Football could easily be treated different for competion purposes. As far as KW winning the district 16-25, I think that includes the years they were not part of the district. I maintain they should move on to a more competitive schedule, but we all know they won't do that because they enjoy doing things like they just did against KQ
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It should be treated differently. Football is the money maker. No one cares how many states a school has won in say, golf, or jump rope or whatever.. but mention football and ears perk up!
I believe the reason they pick an all district team is because the conference KW is in does not select an all-conference team which makes sense since that particular conference only has 2 or 3 actual conference games. I know KW plays W&L and Bruton. W&L plays KW. That's it as far as I know
"ENJOY"?
Suuuuuuuuurrrrrreeeee.....the district schedule they maintain is directed by the VHSL. Their student enrollment numbers keep them in the 2A bracket. Geographic location has been the issue for KW, that and the fact that Coach Brookes built a program that created a winners attitude and legacy. 16-25, so some teams were better than the Cavs in 9 of those years. If they were running out and pounding every team in the Tidewater by 60 points every year I could see an "issue". But, we have what we have. At the end of the day, we have 1 State Championship. Playing in a historically weak and small district hasn't done them any favors.
And unlike ANY of the other high school sports, the gate at home football games supports the rest of schools athletic programs, for the most part.
They could apply to change districts if they were so inclined, but like I said, they enjoy beating schools with half their enrollment. And that is why they only have 1 championship. They play a pansie schedule by 2A standards every year. Brookes? Anybody could win with the talent he had and the numbers playing schools half their size.
In case you didn't know before Brookes was at KW they were a laughingstock. He IS KW football. And there were times when other teams had their runs in the Tidewater such as Sussex in the early 90s and New Kent in the late 90s. Even West Point won a district title in 98 or 99. Yes there has been lots of talent that has come through KW and maybe another title or two could have been won but you don't have all the wins he had over the years without being a good coach. Also in case you didn't know he's actually a West Point high school graduate.
What district would you recommend? What district in their area would support an entire 2A based district? Battlefield (4A & 3A) Bay Rivers (4A, 3A and 2A) that comes with MAJOR travel time, not to mention they are already 10 deep.
ANYBODY? HaHa....I'll save my REAL thoughts about that bro....you're just angry. Angry about what? I'm not sure....but see this is more of that "hating on KW" that I spoke of Friday night. Thanks for cosigning...
Just curious of what district do you think they should apply to? The NND who is all 1A or maybe the Capital District since they have Hanover schools or hell maybe they could apply to join the Eastern Shore District since that's the only district in the old Region A that has any other 2A schools. It's not as easy as you think to just apply for a new district. Trust me they'd rather play a tougher schedule because maybe then they'd get a higher seed than 10th. Not their fault they're the biggest school in the area
As a WP alumni I'm well aware of Brookes and his accomplishments. And I know he is held in high respect in KW and he was actually just inducted into the WPHS sports hall of fame for what thats worth. I am not knocking his legacy, but I am not all that impressed with it.
Well he has left his stamp not only on a football program but so many lives of young men as well. When the field was dedicated to him a few years ago there were well over 100 or so ex players who walked onto that field with him. Ask anybody in the state about the double wing offense and the first thing most will think of is Roger Brookes and KW football. If that's not leaving a legacy then I don't know what one is
Says the WP Alum, whose football team hasn't seen a state championship caliber team since the 1960's...with maybe the exception of 1984, Derwin Cox, ALSO a former Coach Brookes disciple, had a really nice football team that year. OH, and then there was the Ben Vincent led teams. I can't forget to give him a shout out. Chris is pretty proud of that young man, as he should be...
I honestly can't knock WP, because for YEARS they showed up with 15-20 varsity players and left it all on the field. They've had some very good coaches come through, Fulks (there's a Brookes connection there also), Derwin Cox (aforementioned), Lacy Norman (not all would agree with me, but.....) My mom went to WP WITH Coach Brookes, damn near all of my cousins in town did. Some played on those teams that were championship caliber in the 60's and I played against a bunch of really good friends in the early to mid 80's.
Like it or not, and obviously you don't have to agree, that's your choice, Coach Roger Brookes has had a tremendous impact on the high school football scene in the Tidewater. And ask around the state, most coaches will speak WILDLY in favor of the man.
I appreciate your opinion, honestly I do, but I think your disdain for KW may be clouding your judgement about the mans accomplishments.
If you lived in WP and had to pay taxes to KW you would hate them as well. They are constantly trying to manipulate our town. They mismanage their funds and we end up bailing them out. We basically paid for their nice new Brookes stadium, since they defaulted on their loan. As far as competion is concerned, if KW was really interested in laying a tougher schedule they would have done what Essex did, and scheduled some toguher out of district games to make up for their weak district schedule.
I played for Cox and Norman, who was in my parents wedding. Again, I am not knocking his legacy as I know he has great respect among his peers and players, as well he should. But when probably 75% of your victories come against schools with half of the amount of kids, have you really done something special? Not in my opinion
WOW, the county BoS, which was largely displaced the last election might I add, made some missteps along the way and Coach Brookes was responsible for their financial ineptness? Obviously the man wielded more power than I realized. Let's talk about all of the years that KW provided the town with police protection, prior to WP taking over their policing matters. Let's talk about KW's budgeting and providing for the WP public schools before they took it over on their own. Who's responsible for the insanely high water bills in WP today? KW BoS? Last time I checked, my parents house was still on a well, special thanks to Kenny Kraut for replacing it a few years back....
Are you trying to tell me that your dislike for Coach Brookes revolves around the KW BoS? Interesting.
Guess this would explain the ticker tape parades the week after the Pointers beat the Cavaliers.
I never said I did not like him. I am just not impressed with his record. Simple as that. Its just a matter of opinion.My disdain for KW has nothing to do with Brookes. And it's spelled Krout lol
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And fair enough, I suppose you can respect someone but not be impressed with their accomplishments. If he had coached at WP for all of those years and amassed all of those wins, there would be a bronze statue in front of the mill! LOL! You know it's true...
LOL! It is Krout, thanks for the correction!
And fair enough, I suppose you can respect someone but not be impressed with their accomplishments. If he had coached at WP for all of those years and amassed all of those wins, there would be a bronze statue in front of the mill! LOL! You know it's true...
Absolutely. That would be a much bigger accomplishment to take a small school and do what he did at KW
The good news for WP is they fielded a rather young team this year and looked really stout at times during the season. I wish they could get more than 17 on the sideline (or whatever it was this year). Sounds like there's a really nice nucleus to build around. That young Porter man-child looks like he may become a very serious force to deal with by his senior season.
Honestly I think next year WP wins the Tidewater district. They return almost everyone from this years team and went 7-1 on jv including a huge beat down of KW. KW didn't win a game on jv this year and despite their record on the varsity level hasn't had a dominating season. I have always had respect for the WP program as I do any small school. To me small school football whether it be in our part of the state or out in far SWVA is what makes the 1A and 2A levels so exciting. The fact that everyone knows everyone and in some towns football is all they live for. Personally I'll take it over the bigger schools any day
King William numbers weren't always so much larger than the other teams in the district. Over the past ten years, KW numbers have risen greatly. BTW Coach Bookes success started well before the increase population. Not being impressed with Coach Brookes run is insane, so I won't address that issue anymore. King and Queen will struggle against any team in any district. Tidewater makes up the majority of the teams that miss the playoffs and they are beating King and Queen by 70 plus. The competition is on par with the current state of King William football. Charles City and West Point had their chances to take down the perennial champs, so that means those programs are not that far away. West Point and King and Queen happen to be a couple of the smallest public schools in the state and would be half the size of a lot of 1A schools currently. Colonial Beach makes it work.
My opinion of Brookes does not matter to anyone but me. KW has always had a substantial advantage in numbers then and now.
Played with Ben in those 97-99 WP teams. Great guy & an actual beast on the field. 21-12 in 1999 never felt better.
Ben is a great guy and a class act. He even sang at my fathers funeral. Really great family in general!!
Ben comes from a GREAT FAMILY! I've known his father darn near my entire life.
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