Daily Press write up on "Da Bulls" of 2018
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I'm just sitting here enjoying the RE LEE vs Union comparisons!!!
Well I am not comparing, so since I am neutral in this discussion, what do Appomattox fans think?
I'm just sitting here enjoying the RE LEE vs Union comparisons!!!
I also like the Poquoson comparison. Who's say we were not the third best team in the state.
State Semis
Poquoson on the road against Lee
Appo on the road against Union
Lee wins in an OT game as the home team in a contest more closely in play. Afterall, the two teams were tied at the end of regulation.
Appo wins on the road at Union in a game in which a late score for Union after the game was over and out of reach cut it to within 3 points.
Lee and Appo in a toss up with Lee leading most of the game on a neutral field. Poquoson's argument is as good as Union's. I can assure you, Lee's argument is not just as good, its better than Unions and Poquoson and you know what, two teams were in the title game.....Appo and Lee. That's the history. Thats what happened. The VHSL playoffs books and records will show.....Appo beat Lee and won the state title and there are no "asterisks" stating, "Union might have been the better team."
Fact is.....Union lost on its home field and the debate was over at the point. Theres no way to get around that. Also, Lee lost in a much more closer debated contest on a neutral field. Anything from after this paragraph is reaching to say Union was the second best team. Common sense has to kick in at some point. Emotion has to sometimes be tamed when clouding the obvious. What also hurts Unions argument is that you essentially have the same two teams in 2016, and they had a larger fire than in California at Appo as the bulbs in the scoreboard caught on fire. You saw Unions true colors when they leave the friendly confines of Big Stone Gap. Same thing in 2017, if Union and Appo play on a neutral field, it's a 3 TD game. If Lee and Union play on a neutral field, it's a 2 TD game in favor of Lee.
On quick note about why the point about Appo traveling to Union matters. Since the school (Union) combined and formed in 2011, Union is 2 and 6 in record in the playoffs when they play a team from east of Blacksburg. When they go on the road to play a team east of Blacksburg in the playoffs, they are 1-4 with their only win coming against Dan River. To put it another way, since the school has been in existence, they have won 1 game in the playoffs (1 time in history) when traveling on the road playing a team that is east of Blacksburg, or basically outside of far SWVA. Glenvar, Appo, Draft, and Clarke all with wins over them when Union traveled.
The truth is, most teams do not have good records when they travel far in the playoffs. But, you can see, Union struggles when leaving Big Stone Gap. Thats not because Union is a "bad" road team in the playoffs when traveling out of SWVA, but it is related to Union being far, far better at home and they have a true home field advantage for sure. Therefore, what Appo did was impressive because that game ain't within 14 points of being close if played on a neutral field. See 2016 with the 43-0 annihilation over Union just one year before at Appo. Appo and Lee played on a neutral field and Lee led most of the game at nearly won it. Lee "be better" than Union.
The truth is, most teams do not have good records when they travel far in the playoffs. But, you can see, Union struggles when leaving Big Stone Gap. Thats not because Union is a "bad" road team in the playoffs when traveling out of SWVA, but it is related to Union being far, far better at home and they have a true home field advantage for sure. Therefore, what Appo did was impressive because that game ain't within 14 points of being close if played on a neutral field. See 2016 with the 43-0 annihilation over Union just one year before at Appo. Appo and Lee played on a neutral field and Lee led most of the game at nearly won it. Lee "be better" than Union.
I will say to the reference of the 2017 beating of Union and the 2016 drubbing of Union. The 2016 Raiders would have beat the 2017 Raiders very soundly. 2016 has an good edge offensively and a huge advantage defensively.
Union game this year. Raiders played with the lead in 2nd half, knowing Union had to score 3 times so Appo played much more conservative. Really think if they would have kept pouring it on a they could have kept lead to double digits.
The atmosphere at this game was one I’ll never forget. Tons of Union and SWVA fans out to see the SWVA team take done the two time champs! Lots of Raiders fans made the 4.5 hour drive to cheer on their boys. I thought we represented very well and showed them that we were loud and proud too.
Championship game there was s big swing in momentum as Appo tied the game and then forced the Leeman into a 3 and out. THEN.... the crazy shanked punt the was behind the LOS and picked up and ran for a TD by Lee put them back up by 7. But it took Appo only a few more plays after that to answer that score.
I think had Lee not had that crazy punt TD that Appo would have continued and won by 10 or so.
Both Union and Lee were great teams. Appo just had a QB that always kept them in the game.
Union game this year. Raiders played with the lead in 2nd half, knowing Union had to score 3 times so Appo played much more conservative. Really think if they would have kept pouring it on a they could have kept lead to double digits.
The atmosphere at this game was one I’ll never forget. Tons of Union and SWVA fans out to see the SWVA team take done the two time champs! Lots of Raiders fans made the 4.5 hour drive to cheer on their boys. I thought we represented very well and showed them that we were loud and proud too.
Championship game there was s big swing in momentum as Appo tied the game and then forced the Leeman into a 3 and out. THEN.... the crazy shanked punt the was behind the LOS and picked up and ran for a TD by Lee put them back up by 7. But it took Appo only a few more plays after that to answer that score.
I think had Lee not had that crazy punt TD that Appo would have continued and won by 10 or so.
Both Union and Lee were great teams. Appo just had a QB that always kept them in the game.
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You're much more reasonable, but the game showed Appo didn't do much offensively. PR TD, a 30 yard TD drive and a 15-yard TD drive. Union didn't do much on offense either until after the break, but if a couple bounces go the other way, Union could've easily won. If Appo doesn't get the TD after bad punt before the half, if a block in back was called on PR TD, etc.... it's a to tally diff game and maybe Union wins. I'm in no way downing Appo, they were great and came up big when it mattered. But Union was great too.
How many teams held Appo to 23 points? Or only allowed Appo to score two offensive TDs? Appo was very good, but Union was only a sliver behind them.
I could think of a lot of things to call @lucastookis sometimes, but it has never even came into a semblance of a thought of him being luscious. I think with that thought we all need a shower lol
Well not everything went Appos way in first half. If you remember they had a TD flagged for a illegal procedure and then had the FG attempt blocked. If we live on “would haves”and “could haves”, that’s 7 more points they “could” have had in the first half.
The do called block in the back was a good block from what I could see plus there were 10 other Union players to make that tackle that didn’t.
Bottom line. Union was a great team that played Appo very tough. Their defense was stout and Mitchell was a serious threat. Appo just played a more complete game.
The do called block in the back was a good block from what I could see plus there were 10 other Union players to make that tackle that didn’t.
Bottom line. Union was a great team that played Appo very tough. Their defense was stout and Mitchell was a serious threat. Appo just played a more complete game.
When I hear someone say or something written "we gave them" this or that, it speaks to a losers mentality. You didn't "give" anything. Appo "took" what they wanted on special teams. Big plays are part of the game. Long sustained drives mean little if a team scores quickly or with D or with special teams.
You Big Winners made the statement last year that Appo and Union were the best two in the state and you hinted it again in this thread. So, don't play the ole "lucas has it in for Union" red herring. Fact is, lucas does not agree with your foolish assessment of which the data points to Lee being a better team. Anger and namecalling and red herrings point to someone with a weak argument.
You Big Winners made the statement last year that Appo and Union were the best two in the state and you hinted it again in this thread. So, don't play the ole "lucas has it in for Union" red herring. Fact is, lucas does not agree with your foolish assessment of which the data points to Lee being a better team. Anger and namecalling and red herrings point to someone with a weak argument.
Ahhh, there it is..."we." Good ole Gunz and as the discussion is clearly not in favor of "Union being better than Lee," the unbiased and totally objective Gunz makes his first post in the thread deviating from the discussion. Its an attempt to dissuade, to turn make the discussion personal because the argument is lost. I knew it was coming, and the play to the audience in the form of "we" was let loose. And it should be.....Lee was better than Union, period.
BigWinners, your excuses and statements such as "we gave them" or "everything went right for them" or blaming a certain call sounds like a young kid in a school argument. Your statements remind me of Uncle Rico. I can hear it now, "if Coach would have put in 54, we would have took state." Hey, Unions QB "could throw a football clean over that mountain." LOL. Wait, let me guess, one of the officials gambled on Appo and through the game, lol. You got beat son, and if Appo doesn't take their foot off the case with that big lead, you get beat worse. We're only having this discussion because Appo played a great Heritage team. Otherwise, you travel to Appo and lose by a score of about 31-10.
Well 1 it wasn't my first post, and 2nd it was a joke. Have an issue with me all you want, you dont effect my life in the slightest. But I'll be willing to bet that nobody on here finds you luscious.
How you read anything more than that in the post is strange
Let's settle the debate right now with the good ole VHSL Reference Game Simulator!
The simulator says that Union beats Lee 27-14 on the road and 22-20 at home.
The simulator says that Union beats Poquoson 40-7 at home and 38-7 on the road.
I guess VHSL Reference says that Union was the second best team in the state in 2017. Lol
The simulator says that Union beats Lee 27-14 on the road and 22-20 at home.
The simulator says that Union beats Poquoson 40-7 at home and 38-7 on the road.
I guess VHSL Reference says that Union was the second best team in the state in 2017. Lol
Gunz, I'm not sure why your posting in this thread? If you've stated you have no opinion on the matter, why you still trolling. Well, it is ok. Check out this link below.
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Let's settle the debate right now with the good ole VHSL Reference Game Simulator!
The simulator says that Union beats Lee 27-14 on the road and 22-20 at home.
The simulator says that Union beats Poquoson 40-7 at home and 38-7 on the road.
I guess VHSL Reference says that Union was the second best team in the state in 2017. Lol
Maxpreps final rankings had Lee ranked 26th and Union 51st in the state of Virginia.
And it also shows Poquoson playing 15 games last year, Lebanon 12 games (played 2 different teams twice), so....
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Wow, you got me. Whew that was the worst day in my life.
No it wasnt the deaths in my family, or a few years ago when I had a 4 year old Goddaughter pass away from a terminal disease, it was a football game in which I wasnt a participant. Yea you really got me bud.
You sir are pathetic.
I certainly think Poquoson would have represented itself better than that. Honestly, there isn't a RCH bit of difference between Staunton and Union.Let's settle the debate right now with the good ole VHSL Reference Game Simulator!
The simulator says that Union beats Lee 27-14 on the road and 22-20 at home.
The simulator says that Union beats Poquoson 40-7 at home and 38-7 on the road.
I guess VHSL Reference says that Union was the second best team in the state in 2017. Lol
Wow, you got me. Whew that was the worst day in my life.
No it wasnt the deaths in my family, or a few years ago when I had a 4 year old Goddaughter pass away from a terminal disease, it was a football game in which I wasnt a participant.
Anger in the form of namecalling and nothing remotely close to topic. It's clear you and Biglos....I mean Big Winner came in to troll the thread. I swallowed you both and pooped out a GunzWinner. Thats the pathetic part. You try and troll and you get served.
No it wasnt the deaths in my family, or a few years ago when I had a 4 year old Goddaughter pass away from a terminal disease, it was a football game in which I wasnt a participant.
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Anger in the form of namecalling and nothing remotely close to topic. It's clear you and Biglos....I mean Big Winner came in to troll the thread. I swallowed you both and pooped out a GunzWinner. Thats the pathetic part. You try and troll and you get served.
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Honestly, I think you're right. But, in the spur of the moment, I figured I would use a little comedy and smarmy way of settling the debate. VHSL Reference and MaxPreps both are what I would consider unreliable methods. But, it's good for a laugh or two.
This thread went from talking about a very good program in Poquoson and looking forward to a great season to talking about the past that obviously people will not agree on. Bottom line is Appomattox has been champ 3 years and counting. All other 2A schools were just not good enough to beat them. Honestly, who cares who was 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th best. It is all opinion and some teams may line up better against one team and not another. The teams mentioned in this thread are all worthy of a title this year. One great thing is the fact that we (Va Prep Posters) all really love this sport and really support our schools and student athletes. Let's start taking the high road, agree to disagree and move on. Life is too short and the best part of high school football is beginning next week! Week one of the regular season! Come on guys! Lets get positive!!!!
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Well said G-Dog, and looking forward to playing again. I think that game will be played again in Goochland if both teams get that far because lots of football to be played. Best wished to Goochland on I'm sure what will be another solid season and a team that maybe could be the favorite to win the whole thing with what is returning.
I think my "Dawgs" will represent well. Appomattox is still "King of the Hill" until someone knocks them off. I think it will be some of the same teams near the top from last year along with a couple of surprises as well. Here is a little clip about Goochland that WWBT 12 did.
http://www.nbc12.com/clip/14565914/fruth-era-kicking-off-for-goochland-football
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