing personal Union fan, but I don't agree with much you say either.

I have Union winning that region and returning to the state semis. <-----thats only my opinion, but hey, like you wrote.....I'm sure you don't agree. Good luck to Union.
Well, after that post let's change that to "almost nothing." haha
It's nice that we can agree to disagree. :)

Union could very well win the region, but I think it's a toss-up among Union, Richlands, Ridgeview, and Graham.

We'll find out for sure about Graham after Friday's game with Bluefield. The rest have cupcakes this week.
 
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