John Marshall’s Schedule

[BoKnowsSports]

That’s true, I’ve never felt unsafe in Charlotte, even when my dad and I took a wrong turn and ended up at a Shoneys where we were def out of place lol but it was super cool and never did we feel unsafe driving around. I know there are some rougher parts of Charlotte but Richmond has a lot of rough parts now and if you aren’t on campus or other touristy type places, it could be trouble.

I’d LOVE to see Richmond really become a big industry hub and really become a true metro area. VA needs it, we need to bring in as many jobs as possible across the entire state, starting from my neck of the woods in far SWVA all the way to the coast. Arlington, Loudon Co, etc. shouldn’t be the places always getting the new jobs and big money opportunities. I’d kill for Wise County (or Richmond city) to get the school resources some of those counties get. I tell people all the time the issue isn’t between races of people but socioeconomic differences. Us poor folk don’t stand a chance, white or black, if we aren’t given any opportunity to succeed and make a good living close to home.

I love your full post bro. I would’ve made a great life in Charlotte but it’s kind of hard when you’re barely making 50k, getting paid 1 time a month and the cheapest/nicest apartment is 1400 a month. Charlotte has some of best people on earth down there and it doesn’t matter if you’re white, black or dooty turd green, everyone gets along. Just a great city to live in.

I 100% agree with spreading the wealth in our state. A lot of people don’t realize just how marketable your part of the state is and it would be nice to see some major industry between Big Stone Gap and Bristol and north to Bluefield. I was out that way in March and it’s really God’s Country and very accessible to Charlotte, Tri Cities TN and Asheville. Seems like NoVA gets everything.. The jobs, the higher wages and “better education”.. One of the things that I like about the Richmond region is we get some of those benefits without traffic, azzhole people and high cost of living. You’d be very surprised how many people live in the Richmond area and work in DC/NoVA.

 

[Fairlawncat]

Wtf is going on here?

Well, Hokie1 is a bit "different" Phoebus Fan. He lands somewhere between a diehard Graham GMen fan and "One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest."

 

[MCAthletics]

From what we understood, our latest Convo with Coach Harman at Floyd Co, is that JM basketball wants to play up, but I think there's push back with the other sports at the school not wanting to. We talked to the VHSL about this as well and I believe they are looking at some options, maybe an open division. I feel like it should be easy to grant special cases, like JM basketball, to play up while the other sports at the school stay down.

There is already an option… the JM basketball program could opt out of the VHSL while the rest of the JM sports/academics stay in 2A. Several football programs around the state (including 2A Teams) have done so. Most of those football teams did so because they were NOT competitive but there are no limitations on opting out. JM could do this but they must just want the “state title” as another scalp in the trophy case.

Stop justifying JM actions…they play 2A because they obviously want to!

 

[Fairlawncat]

There is already an option… the JM basketball program could opt out of the VHSL while the rest of the sports/academics stay in 2A. Several football programs around the state (including 2A Teams) have done so. Most of those football teams did so because they were NOT competitive but there are no limitations on opting out. JM could do this but they must just want the “state title” as another scalp in the trophy case.

Stop justifying JM actions…they play 2A because they obviously want to!

Narcissists don't do "the right thing," (unless it benefits them) which is what you are describing above which is a moral argument. The number of state titles and repetitive state titles and those history books in the mind of their Head Coach and AD outweighs "mortality." The ego must be fed and to feed it, it takes rationalizing and convincing and the usual token trolls that justify the behavior publicly and online.

After the narc ego is well fed and the history books and titles are well entrenched, the Narc will only then, opt out of Class 2 or move up to Class 6 because at that point, appearing as the "hero or good guy" benefits the narc more than another title.

 

[MCAthletics]

Narcissists don't do "the right thing," (unless it benefits them) which is what you are describing above which is a moral argument. The number of state titles and repetitive state titles and those history books in the mind of their Head Coach and AD outweighs "mortality." The ego must be fed and to feed it, it takes rationalizing and convincing and the usual token trolls that justify the behavior publicly and online.

After the narc ego is well fed and the history books and titles are well entrenched, the Narc will only then, opt out of Class 2 or move up to Class 6 because at that point, appearing as the "hero or good guy" benefits the narc more than another title.

True…maybe when the spotlight turns from Hayfield football to JM basketball, there will be an asterisk beside those trophy case scalps.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

Narcissists don't do "the right thing," (unless it benefits them) which is what you are describing above which is a moral argument. The number of state titles and repetitive state titles and those history books in the mind of their Head Coach and AD outweighs "mortality." The ego must be fed and to feed it, it takes rationalizing and convincing and the usual token trolls that justify the behavior publicly and online.

After the narc ego is well fed and the history books and titles are well entrenched, the Narc will only then, opt out of Class 2 or move up to Class 6 because at that point, appearing as the "hero or good guy" benefits the narc more than another title.

You don’t even know what you’re talking about 🤣.

You good ole boys love to make it a personal attack and character flaw when you can’t beat them. Get mad at the VHSL, not Ty White and John Marshall.

Ty White makes hundreds of thousands of dollars from Adidas, he’s certainly isn’t worried about C2 ball when his Team Loaded is always in contention in big time AAU.

 

[SportsJunkie32]

You don’t even know what you’re talking about 🤣.

You good ole boys love to make it a personal attack and character flaw when you can’t beat them. Get mad at the VHSL, not Ty White and John Marshall.

Ty White makes hundreds of thousands of dollars from Adidas, he’s certainly isn’t worried about C2 ball when his Team Loaded is always in contention in big time AAU.

It’s always them too, who want to tell successful programs how to operate and run ship. Like if it’s not done how they want it, there “narcissist”/ bad people. How many years has Madison or Radford done a turkey giveaway or toy drive during the holidays for those less fortunate? How many cancer awareness tournaments have they thrown and donated ALL the money to VCU cancer research? Pretty narcissistic of them I guess…

 

[Fairlawncat]

There they are.......as I hinted in my post, always some token trolls to do the bidding of the Narc who's pulling the strings and right on cue, you two sheep step up and perform with rationalizing. I thought it would take a bit, but Good Lordy, you two echo quickly.

You can be the next Michael the Archangel or Mother Theresa and do all the good works you want. Fact is, deep down, inside whatever is left of a conscience, your HC and AD know that they are cheating and so does the majority of the state's basketball fans that pay attention. Ted Bundy once worked as a 911 operator and helped people out and did good works. In the grand scheme of things, Ted Bundy was a piece of shi$.

 

[Fairlawncat]

You don’t even know what you’re talking about 🤣.

You good ole boys love to make it a personal attack and character flaw when you can’t beat them. Get mad at the VHSL, not Ty White and John Marshall.

Ty White makes hundreds of thousands of dollars from Adidas, he’s certainly isn’t worried about C2 ball when his Team Loaded is always in contention in big time AAU.

Aside from the one pound of ad hominem and other fallacy-filled in your post, your statement about blaming the VHSL is one I agree with. I do blame the VHSL. I don't blame John Marshall's players or fans or students. I blame the VHSL mostly, but question the character of the HC. If he had any ounce of competitive character, he would beg the VHSL to play up in basketball. And yes, JM could play up in Class 6 in hoops without doing it in other sports. The VHSL could make an exception for them because the VHSL is already/at present making an exception for them by allowing what they are doing to continue.

Because the VHSL is mostly at fault for allowing it doesn't automatically exempt the AD and HC at John Marshall from what is obviously, bad behavior or dishonesty, or an unfair advantage, or whatever one wishes to label it. Doing wrong can be difficult to define, kind of like porn, but we know it when we see it.

 

[Phoebus Fan]

You don’t even know what you’re talking about 🤣.

You good ole boys love to make it a personal attack and character flaw when you can’t beat them. Get mad at the VHSL, not Ty White and John Marshall.

Ty White makes hundreds of thousands of dollars from Adidas, he’s certainly isn’t worried about C2 ball when his Team Loaded is always in contention in big time AAU.

You just gotta laugh at the posts man. What JM is doing and will continue to do is dope.

 

[Phoebus Fan]

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Aside from the one pound of ad hominem and other fallacy-filled in your post, your statement about blaming the VHSL is one I agree with. I do blame the VHSL. I don't blame John Marshall's players or fans or students. I blame the VHSL mostly, but question the character of the HC. If he had any ounce of competitive character, he would beg the VHSL to play up in basketball. And yes, JM could play up in Class 6 in hoops without doing it in other sports. The VHSL could make an exception for them because the VHSL is already/at present making an exception for them by allowing what they are doing to continue.

Because the VHSL is mostly at fault for allowing it doesn't automatically exempt the AD and HC at John Marshall from what is obviously, bad behavior or dishonesty, or an unfair advantage, or whatever one wishes to label it. Doing wrong can be difficult to define, kind of like porn, but we know it when we see it.

You must have a son on a 2A state runner up contender team.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

Ty White is a good man. He could’ve been left to take a big time coaching position, but he’s helping these inner city kids on and off the court.

Not his fault Radford’s coach cried and told his players they may as well not even play before the game 🤣.. Most coward thing I’ve ever heard.

Thing is, John Marshall lost to a team that lost 7 games last week. If C2 fans/coaches would stop moaning and complaining and get their kids prepared to ball, it wouldn’t be such a gap.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

There they are.......as I hinted in my post, always some token trolls to do the bidding of the Narc who's pulling the strings and right on cue, you two sheep step up and perform with rationalizing. I thought it would take a bit, but Good Lordy, you two echo quickly.

You can be the next Michael the Archangel or Mother Theresa and do all the good works you want. Fact is, deep down, inside whatever is left of a conscience, your HC and AD know that they are cheating and so does the majority of the state's basketball fans that pay attention. Ted Bundy once worked as a 911 operator and helped people out and did good works. In the grand scheme of things, Ted Bundy was a piece of shi$.

Token trolls and homieum is insane work. You’re saying a lot of nothing in these posts. All conjecture.

You good ole boys spew this narrative that black coaches lack morality and equate them as vile people because you don’t like the way they’re winning will forever be why there’s so much hatred and racism in this country.

Thing is, I’m not even defending JM.. I believe they should play up and I know they would if they could. Do your research on Richmond City Schools, they’ve always been small population and played Triple A ball.

 

[Fairlawncat]

Good Lord man, there it is.......LMAO, you went "racist" and laid down the black card? LMAO. Incredible Bo. Bo, "you don't know Didley." Your Coach Ty White, is a cheater, period. He might dude good deeds and that's an honorable thing. He's like most humans. He's flawed, just like you and me. There's the good and the bad, and Ty White's bad side is......he's cheating, period. The reason there is so much racism in this country (LETS Remember YOU brought race into the equation) is because of the foolish ones such as yourself who bring race into every equation when race has nothing to do with it. You know what that means? It means the person that has a problem with race is YOU. I don't care what color your coach is or what religion or sex. He's cheating, period.

You are a special tool. You stated that I was giving conjecture in these posts, lol. No....I'm saying your HC and AD are cheaters. I thought I was fairly clear on that.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

Good Lord man, there it is.......LMAO, you went "racist" and laid down the black card? LMAO. Incredible Bo. Bo, "you don't know Didley." Your Coach Ty White, is a cheater, period. He might dude good deeds and that's an honorable thing. He's like most humans. He's flawed, just like you and me. There's the good and the bad, and Ty White's bad side is......he's cheating, period. The reason there is so much racism in this country (LETS Remember YOU brought race into the equation) is because of the foolish ones such as yourself who bring race into every equation when race has nothing to do with it. You know what that means? It means the person that has a problem with race is YOU. I don't care what color your coach is or what religion or sex. He's cheating, period.

You are a special tool. You stated that I was giving conjecture in these posts, lol. No....I'm saying your HC and AD are cheaters. I thought I was fairly clear on that.

Again, where are your facts? How are they cheaters? Answer that and you’ll get my respect.. You know nothing of what you’re yapping about.

 

[Fairlawncat]

Again, where are your facts? How are they cheaters? Answer that and you’ll get my respect.. You know nothing of what you’re yapping about.

Any person that makes an argument which basically states, "because someone gives critique of JM's Coach, that person has to be a racist" is exactly that, a childlike argument. You can spin it how you want to, but that was and is essentially your argument. So, right off the bat, I know I'm dealing with someone filled with racism and hate. I learned a long time ago, 99% of people that bring race into the equation for any given topic where race is not a factor......is in fact probably a racist.

Number two. Since you grew up and stopped with the geographical "good ole boy" and racist accusations with your most recent post, I will answer your question. By the way, you should have started your initial response in this thread with your most recent post which is ADULT and Smart, and not racist or bigoted. So, credit to you there and actually trying to discuss the topic itself without the personal stuff. As for your question on how they cheat? JM is not doing anything illegal. Legal and Illegal is NOT the standard. Legal vs Illegal are concrete operations. We are big boys, we do Formal Operations which means we take it step further. Is what they are doing Right or Wrong? Is what they are doing creating an unfair advantage to all of the other 99% of schools in Class 2? The answer to that question is YES. If the answer is Yes, that means they are cheating, or if you want to label it nicer, then ok....dishonest. Either way you spin it, it's not a fair playing field for all of the other 99% of schools in Virginia Class 2. And....if it makes you feel better (I know you liberals love "feelings") then I'm not just talking about the "white good ole boy schools" in the western part of Virginia. It's also unfair to the largely African American Schools in Class 2 Virginia. It's simply put, an unfair advantage. The AAU connection is wrong, period. It's led to JMU having a far, far easier access to attain players from outside of the area. Is it legal? Yep, and I never said it wasn't illegal. Is it wrong? Yes, it is. Same thing for Liberty. What they are doing is wrong and shouldn't be allowed. The VHSL should sever the AAU ties and regulate that issue in my opinion and that's where the unfair advantage rests. By the way, you will NEVER argue that it doesn't create an unfair advantage either because you know in fact, it creates a huge advantage for JM. All you can do and all you will do is revert to Concrete Operations (it is legal or illegal). Concrete Operations are 8th grade level thinking. I think you are older than that, so hopefully Formal Operations dominates your brain-space.

Who's been screwed-over more over the years? It's actually not Radford or Gate City or Virginia High. It's actually schools like Greensville County which has a large black population and even Brunswick because Greensville County has probably been the 2nd best Class 2 team in Virginia in 3 or 4 out of the last 7 years, but they are unfortunate enough to play in the East with JM. Greensville County has far more of a claim, concern or right to be upset than any team out west, including Radford. They aren't even getting to play for state titles and then lose to JM, because there has been many years were Greensville was better than Radford, Union, or the team that represented from the West. It's probably the same this year for Greenville as well. Probably the second best Class 2 team in Virginia in my opinion.

The Coach at JM I know has done good things for the community. I've read the articles and I know they are true. No human on earth that I'm aware of has ever denied that. I certainly don't. But, that doesn't justify the improper and unfair advantage they have in their ability to attain players. There is no way on earth that you can argue "it's not possible" for JM to play up in Basketball and have the VHSL make a rule for them to play up in Hoops only. We walked on the moon. We have AI that can reason 10,000 times faster than a human. We have nuclear warheads that can reach China in 25 minutes. Yes, we can easily make it where JM plays in Class 6 in Hoops. And, that's where I lose respect for the JM coach. I lose more respect for him for not begging, pleading, beating down the door to play up in Virginia than I do the unfair recruitment/AAU ties that leads to unfair recruitment.

 

[Hokie1Pokie]

I may not rap an maynot rime but I got sumthin 2 say this time. Dem capital Boyz recrootin from all over cuntry. They cheetin. Gate Ciry cheeted us up down thar yeers back and beavers cheet 2. Cheetin Deddazz!

 

[kwhs95fan]

Ty White is a good man. He could’ve been left to take a big time coaching position, but he’s helping these inner city kids on and off the court.

Not his fault Radford’s coach cried and told his players they may as well not even play before the game 🤣.. Most coward thing I’ve ever heard.

Thing is, John Marshall lost to a team that lost 7 games last week. If C2 fans/coaches would stop moaning and complaining and get their kids prepared to ball, it wouldn’t be such a gap.

That team from New York with 7 losses, has a 6'10 guy, a 6'8, a 6'6, and a 6'5. I don't know much about them, but I'm sure they're not like a typical class 2 school in Virginia.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

Any person that makes an argument which basically states, "because someone gives critique of JM's Coach, that person has to be a racist" is exactly that, a childlike argument. You can spin it how you want to, but that was and is essentially your argument. So, right off the bat, I know I'm dealing with someone filled with racism and hate. I learned a long time ago, 99% of people that bring race into the equation for any given topic where race is not a factor......is in fact probably a racist.

Number two. Since you grew up and stopped with the geographical "good ole boy" and racist accusations with your most recent post, I will answer your question. By the way, you should have started your initial response in this thread with your most recent post which is ADULT and Smart, and not racist or bigoted. So, credit to you there and actually trying to discuss the topic itself without the personal stuff. As for your question on how they cheat? JM is not doing anything illegal. Legal and Illegal is NOT the standard. Legal vs Illegal are concrete operations. We are big boys, we do Formal Operations which means we take it step further. Is what they are doing Right or Wrong? Is what they are doing creating an unfair advantage to all of the other 99% of schools in Class 2? The answer to that question is YES. If the answer is Yes, that means they are cheating, or if you want to label it nicer, then ok....dishonest. Either way you spin it, it's not a fair playing field for all of the other 99% of schools in Virginia Class 2. And....if it makes you feel better (I know you liberals love "feelings") then I'm not just talking about the "white good ole boy schools" in the western part of Virginia. It's also unfair to the largely African American Schools in Class 2 Virginia. It's simply put, an unfair advantage. The AAU connection is wrong, period. It's led to JMU having a far, far easier access to attain players from outside of the area. Is it legal? Yep, and I never said it wasn't illegal. Is it wrong? Yes, it is. Same thing for Liberty. What they are doing is wrong and shouldn't be allowed. The VHSL should sever the AAU ties and regulate that issue in my opinion and that's where the unfair advantage rests. By the way, you will NEVER argue that it doesn't create an unfair advantage either because you know in fact, it creates a huge advantage for JM. All you can do and all you will do is revert to Concrete Operations (it is legal or illegal). Concrete Operations are 8th grade level thinking. I think you are older than that, so hopefully Formal Operations dominates your brain-space.

Who's been screwed-over more over the years? It's actually not Radford or Gate City or Virginia High. It's actually schools like Greensville County which has a large black population and even Brunswick because Greensville County has probably been the 2nd best Class 2 team in Virginia in 3 or 4 out of the last 7 years, but they are unfortunate enough to play in the East with JM. Greensville County has far more of a claim, concern or right to be upset than any team out west, including Radford. They aren't even getting to play for state titles and then lose to JM, because there has been many years were Greensville was better than Radford, Union, or the team that represented from the West. It's probably the same this year for Greenville as well. Probably the second best Class 2 team in Virginia in my opinion.

The Coach at JM I know has done good things for the community. I've read the articles and I know they are true. No human on earth that I'm aware of has ever denied that. I certainly don't. But, that doesn't justify the improper and unfair advantage they have in their ability to attain players. There is not way on earth that you can argue "it's not possible" for JM to play up in Basketball and have the VHSL make a rule for them to play up in Hoops only. We walked on the moon. We have AI that can reason 10,000 times faster than a human. We have nuclear warheads that can reach China in 25 minutes. Yes, we can easily make it where JM plays in Class 6 in Hoops. And, that's where I lose respect for the JM coach. I lose more respect for him for not begging, pleading, beating down the door to play up in Virginia than I do the unfair recruitment/AAU ties that leads to unfair recruitment.

Again, what proof do you or anyone else have that John Marshall is cheating? Conjecture is all you’ve given me

FACT is, do you know how many high school head coaches are coaches on major AAU circuits or have a coach on their high school staff that coach AAU? Stef Welsh (Woodside’s head coach that’s won 2 straight C5 championships) is literally Boo Williams’ 16U head coach and is one of the directors for that prominent AAU program. Is he a cheater too?

Brunswick, Greenville and Thomas Jefferson have all had teams that could’ve won the state championship and didn’t because of John Marshall. I do hate it for those schools and I’ve been on record stating that. I’ve always believed that C1 and C2 were for the rural schools.

 

[Fairlawncat]

I gave you facts. You can label it conjecture, but your label doesn't make it a non-fact. The AAU connection creates an unfair recruiting advantage which is simply unfair. Yes, Welsh is cheating and has an unfair advantage because of the AAU connection. I told you the AAU connection is the problem and have said it on here for years. I played at William and Mary and knew Boo Williams. I use to fish with Boo Williams down at Buckroe Beach and nail Croakers. My great uncle is the former coach of Hampton High. You Assume anyone from outside of Richmond doesn't know what they are talking about. That's what true "conjecture" is.

My turn to ask a question. Are you arguing that the AAU connection JMs coach has offers no competitive advantage? It's a form of cheating. Legal? Yes. But unfair? You know it gives them a competitive advantage.

AAU connections shouldn't be allowed and private schools with unlimited resources like Liberty shouldn't be playing public....unless they too, play up in Class 5 or 6. Liberty is also....cheating in my opinion.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

I gave you facts. You can label it conjecture, but your label doesn't make it a non-fact. The AAU connection creates an unfair recruiting advantage which is simply unfair. Yes, Welsh is cheating and has an unfair advantage because of the AAU connection. I told you the AAU connection is the problem and have said it on here for years. I played at William and Mary and knew Boo Williams. I use to fish with Boo Williams down at Buckroe Beach and nail Croakers. My great uncle is the former coach of Hampton High. You Assume anyone from outside of Richmond doesn't know what they are talking about. That's what true "conjecture" is.

My turn to ask a question. Are you arguing that the AAU connection JMs coach has offers no competitive advantage? It's a form of cheating. Legal? Yes. But unfair? You know it gives them a competitive advantage.

AAU connections shouldn't be allowed and private schools with unlimited resources like Liberty shouldn't be playing public....unless they too, play up in Class 5 or 6. Liberty is also....cheating in my opinion.

1. I don’t assume anyone outside of Richmond is anything. I’m from little old Danville and I lived in Radford. My family’s from Christiansburg and Martinsville. I’m a proud product of SWVA.

2. You and I have two ideas on what’s cheating. John Marshall isn’t some pop up shop school who’s only been good because of Ty White. Ty White took over for Frank Threatts who coached JM for decades and almost beat Allen Iverson back in 93 in the state title. JM played up for years and even today, it’s the smallest traditional high school in Richmond City. Not saying Team Loaded doesn’t play a factor in kids coming to JM but JM’s zone pulls from Downtown Richmond and Northside (Ginter Park/Brook Road cooridor which is really nice and not as expensive) and it’s not a stretch that they are getting these transfers in and they are legit moves. I’ve worked in RPS and their residency compliance office is on it, as is Henrico’s.

3. I have no problem with the AAU connections. One of my good friends was a 16U head coach for Team Charlotte (Steph Curry’s AAU team) and an assistant at Myers Park for years and years. They won it all in 2023 with 4 D1 players, tried to run it back in 2024 but was beaten by a team full of neighborhood boys. I’m old school and don’t believe in any of that 3, 4, and 5 star shit! You lace yours up like I lace mine up and never preached any of that “they recruit” stuff to my kids.

3. Private and charter schools are allowed to compete against public’s in NC and I’m hearing they’ll allow charter schools to have their own brackets. You truly only see a difference in the lower classifications. Charlotte Catholic (private school that participates in NCHSAA) gets their ass whipped by the 4A schools in NC. I believe LCA should be playing C4 ball and JM’s basketball team should be C3 or C4.

4. I always go back to that Northside team that beat JM when they had Isiah Todd(#1 player in America) and Greg Jones. John Marshall has had way better teams than this years and been beaten in the past. We gotta stop making excuses for these kids in C2 and go beat them.

 

[MCAthletics]

1. I don’t assume anyone outside of Richmond is anything. I’m from little old Danville and I lived in Radford. My family’s from Christiansburg and Martinsville. I’m a proud product of SWVA.

2. You and I have two ideas on what’s cheating. John Marshall isn’t some pop up shop school who’s only been good because of Ty White. Ty White took over for Frank Threatts who coached JM for decades and almost beat Allen Iverson back in 93 in the state title. JM played up for years and even today, it’s the smallest traditional high school in Richmond City. Not saying Team Loaded doesn’t play a factor in kids coming to JM but JM’s zone pulls from Downtown Richmond and Northside (Ginter Park/Brook Road cooridor which is really nice and not as expensive) and it’s not a stretch that they are getting these transfers in and they are legit moves. I’ve worked in RPS and their residency compliance office is on it, as is Henrico’s.

3. I have no problem with the AAU connections. One of my good friends was a 16U head coach for Team Charlotte (Steph Curry’s AAU team) and an assistant at Myers Park for years and years. They won it all in 2023 with 4 D1 players, tried to run it back in 2024 but was beaten by a team full of neighborhood boys. I’m old school and don’t believe in any of that 3, 4, and 5 star shit! You lace yours up like I lace mine up and never preached any of that “they recruit” stuff to my kids.

3. Private and charter schools are allowed to compete against public’s in NC and I’m hearing they’ll allow charter schools to have their own brackets. You truly only see a difference in the lower classifications. Charlotte Catholic (private school that participates in NCHSAA) gets their ass whipped by the 4A schools in NC. I believe LCA should be playing C4 ball and JM’s basketball team should be C3 or C4.

4. I always go back to that Northside team that beat JM when they had Isiah Todd(#1 player in America) and Greg Jones. John Marshall has had way better teams than this years and been beaten in the past. We gotta stop making excuses for these kids in C2 and go beat them.

You seem knowledgeable on JM basketball so,

How many JM players don’t actually attend JM? How many attend another school in the Richmond area but play for JM?

 

[BoKnowsSports]

You seem knowledgeable on JM basketball so,

How many JM players don’t actually attend JM? How many attend another school in the Richmond area but play for JM?

In Richmond City, kids have to get into a lottery and if they are accepted, they can attend Community High School, Open High School or Franklin Military Academy. That student can still play for Armstrong, Wythe, Huguenot, Tee Jay or John Marshall, AS LONG AS Wythe, Armstrong, Marshall, etc is their zoned school. They do have open enrollment but RPS is very anal on their zones and the the only traditional or comprehensive high school that really gets students from all over the city is Tee Jay because they offer the IB program.

Not sure for the team this year but I do know that 2020 State Player of the Year Jason Nelson went to Open High School and played for JM. Travis Mckie (2009 grad; had a darn good career at Wake Forest) graduated from Community High School and played at John Marshall.

 

[MCAthletics]

In Richmond City, kids have to get into a lottery and if they are accepted, they can attend Community High School, Open High School or Franklin Military Academy. That student can still play for Armstrong, Wythe, Huguenot, Tee Jay or John Marshall, AS LONG AS Wythe, Armstrong, Marshall, etc is their zoned school. They do have open enrollment but RPS is very anal on their zones and the the only traditional or comprehensive high school that really gets students from all over the city is Tee Jay because they offer the IB program.

Not sure for the team this year but I do know that 2020 State Player of the Year Jason Nelson went to Open High School and played for JM. Travis Mckie (2009 grad; had a darn allygood career at Wake Forest) graduated from Community High School and played at John Marshall.

Thank you for the response. So open enrollment and players don’t have to actually attend JM to play for JM. Got it.

Oh, another question. Does Adidas sponsor just Team Loaded or do they also sponsor the JM high school basketball team? Thanks in advance for your response.

 

[Fairlawncat]

I have no problem with what White is doing legally and if I were in his shoes, I can assure you I would do the Exact same thing. I've written that on here maybe 15 times in the last 3 years. As for White personally, I've never questioned what he does for the community and kids. I do think he is cheating along with the AD and the VHSL for allowing JM's unfair advantage due to AAU connection which makes it easier to obtain players from outside of the area, not just the greater Richmond area, but literally outside of the state in some circumstances. Does it make White a monster? Is he going to the deepest darkest pits of Hell? Does it make him a "bad" person? No, it doesn't. Is what he's doing legal? Yes, it is. I never have questioned this stuff. The two issues I have is that the VHSL needs to stop the AAU connection stuff. Put a rule in place where you can't coach HS or Junior High if you are an AAU coach. That fixes the problem. If I were White and in his position, I would do the exact same thing. But is it a form of cheating in my opinion? Yes. Cheating can be a strong word. I get that. If not cheating, a form of dishonesty or unfair advantage compared to all of the other Class 2 schools in Virginia? Yes, it's an unfair advantage.

The second knock I have on White and this is the biggest because as I stated, I would do the same thing above if in his situation, so would that mean I'm technically cheating or complicit with an unfair advantage? Yes, it would, and I would do it, but I can tell you what I wouldn't do. I wouldn't be in Class 2. Just my competitive nature and I would be beating down the door of the VHSL to play Class 5 or 6. I get it regarding Class 6 because most of those are in the Southside (Hampton Roads) and NOVA, but for the love of God, at least Class 5. The perfect mix is JM/Richmond open enrollment/AAU connection and JM isn't alone. Lots of states have similar issues with schools that are in larger metro areas that have open enrollment (which is fine, I have no problem with that) and they have AAU connections, so they are able to pull EASILY the very best that urban-metro area has to offer. It's unfair to the other schools and not just rural schools, but unfair to schools in other metro areas that don't have open enrollment, but more important, they don't necessarily have an AAU connection to go with the open enrollment.

The above opinion is not a "wacko" or crazy take. I've spoke to several fans across the state over the years who feel the same. Do I blame the 17 year old kid playing at JM? Of course not. He has nothing to do with it. Do I blame the students or fans? Of course not. What needs to be mentioned here is credit due. White has built the AAU program there and he has put in lots of work to have JM in the situation it is in. It didn't just "fall into his lap." You have to have solid leadership skills and have solid basketball knowledge and people skills to make it work and he has all of that. But, with all of the above written, JM, just like Liberty, has an unfair advantage when you compare them to all of the other schools in their same classifications. This is all I'm saying and basically all I've ever said about JM.

 

[2up2downNole]

Thank you for the response. So open enrollment and players don’t have to actually attend JM to play for JM. Got it.

Oh, another question. Does Adidas sponsor just Team Loaded or do they also sponsor the JM high school basketball team? Thanks in advance for your response.

They are lots of school systems in the state that share alternative, tech/trade and governors schools where kids attend those but still play at there base zoned school. This isn't a richmond only thing.

 

[2up2downNole]

I have no problem with what White is doing legally and if I were in his shoes, I can assure you I would do the Exact same thing. I've written that on here maybe 15 times in the last 3 years. As for White personally, I've never questioned what he does for the community and kids. I do think he is cheating along with the AD and the VHSL for allowing JM's unfair advantage due to AAU connection which makes it easier to obtain players from outside of the area, not just the greater Richmond area, but literally outside of the state in some circumstances. Does it make White a monster? Is he going to the deepest darkest pits of Hell? Does it make him a "bad" person? No, it doesn't. Is what he's doing legal? Yes, it is. I never have questioned this stuff. The two issues I have is that the VHSL needs to stop the AAU connection stuff. Put a rule in place where you can't coach HS or Junior High if you are an AAU coach. That fixes the problem. If I were White and in his position, I would do the exact same thing. But is it a form of cheating in my opinion? Yes. Cheating can be a strong word. I get that. If not cheating, a form of dishonesty or unfair advantage compared to all of the other Class 2 schools in Virginia? Yes, it's an unfair advantage.

The second knock I have on White and this is the biggest because as I stated, I would do the same thing above if in his situation, so would that mean I'm technically cheating or complicit with an unfair advantage? Yes, it would, and I would do it, but I can tell you what I wouldn't do. I wouldn't be in Class 2. Just my competitive nature and I would be beating down the door of the VHSL to play Class 5 or 6. I get it regarding Class 6 because most of those are in the Southside (Hampton Roads) and NOVA, but for the love of God, at least Class 5. The perfect mix is JM/Richmond open enrollment/AAU connection and JM isn't alone. Lots of states have similar issues with schools that are in larger metro areas that have open enrollment (which is fine, I have no problem with that) and they have AAU connections, so they are able to pull EASILY the very best that urban-metro area has to offer. It's unfair to the other schools and not just rural schools, but unfair to schools in other metro areas that don't have open enrollment, but more important, they don't necessarily have an AAU connection to go with the open enrollment.

The above opinion is not a "wacko" or crazy take. I've spoke to several fans across the state over the years who feel the same. Do I blame the 17 year old kid playing at JM? Of course not. He has nothing to do with it. Do I blame the students or fans? Of course not. What needs to be mentioned here is credit due. White has built the AAU program there and he has put in lots of work to have JM in the situation it is in. It didn't just "fall into his lap." You have to have solid leadership skills and have solid basketball knowledge and people skills to make it work and he has all of that. But, with all of the above written, JM, just like Liberty, has an unfair advantage when you compare them to all of the other schools in their same classifications. This is all I'm saying and basically all I've ever said about JM.

There are many programs all over the state 1-6 and many in the same area that have a coach on there staff that is also coaching in a AAU program. That has been a very common thing for many years. Not saying all the schools get transfers like that but there are many high school coaches with ties to AAU ball.

 

[MCAthletics]

They are lots of school systems in the state that share alternative, tech/trade and governors schools where kids attend those but still play at there base zoned school. This isn't a richmond only thing.

Such as? I’d be curious as to how many of these other systems get multiple 4-5 star transfers, especially for a specific sport.

Still curious about if Adidas also sponsors the JM high school basketball team as well as Team Loaded.

 

[Fairlawncat]

There are many programs all over the state 1-6 and many in the same area that have a coach on there staff that is also coaching in a AAU program. That has been a very common thing for many years. Not saying all the schools get transfers like that but there are many high school coaches with ties to AAU ball.

I know. There are many programs across the entire country, not just Virginia, that have an AAU Coach on their staff and I know, it's been done for many years. Women and African-Americans couldn't vote for decades upon decades, until they rightfully could. Now I know, AAU coaches on HS staffs and voting rights are obviously not in the same realm of the level of serious issues for humanity and voting rights outweighs an AAU coach issue by a million fold, but the point I'm making is.......because something is common practice, routine, and has been that way for many years doesn't automatically make it right.

If you are an AAU coach, in my opinion, you shouldn't be a junior high or high school coach and I wish the VHSL would insert that and make it a rule. I'm a capitalist and I hope the AAU coach makes a million dollars per year. White makes well over a hundred thousand and probably closer to 250K and I think he deserves every bit of it. I don't care about an AAU cosch getting paid big bucks. More power to them, but my opinion is based on weighing in favor of the other 99 percent of schools that do not have that added advantage in their ability to attain players.

 

[SportsJunkie32]

The world is not an even playing field. Maybe it teaches the kids at Radford or Greensville that going out and giving your best and being true to your values and those that care about you outweighs, what’s “fair”. My grandmother use to say, “the only thing “fair” is ferris wheels and cotton candy”. I guess y’all are outraged that inner city schools lack many resources that other schools around VA dont lack and you want the “playing field” to be even as well. Give me a break…

 

[Fairlawncat]

The world is not an even playing field. Maybe it teaches the kids at Radford or Greensville that going out and giving your best and being true to your values and those that care about you outweighs, what’s “fair”. My grandmother use to say, “the only thing “fair” is ferris wheels and cotton candy”. I guess y’all are outraged that inner city schools lack many resources that other schools around VA dont lack and you want the “playing field” to be even as well. Give me a break…

LOL, yoir grandmother and that generation were correct, but they weren't talking about Allowing Unfair Opportunity. They were referring to Unfair/Unequal outcomes which is a part of life. You are getting the two mixed up.

The world is Not Fair regarding Outcomes and that is a part of life and we should Never try to regulate or fix or "make equal." Some will win, some will lose, some will be on the middle and that is an unfairness or inequality we all accept and it is a part of life from the times of cavemen to present, But..........

Opportunity and Outcomes aren't the same 2 things. We absolutely Do and Should try to fix, regulate, and make fair the Opportunities that players, schools, and teams have Prior To whatever Outcome that occurs. The outcome or results are whatever the people/team do with it as to doing good, doing bad, or somewhere in between, but most agree that teams should have the same or somewhat close Opportunity. Auto racing car weights, NFL football helmet size and air pressure in the football are all examples of where we try to make the Opportunity Equal. We also accept that with the above Opportunites somewhat equal or close to equal, we still get unequal or unfair results such as the KC Chiefs or Tom Brady who dominates and skews results but we accept that because it's a part of life.

Appo in football 6 titles over a short time. They were so good that is pretty much wasn't fair
in one sense because the outcome of those playoffs were skewed and almost a given that Appo was winning. But, what Appo did was completely fair because every other Class 2 school in VA had a similar opportunity to be like Appo. To put it another way, Appo did not have an unfair or special advantage in opportunity (before the titles occurred). See the difference? JM does have an Unfair Opportunity. They have an advantage over 99 percent of the other Class 2 Hoops schools that occurs Before the outcome occurs. That's know as dishonest or cheating or "asterisk."

Your final argument basically states, JM is an under funded inner city school, so it's OK if they have an unfair advantage. I think that is a foolish argument

 

[Truther]

What do the basketball state champs have in common with the state football champs?

They only win because of the kids they bring in from other schools…

At least the basketball champs’ players live in Virginia and not out of state 🤯

Y’all get so worked up over basketball.., keep the same energy for football!!!

 

[MCAthletics]

The world is not an even playing field. Maybe it teaches the kids at Radford or Greensville that going out and giving your best and being true to your values and those that care about you outweighs, what’s “fair”. My grandmother use to say, “the only thing “fair” is ferris wheels and cotton candy”. I guess y’all are outraged that inner city schools lack many resources that other schools around VA dont lack and you want the “playing field” to be even as well. Give me a break…

What it teaches is that it’s “okay” to go get multiple 4-5 stars via transfer every year; and the heck with most of the actual local JM kids who have little to no shot at playing due to the transfers coming in yearly.

And that it’s okay to game the VHSL system that everyone else (except LCA) plays by because the VHSL turns a blind eye. Give me a break…

When the JM staff take actual, homegrown kids, and win something, then they will have actually accomplished something of merit. Shoot, I’d win the public school state championship with the transfer talent they get now and I can’t coach.

 

[MCAthletics]

What do the basketball state champs have in common with the state football champs?

They only win because of the kids they bring in from other schools…

At least the basketball champs’ players live in Virginia and not out of state 🤯

Y’all get so worked up over basketball.., keep the same energy for football!!!

This isn’t about basketball per se. It’s about a public school being used as a cover for a private school type program. Doesn’t matter the sport.

There has been many complaints about LCA, mainly football, but all their programs in general.

The Hayfield football “scandal” was widely criticized. Just play by the rules, or at least the spirit of the rules, and all will be good.

 

[SportsJunkie32]

If a player moves into the zone to play for JM it’s legal, period. What you all are caught up in is your “feelings”, and try to manipulate your words to make it a scandal. If a lawyer uses a loophole to win a case, it’s not cheating, it’s strategic. The “spirit”, the way you want it to be, is irrelevant. Since we’re using football analogies, is Georgia football cheating because they can offer more NIL money than William & Mary? In the spirit of fair play, shouldn’t it be a level playing field?

 

[SportsJunkie32]

And I’m not a “JM” guy, I’m from the 75… but bemoaning all this cheating and not fair crap is weak. Just like JM should/could sit out, so can any other team come March…

 

[BoKnowsSports]

Such as? I’d be curious as to how many of these other systems get multiple 4-5 star transfers, especially for a specific sport.

Still curious about if Adidas also sponsors the JM high school basketball team as well as Team Loaded.

Highland Springs is sponsored by Nike as Bethel is sponsored by Reebox and Wilmington Laney is sponsored by Jordan.. Both JM’s basketball teams (girls and boys) wear Adidas.

 

[EPJr]

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