There is a solution for every problem. I'll ask the AD at Salem if a couple of Salem JV players can join Essex for the the game.
Essex vs Grayson County
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Essex played GC in 2003 Championship. The week before essex played James Monroe. Some argued JM should have been D3. 2 years later JM was moved up to D3. The AD at JM complained and wanted JM to stay at D2... anyway.
To your point above, for the players, they can only play the teams they are scheduled to play, for the fans, root for your team. The rest is for someone else to figure out.
To your point above, for the players, they can only play the teams they are scheduled to play, for the fans, root for your team. The rest is for someone else to figure out.
If your first 2 sentences were true (and they arent-they are hyperbole and fallacy) but if they were true and you stand by your word based on your first 2 sentences, then we need to get rid of classifications. "Strap em up Rye Cove, go play at LCA or Hampton or Lafayette." " Stop crying and worrying about numbers for goodness sake and just play football."
An no, the smaller schools haven't "wished" for more numbers. What they have "wished for" is schools with Class 2 numbers who have absolutely no barrier or restriction in travel to actually play in Class 2.
Want to know what hundreds of non-Grayson fans in Salem are thinking when they see a Grayson hat or shirt on Saturday? Many of them are thinking COWARD. Is that Graysons fault such as the kids on the field or 98 percent of the Grayson fans or band members or cheerleaders? Of course it's not their fault, but it is the fault of your former AD and a few fans and a few admins. Literally, the other 3 fanbases with Essex, Graham, and Strasburg in the back of their minds are thinking....Coward. Lastly, 99 percent of Grayson people are good and honest humans like most other places in Virginia, but your not helping yourself by incredibly seeming to argue or minimize that poor actions taken by the very small few from Grayson that either are in charge or were in charge.
I can assure you of this. You will get your wish with Essex and not having Essex worrying about numbers. You are going to get taken apart.
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I’m sorry I irritated you. I have no dog in this fight. Nor do I give a damn who wins. I’ve coached in 1A small and large, 2A large and small, same with 3A and 4A as well as finishing in 5A. Now I’ve coached in both Va and TN. My point was numbers are controlled by governing bodies in the states. As coaches, very few gave a rats behind about numbers. We just prepped and worked our butts off trying to come up with a great game plan. Left the worries like that up to others. You can call Grayson officials cheaters or anything else.you wish. Some school divisions redraw district lines to accommodate numbers. Some graduate X number students at end of 1st semester or send students to specialty schools in the division to lower enrollment in a particular school within the division. Happens all the time. As for as Rye Cove, I’m sure they are satisfied playing their schedule as is. Not everyone has the luxury of being located in an area with a substantial amount of the appropriate division schools to fill out their schedule. Some schools have no choice but to play larger schools simply because of the geographic location. So my point is play the game and let the chips fall where they may. Good luck to both teams tomorrow. Sad thing is not many people will remember this game 10 years from now, 20 years from now except those who are on the field tomorrow either as a coach or player. I’m going enjoy my day tomorrow, out here in Tennessee with my buddies watching the Army/Navy game. Oh yeah, all are currently coaching or have retired from the profession. And there may be some non coaches named George, Jim, Jack, or Evan in attendance. 😂😂😂
Don't forget the part where the superintendent threatened a lawsuit if Grayson was put into class 2 instead of class 1.
1. Point 1 You didn't irritate me. You asked a question which implies in any normal social interaction that you desire an answer and I gave you the honest answer. I think it was my answer that irritated you.
2. Point 2 You NOW state that numbers are controlled by governing bodies. That's another fallacy as you just changed your original point. The original point you made was.."who cares about numbers." There's zero need for you to explain numbers and school population if "nobody" is supposed to care about them.
3. Point 3. You talk about working your butts off. That's great. Good job.
4. Point 4. You stated I called officials in Grayson cheaters. That's a lie (similar to what your AD did in Lying.) I called SOME (a very small few) cheaters and that's a gigantic difference from every person in Grayson County.
5. Point 5. You state again to leave the worrying about the numbers to the higher ups and the coaches not worrying about it. As the Head Football Coach, you should have input on a decision that effects the potential reclassification of your school. It's part of your job as being a leader as a Head Coach.
Final Point- we agree here some. You wrote reasons why numbers may be off such as early graduation or redrawing of school districts and used Rye Cove as an example and others for difficulty in filling out a schedule. All of those didn't apply to Grayson. Grayson appealed for hardship reasons. What's laughable? The powers that be at Grayson who filed the petition argued hardship. Incredibly, Grayson picked up Bluefield High, WV, which is an hour and 1/2 drove by school bus. What incredible hardship for poor ole Grayson.
Hyperbole? There are posters on here who have brought it up every single game they have played.
There certainly have been 'Posters On Here" who have brought it up. There are also hundreds of posters who have NOT and far more have not as evidenced those who read the thread (which is shown) and those who dont post on it. Do you see any difference with your thinking cap in the above 2 scenarios? You used the word "Everyone" in your earlier post and the two amounts.........."Everyone" and "Some Posters on here" are two different amounts. Your statement was hyperbole.
Want more hyperbole where you incredibly seem to struggle with "amounts" or measurements? You wrote There are Posters on here who have brought it up "Every single Game." Really? All 14 games? Wow! That's incredible. I certainly did NOT see where Graysons appeal to play Class 2 and student pop numbers were mentioned 14 times in 14 different weeks. Why? Because it hasn't been mentioned "Every Single Week." You are using Hyperbole again which is a form of fallacy which stems from thinking being dominated too much by Emotion and too little rationality.
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It's about the former AD at Grayson making a bad and cowardly decision in my opinion to appeal to play down. As for you having no dog in the fight? Perhaps you don't, but you have made 6 posts in this thread, so you certainly have some leashes ready to go, if in fact you do have no dog in the fight.
I agree with you on the kids at Grayson and pointed it out regarding no fault. It's not their fault and they only play who they are told. My critique has always and only been focused on the very small few/the powers that be at Grayson who petitioned to play down. Any critique of Grayson, if people have critique, should be directed at those who made the cowardly decision, not the kids, fans, etc. With that written, Because it's Not the kids fault doesn't absolve the powers that be at Grayson who appealed exempt from critique either.
They're going to get killed by Essex. At that point, I hope you can dislodge the stick in your butt.
There it is. Emotional statements again. No rational thought. You go straight back to more emotion and a personal attack as you didn't do well when facts were presented to you. But hey, "you have no dog in the fight", lol. By the way, I'm rooting for Grayson to win. I'm a Region C guy and like and respect Essex and their program, but I hope Grayson wins the state title. You see, unlike you, I'm practical and rational. I can root for Grayson (and I truly am) but also call a spade a spade regarding the previous decision made by the Grayson AD and voice an opinion on it. I'm able to separate the two above because I can have a thought process that's not dominated by emotion,, unlike yours.
I know man. I've been asked by fellow Radford fans, but I still can't blame the kids/players/ and 99 percent of fans at Grayson. They didn't have anything to do with it. I do step up though when a fan of Grayson or any other fan tries to minimize or even justify their ADs appeal. It's easy to say for the one poster "move on, who cares about numbers or its only 16 more students" when Grayson is in the state title game. Who cares about those numbers are teams like Rye Cove and Bath County and every other Class 1 school. I have friends in Independence though and will still root for them. It won't matter though. Essex will finally get it done this year.
Grayson AD had absolutely zero to do with this . Zero. This will 100% Super
Whether the AD, the water boy, the mascot or the little old 90 year old lady living nearby, some human or humans at Grayson submitted an appeal based on a LIE. That did happen, and that's what many people are upset at. Does that mean the person or persons from Grayson or the county or whoever are 'Bad' people or "monsters"? Of course not. Their likely good people or a good person (whoever was responsible) but the choice to file an appeal based on hardship was a bad choice in my opinion. It was based on a false truth in my opinion and I'm entitled to my opinion. Other fans are entitled to their opinions on it also. Many are upset and some are ok with it. You do you and to each is their own.
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Grayson is in the class they’re in, you’re not hearing Essex complain about it. I think some forget how it used to be when we had single A D1 and 2. Back then there were no hard cutoffs and you had Single A schools with more students than some AA schools. AA size schools playing AAA just because they wanted it to. In like 2007 Buffalo Gap played Colonial Beach in the Single A D1 state semi game. Colonial Beach had like 180 students while Buffalo gap had close to 700 ( and Colonial Beach almost won).
The Buffalo Gap RB that year had one of the best football names I've ever seen. His name was Pickle Nuckols and he was a stud
That CB team was really good. They beat King William back to back years. They also won the state championship in basketball in, I believe it was 2009. Their star player, TT Carey originally signed and played at LaSalle, but then finished his career at Longwood. Their other really good player, Dylan Farinet had a nice career at Mary Washington. Of course, both were key players on their football team as well.
