Effort to stem Illegal Transfers
- Thread starter DinwiddieProud
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Transfers should be allowed with no prohibitions-----its a free country. It's recruiting that should be prohibited with steep penalties.
If a student athlete transfers, legally and is clear to play in the regular season, there's no reason to remove them from post season. That's a harsh rule to place on them. Let's try to remember, SOMETIMES parents take jobs in different areas that require a move....we have to keep an open mind to often delicate family dynamics. I'm against punishing the kids. The ADULTS are responsible for doing the right thing here...their MORAL COMPASS has to be true and calibrated.
Do you have a working definition of a "illegal" transfer. Need one that don't involve moral high ground and delicate family dynamics.
What do you define as a legal and illegal transfer? Is a kid living in one county playing in another county legal? Is a kid that has been kicked out of one school but then goes play for another the next season ok? If you go to a county school then see that the town school inside your county has a better program then the county is it legal to transfer? Very broad area to cover and these are situations I have stated happened back when I was in high school many many years ago so don’t anyone get their undies tangled thinking I am talking about your school or program!
I think it’s weird and too complicated for any of us to decide. I’ve heard very good points from @gwb16 on these days ”used to be” guys with egos trying to relive their playing days. I agree with that. I’ve heard @falcettik talk about the morals/integrity aspect of the specific Hayfield situation. I agree with that. I also agree with @Phoebus Fan about kids playing with their coaches. I 100% agree with that. @Bucktown434 and @BleedingNavy have made some very good points.
Most of you have kids on this board. I work with them and have hundreds that may as well be mine… I’m a huge believer in doing what’s in the best interest of the child. I’m also a huge believer in choice and autonomy. If a parent chooses to move their child 30 minutes to play for a coach they’ve played for, then so be it. I don’t think that’s breaking any rules. Many of you would make the point that sacrifice is a huge characteristic of being a good parent. Wouldn’t putting your child in a better situation be that? I am a proud educator myself and I’m here to tell you, I wouldn’t trust my child playing for any coach or going to a lot of these schools/school districts.
I think the idea of recruiting is sticky. Some of your favorite coaches are at youth league games throughout the year, looking at talent amongst other things. Isn’t that recruiting? I don’t see anything wrong with that.. Promoting your program online whether it’s YouTube, X or other platforms? Building your brand? You’re recruiting families to your program..
The only illegal form of recruiting I see is stopping kids after a game or jumping into DMs. Happens all the time but had very very little success rate.
Just my opinion.
Most of you have kids on this board. I work with them and have hundreds that may as well be mine… I’m a huge believer in doing what’s in the best interest of the child. I’m also a huge believer in choice and autonomy. If a parent chooses to move their child 30 minutes to play for a coach they’ve played for, then so be it. I don’t think that’s breaking any rules. Many of you would make the point that sacrifice is a huge characteristic of being a good parent. Wouldn’t putting your child in a better situation be that? I am a proud educator myself and I’m here to tell you, I wouldn’t trust my child playing for any coach or going to a lot of these schools/school districts.
I think the idea of recruiting is sticky. Some of your favorite coaches are at youth league games throughout the year, looking at talent amongst other things. Isn’t that recruiting? I don’t see anything wrong with that.. Promoting your program online whether it’s YouTube, X or other platforms? Building your brand? You’re recruiting families to your program..
The only illegal form of recruiting I see is stopping kids after a game or jumping into DMs. Happens all the time but had very very little success rate.
Just my opinion.
We hear all these stories about contenders and people transferring there to win championships. But I have seen a lot of questionable transfers where kids switch schools to a worse school just so they can make the team, albeit the last kid on the bench. And then they don't even make the team there. People really need to remember what school is for and say no to their kids
Not in my opinion. If a kid can legally play in the regular season they should not be excluded from postseason. My point is the same as it always has been, consistent design AND enforcement of the rules with the objective of giving kids opportunity for success. The issues arise, in my opinion, when that consistency, both in design and enforcement, is permitted to erode.
Nope i hate this idea. If they’re eligible for regular season then they should be eligible for playoffs.
I don’t see anything wrong with a player going to a school that they feel can make the best use of their athletic abilities. To be honest there are a lot of bad situations at the high school level and I don’t blame any kid that doesn’t want to play for a particular school. For example, Ksaan Farrar talent was just wasting away at Menchville and he transferred to Green Run and is now a top 5 QB in the state and going D1.
I don’t see anything wrong with a player going to a school that they feel can make the best use of their athletic abilities. To be honest there are a lot of bad situations at the high school level and I don’t blame any kid that doesn’t want to play for a particular school. For example, Ksaan Farrar talent was just wasting away at Menchville and he transferred to Green Run and is now a top 5 QB in the state and going D1.
Just off the top of my head....claiming a kid is homeless, when he isn't, to get him into your school/program. You call it or color it whatever you want...that's the SMOKE/FIRE scenario.
Honest question from my perspective....why are we even having this discussion? Why can't some people coach the kids in their school zone and build from that, like better than 95% of the rest of the coaches in the state? THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION that folks should be asking. Are the overinflated egos and enablers that out of touch with moral duties and responsibilities that they're incapable of teaching our youth that being truthful AND honorable are "kinda, sorta important" traits to possess? Or....we just gonna blow through that part and just go straight to 70 point wins is the only way you're getting an NIL deal, or going JUCO? Or staright to that 37U Saturday afternoon league for the washed up wannbes/coulda beens?
Define "illegal"....great question. VHSL has a clearly laid out path for transfers...when you don't follow that path...well is it illegal? Or....are you being unfairly picked on for being successful? According to a few interviews I've listened to - that's a legit question...
All dynamic questions. Nothing static.
The only "constant" - just CHOOSE to do the right thing and you'll never have to worry about the word "illegal" being associated with your program....and honestly, doesn't illegal conjure the thoughts of actual "LAWS" being broken? Nothing in the VHSL guidelines was written by Virginia lawmakers, no Virginia "codes" violated. Some "hair splitting" being attempted.
Which is why I choose to push the "do what's MORALLY acceptable"....If you're incapable, you're not fit to be coaching and molding our youth.
I know many think my views are antiquated and even bias, but that's were everyone is wrong. I don't agree with @DinwiddieProud on his proposed transfer rule; however, I do firmly believe in member schools following the rules we currently have in place.
Many years ago coaches were not allowed to coach AAU, travel, and rec league teams, but surprisingly the same people/parents (soccer, baseball, and softball) who had the rules changed are the same ones griping now. I do not believe coaches should create Club teams and funnel the players to the schools that hire them. We have to draw a line somewhere and in my opinion this is it.
I get the opportunity argument, but if these type of programs draw all the college coaches and the players need this level of exposure to get opportunities then do we really need high school sports at all?
I have been in the sports game a long time as a player coach and official. I know how recruiting works and it's cutthroat. I seen kids helped tremendously while others have been used and thrown away like garbage.
In my opinion, the best option for high school sports is to make kids play in the zone they live in or have one open division where school districts who allow students to go wherever they desire (magnate schools and open enrollment) can compete against equitable competition. The rest of the divisions play by the zone rule. Either way the kid/parent has a choice.
People have forgotten that the motto of the VHSL is equitable and fair play. Whatever the rules they must be followed and severe consequences given for non-compliance. If you do this schools, teams, and parents will not risk little Fred or Lucy's opportunity for the gold at the end of the rainbow.
Respect everyone's opinion on this.
Many years ago coaches were not allowed to coach AAU, travel, and rec league teams, but surprisingly the same people/parents (soccer, baseball, and softball) who had the rules changed are the same ones griping now. I do not believe coaches should create Club teams and funnel the players to the schools that hire them. We have to draw a line somewhere and in my opinion this is it.
I get the opportunity argument, but if these type of programs draw all the college coaches and the players need this level of exposure to get opportunities then do we really need high school sports at all?
I have been in the sports game a long time as a player coach and official. I know how recruiting works and it's cutthroat. I seen kids helped tremendously while others have been used and thrown away like garbage.
In my opinion, the best option for high school sports is to make kids play in the zone they live in or have one open division where school districts who allow students to go wherever they desire (magnate schools and open enrollment) can compete against equitable competition. The rest of the divisions play by the zone rule. Either way the kid/parent has a choice.
People have forgotten that the motto of the VHSL is equitable and fair play. Whatever the rules they must be followed and severe consequences given for non-compliance. If you do this schools, teams, and parents will not risk little Fred or Lucy's opportunity for the gold at the end of the rainbow.
Respect everyone's opinion on this.
I think it's a pretty clear cut you need to live in that school zone to play a sport there. If a parent physically moves 3 times for their kid to transfer 3 time then great let them have at it. Show physical proof that you live in that location and unlimited transfers would be fine because we know statistically majority of people can't just move for a high school sports opportunity.
