King William 90 king and queen 18
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I agree gw16. Come on guys, 90 points on a struggling team. I'm all for letting the subs play some and all but call off the dogs, I mean dang...
I'm proud of you kqtiger05 for posting, always positive and classy, my friend.
I'm proud of you kqtiger05 for posting, always positive and classy, my friend.
I have no idea, but there was a huge discussion last week after Appo beat Chatham 80-8.
I HOPE the KW staff exercised good judgement. Running clock and it still ended like this?
I HOPE the KW staff exercised good judgement. Running clock and it still ended like this?
I have not seen this King and Queen team play recently, but sometimes there is nothing you can do. Essex beat Northampton(13 players on the team) in 2012 by 89 to 0 and it didn't mattered who was in the game for Essex. I think the play clock guy shorten the 3rd quarter by 7 minutes, and Essex took a knee on an extra point. The schedule needs to be changed if they don't want these scores. The King William coach has come out and said he must work on his team the game before the playoffs and I can't blame him. They have to be clicking on all cylinders to make a run. Move King and Queen up on the schedule and play West Point last, since they seemed to give them all they wanted last week.
I know there was a post on Appo last week and I defended them but this kind of stuff is the reason I no longer associate with KW and the only time I've seen them play in the last 3 years is when they have played Essex. I obviously wasn't at the game tonight but going by the KW Facebook page the starting qb scored the TD to put them up 68-12. Yes it was still the 2nd quarter but with the playoffs next week why is he even still in there? Looks like a couple of TDs were scored by linemen and one by a backup rb and the last 3 was a FG. Nothing proven by beating a KQ team that only has about 20 or so players to begin with. In the past when I've been critical of them running the score up I've gotten crappy messages from members of the coaching staff and may this time as well but oh well. I call it as I see it. Nothing but respect for the young men of KW as they truly are good kids and are only doing what they are told. Also tons of respect for the young men of KQ who stuck it out this year and never gave up. I hope that program gets turned around. There is athletes on the team and in the school. Back in 1987 they were in the midst of a 35 game losing streak and by 1990 they were state champs. It happened once and it can happen again
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If you get crappy messages (do you mean emails?), then re-post them on here so we can all see what goes on in the minds of that bunch.
Thanks kwhs95 I was curious as I was not able to make the game! And I love how you speak your mind on things. And as far as scheduling there has been many times we have tried not to play King William but being as they are in the district we are expected to play them and to change the schedule around would mean revamp the whole district schedule. I'm proud of my Royal Tigers for the ones that stuck around and hope they keep fighting and come back strong next year like I said this hurts the morale of the school and team! But if they stick to it and work hard their time will come as kwhs fan has said!
Thats what I mean with scheduling, you guys are forced to play them. I never liked the idea of mixed districts and this is one example of how silly the concept is. K&Q playing Rapphannock County makes sense, being forced to play KW does not.
The coaching staff at King and Queen has done a wonderful job this year First year, Coach Ron Davison is a phenomenal coach and knows football and the team respects him, tough season for the Royal Tigers but expect them to work hard this off season and hopefully turn some heads next year.
Kqtiger05 you are welcome. I can be outspoken on a lot of issues and may not always come out sounding the best but I am very passionate about all of the youth in the area and truly care. It killed me not being able to coach somewhere this year and God willing I will be somewhere again next year
Middlesex 70 K&Q 0
CC 68 K&Q 0
West Point 75 K&Q 0
Last 3 games before the King William game. At least they scored 18 against KIng William.
CC 68 K&Q 0
West Point 75 K&Q 0
Last 3 games before the King William game. At least they scored 18 against KIng William.
@kqtiger05 didn't you say a couple of weeks ago that you guys were fielding a really young team this year?
Hopefully the coaches can use this to build off of, make it a point of "NEVER AGAIN".
I'm a Cav, through and through and I know crazy lopsided scores happen every weekend. As an outsider it's easier to just say WOW and move on, but when you are a fan of that team, it's a source of embarrassment. At least for me. Nothing positive comes out of a win like this for KW, pad some stats?
The VHSL still wants to maintain "district" schedules, Scores like this make great arguments against that. Best of luck to you and your kids next year and I hope that your health continues to improve. The kids need good guys on the sideline like you.
Hopefully the coaches can use this to build off of, make it a point of "NEVER AGAIN".
I'm a Cav, through and through and I know crazy lopsided scores happen every weekend. As an outsider it's easier to just say WOW and move on, but when you are a fan of that team, it's a source of embarrassment. At least for me. Nothing positive comes out of a win like this for KW, pad some stats?
The VHSL still wants to maintain "district" schedules, Scores like this make great arguments against that. Best of luck to you and your kids next year and I hope that your health continues to improve. The kids need good guys on the sideline like you.
Yeah mine was health related as well. Never stopped watching film though and am always studying year round anyways. I will just let God lead me to where I belong at next!!
Great point....
With the Victors, come the spoils and the HATERS. When you are on top for decades, people like to take shots.
The problem here is 90 points has a much larger shock value than 75, 70 and 68. And it's KW.
Yes King and Queen is very young granted there where 8 seniors but some joined late in the season and some never played football before ! Only 2 seniors where returning and the starting QB got hurt I think in the West Point game I believe and hasn't played since. Majority of this team were Freshman and Sophmores! I like the quote may have to use that next year
Oh!!! I know you didn't say anything bad about KW. I just know the grief that we have taken over the years, my comment was more generalized and not directed at anyone in particular. The Black N Gold from Central Garage have been wearing a bulls eye on their backs since the very early 80's.
I agree 100 percent with you , I have the upmost respect for King William and the coaching staff there. No complaints from me! All of these scores are terrible I went to one of these games which I will not name and that team left a lot of starters in the whole game! Again I was not at the King William game so I am not sure what happened I only posted the score lol
Football is a sport that we never what the final outcome will be, not even after the
Final whistle has blown. Yes, there are scoreboards, but there is also character, something
That we as humans can not measure by numbers. As the years go by, lessons will be
Learned, by both teams. Character is measured by not how much we win by, but
By how we accept Defeat, or Victory.
It is the bigger man that stays on the field and shakes the hand of his opponent that just
Demoralized him and his teammates. In the years to come, those lessons will be handed
Down to our children about how to win or lose with class, and more importantly, how to deal
With those that lack a personal trait that defines an individual and a team.
Final whistle has blown. Yes, there are scoreboards, but there is also character, something
That we as humans can not measure by numbers. As the years go by, lessons will be
Learned, by both teams. Character is measured by not how much we win by, but
By how we accept Defeat, or Victory.
It is the bigger man that stays on the field and shakes the hand of his opponent that just
Demoralized him and his teammates. In the years to come, those lessons will be handed
Down to our children about how to win or lose with class, and more importantly, how to deal
With those that lack a personal trait that defines an individual and a team.
King and Queen has always had a bullseye from everyone for many years don't know how long, but everyone hated us and looked to slaughter us whoever beat us would run the score up. Lol Not sure why always been curious as to this but man when I played at king and queen it was rough some games but physical football
KQ was the first school from out this way to win a state title if I'm not mistaken. Remember that game like it was yesterday even though I was in the 8th grade. Remember a lot of KW guys there that day cheering on KQ. Was also my first experience with the awesomeness of the fans of far SWVA. Those JI Burton fans were there in full force
Being an Ole goat from SWVA, I thank you for the compliment. You folks from Eastern
Virginia love your football too, and the folks I met over the years from Eastern Virginia
Are good people, and have a great deal of Pride in being from the East.
What makes us all special is our love for our children, our communities, our schools, our
Friends, and our Faith. The total combination of that produces one heck of a person, and
When you get a bunch of them together, well, you got one heck of a classy group of people,
That is you, My Friends from Eastern Virginia.
Best of luck folks, from way out West.............
Virginia love your football too, and the folks I met over the years from Eastern Virginia
Are good people, and have a great deal of Pride in being from the East.
What makes us all special is our love for our children, our communities, our schools, our
Friends, and our Faith. The total combination of that produces one heck of a person, and
When you get a bunch of them together, well, you got one heck of a classy group of people,
That is you, My Friends from Eastern Virginia.
Best of luck folks, from way out West.............
I met a bunch of great people from Haysi a couple years ago when they played Essex and keep in contact with about 7 or 8 of them through Facebook still. Would like to make a visit out there to see them at some point
King William should be playing New Kent, Bruton, Poquoson, and maybe some of the small Richmond schools, not teams like K&Q. I get that there is a historical connection, but KW is now nearly four times larger than K&Q.
They have to play according to the VHSL because they are in the same district. Something should be done though as KW hasn't lost a district game in 8 years and historically it's hurt them in their playoff seeding. In the Tidewater District KW has around 670 students where KQ has less than 200 and all the other schools in the district are less than 300 I believe with Mathews possibly being the exception but even they are way below KWs numbers. KW has played Bruton the last couple of years losing last year and winning this year. Bruton however has only that one win in 2 years. Also they've always played Caroline who has been down for awhile although Caroline did beat KW this year. They had been playing New Kent up until the last cycle. Not sure why that stopped. Not sure which teams will be in the next cycle beginning next year. Several teams this year had KW on the ropes in the district this year but couldn't pull it out. Charles City led them by 15 before losing by 8 and WP just had a slugfest with them last week. But scores like this one are why I'm not a huge fan of mixing districts but when there is only 4 teams from the old Region A who are 2A and 2 of them are on the Eastern Shore I honestly don't know what district they could go to other than the NND but they too are all 1A schools although they are historically better in football than the Tidewater and KW has been a member of the NND several times in the past. Can't say I know the honest solution
My point, and I think we are in agreement, is that KW needs to be in a different district. It should have KW, New Kent, Bruton, and Poquoson (they are dropping to 2A next year). Other teams could be either smaller 3A teams from the Bay Rivers and/or W&L, Essex.
I would like to say I did hear from a couple of KW parents who I am friends with and the KW starters were pulled rather early and everyone got a chance to play. Just wanted to put that out there since I was critical in a couple earlier posts.
I don't know what transpired here but I understand it was 75-12 at halftime. KW hung 77 and 71 on K&Q in their two prior meetings. From what I've heard about K&Q, their kids are young and have little to no football instincts. They were probably fielding a team that should've been playing a JV schedule. They did that some years back due to a lack of varsity numbers.
I agree! If some teams want to keep the local game of the year, bragging rights game, for gate ($$$$) consideration. Carry on. But the VHSL wanting to maintain the old Districts, kind of defeats the entire purpose of splitting into 6 Divisions. It's time to move on from the old way. We don't have "District Champs" anymore. Everyone is playing for a playoff spot.
I've read where some AD's have stated that they wanted to keep the feel of the old district layout in tact....accurate? Maybe. Or, do the AD's not want to deal with fielding and negotiating a fresh 10 game schedule every 2 or 4 years? I don't buy the travel argument. If you're playing a 1A or 2A schedule, travel will always be an issue. ALWAYS.
I never understood why once they no longer crowned district champions why they are forced to play a district schedule. Plus having some districts with 1A, 2A and 3A in it doesn't make sense to me. I guess it's to cut down on travel expenses but come postseason those higher level schools are affected because they don't have the power points because they're playing at least 4 or 5 schools who are a smaller classification than them.
FYI - Im not disagreeing with the premise of anyone's argument but they do still give district championship trophies to regular season winners.
yes they do, and KW has won the Tidewater probably 33 out of the last 35 years. So, I agree, its time for them to move on just as New Kent did. Why they don't play each other is beyond me.
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New Kent only has one free game per year. New Kent chose Colonial Heights because of two reasons: A- Colonial Heights is 3A and gives them more points, and B- Colonial Heights is a rebuilding program as well like New Kent was. Look at the last matchups King William had with Colonial Heights and you can see that New Kent was slaughtered.
As far as "districts" are concerned, when Conferences came out they became irrelevant. However, you have some people who want to keep them. For example, I'l give you the Tidewater District. Why choose an all-district team and then have an all-conference team because one team isn't in the conference?
Tidewater District Teams
Charles City
King & Queen
Mathews
Middlesex
West Point
King William
Carver Academy
Conference 42 Teams
Charles City
King & Queen
Mathews
Middlesex
West Point
Cumberland
Central Lunenburg
Carver Academy
See what I mean? There is a district meeting this week to choose "all-district" teams and then one for "all conference teams."
Next year Conferences are dissolved and then it's back to districts again. So I guess my point above will be irrelevant in the future.
King William has won 16 of the last 25 Tidewater District championships. And, the reason teams play district schedules is to help fill schedules. Remember it's not all about football. Some schools would have difficulty playing a full season of games in baseball, softball, volleyball if not for district games.
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