New "proposed" alignment plan for 2017-2018 & 2018-2019

[shauntclair]

Most all VHSL meetings are dominated by a "select few" members present. Somehow the seize control of the meeting, and get a couple others to support their agenda ahead of time. Then they manage to get what they want "for their school" most of the time. I have talked with folks who were in these meetings.

Getting people to support your agenda prior to a meeting is standard and smart business practice.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

That's why VHSL is so screwed up. VHSL needs one person in charge, not 325.

 

[shauntclair]

That's why VHSL is so screwed up. VHSL needs one person in charge, not 325.

That Suggestion is not even discussable. No non profit can be run in the manner you suggest. Come back from OZ.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Discussion or no discussion, VHSL needs a Commissioner with the power to set policy statewide, and get everyone on same page.

 

[shauntclair]

How do you get everyone on the same page without discussion and input? If it was the Commissioner's sole discression, why bother to get everyone on the same page? If this were the way the VHSL was run, why would any school be a member?

C'mon Scarecrow, give it a rest.

 

[dringtuoti]

It's not discussable b/c there is no way that schools would give up their power period. Never going to happen, I agree with shaunt - give it a rest. Regions have to do what's best for them and the state shouldn't mandate everything from the top down.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Why should every Region not be the same ? Everyone should have same goal, a state championship. Therefore everyone should have to play under same format.

 

[dringtuoti]

Everyone does have the same goal. How they get to that goal and what economic, geographic sacrifices they make should be up to their region. The VHSL and their membership have agreed to allow the regions to determine how they are to determine their representatives to state tournaments. If schools are ok with playing in a 16 team region and another region only has 10 schools then why should I dispute that.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Every region should be balanced, with as close to same number of schools as possible.

 

[dringtuoti]

In a perfect world of course but can't happen in VA. If you look at a map and give classifications a different color pin you will see how impossible it would be to do that. Who is going to foot the bill when regions go in the hole or schools do b/c they've been put somewhere they lose money when they are willing to sacrifice an easier route to state play to stay closer to home. (Administrators, especially with the demand of SOLs are constantly asked by their community "what are you doing to protect instructional time?")

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

There is no way around travel. It's a necessity.

 

[obguthr]

How would a SWVA-friendly alignment look?

Disregarding the current proposal, can someone draw up, from scratch, a good proposal for the SWVA?

Here's a radical plan:
2A of a hypothetical 4 tier system. Enrollment range 450-1000, with buffer zones. Almost no mixed districts, roughly equal number of teams in each class.

Region A
Eastern Shore District (also includes 1A Northampton and Chincoteague)
Arcadia 578
Nandua 666

Colonial District
John Marshall 689
Maggie Walker 723
Thomas Jefferson Richmond 775
George Wythe Richmond 811
Armstrong 905
Colonial Heights 908

Southside District
Brunswick 596
Bluestone 627
Greensville 663
Southampton 787
Park View South Hill 790

York-Potomac District
Essex 468
Washington & Lee 479
Bruton 584
King William 625
Poquoson 776
New Kent 905

Region B
Bull Run District
George Mason 576
Manassas Park 817
James Monroe 889
Brentsville District 921

Shenandoah District
Riverheads 475
Buffalo Gap 530
Robert E. Lee Staunton 715
Stuarts Draft 728
Wilson Memorial 741
Fort Defiance 797
Waynesboro 851

Skyline District (also includes 1A Rappahannock County)
Luray 467
Page 571
Madison 576
East Rockingham 658
William Monroe 837
Spotswood 879

Stonewall District
Stonewall Jackson Mt. Jackson 453
Strasburg 664
Clarke 712
Central Woodstock 766
Warren 822
Skyline 855

Region C
Blue Ridge District
James River Buchanan 556
Alleghany 812
Liberty Bedford 893
Rockbridge 952
Northside 967

Dogwood District
Gretna 569
Nelson 587
Randolph-Henry 623
Appomattox 712
Rustburg 814

James River District
Amelia 555
Buckingham 593
Prince Edward 644
Nottoway 654
Goochland 733

Foothill District
Martinsville 614
Chatham 642
Dan River 649
Patrick 791
Magna Vista 922
Tunstall 923

Region D
Three Rivers District
Fort Chiswell 473
Giles 523
Glenvar 539
Floyd 602
Cave Spring 944

Southwest District
Grundy 491
Lebanon 501
Graham 548
Tazewell 595
Richlands 703

Highland District
Chilhowie 454
Grayson 562
John Battle 614
Virginia 657
Marion 677
Abingdon 851

Mountain District
Union 646
Central Wise 655
Gate City 671
Ridgeview 671
Lee 727

 

[VaPrepsRod]

I may personally like it but a 4-tier system has been voted down, so that change isn't happening.

My point is this...a lot of people talk about how the Western area of the state is "always getting screwed by the VHSL", so I'd like to see a possible (AND WORKABLE) situation.

Yours is possible but not sure that it is workable.

Just trying to understand the changes that the SWVA would like to see.

Good stuff from you though.

 

[AdvocateOfMany434]

Here's a radical plan:
2A of a hypothetical 4 tier system. Enrollment range 450-1000, with buffer zones. Almost no mixed districts, roughly equal number of teams in each class.

Region A
Eastern Shore District (also includes 1A Northampton and Chincoteague)
Arcadia 578
Nandua 666

Colonial District
John Marshall 689
Maggie Walker 723
Thomas Jefferson Richmond 775
George Wythe Richmond 811
Armstrong 905
Colonial Heights 908

Southside District
Brunswick 596
Bluestone 627
Greensville 663
Southampton 787
Park View South Hill 790

York-Potomac District
Essex 468
Washington & Lee 479
Bruton 584
King William 625
Poquoson 776
New Kent 905

Region B
Bull Run District
George Mason 576
Manassas Park 817
James Monroe 889
Brentsville District 921

Shenandoah District
Riverheads 475
Buffalo Gap 530
Robert E. Lee Staunton 715
Stuarts Draft 728
Wilson Memorial 741
Fort Defiance 797
Waynesboro 851

Skyline District (also includes 1A Rappahannock County)
Luray 467
Page 571
Madison 576
East Rockingham 658
William Monroe 837
Spotswood 879

Stonewall District
Stonewall Jackson Mt. Jackson 453
Strasburg 664
Clarke 712
Central Woodstock 766
Warren 822
Skyline 855

Region C
Blue Ridge District
James River Buchanan 556
Alleghany 812
Liberty Bedford 893
Rockbridge 952
Northside 967

Dogwood District
Gretna 569
Nelson 587
Randolph-Henry 623
Appomattox 712
Rustburg 814

James River District
Amelia 555
Buckingham 593
Prince Edward 644
Nottoway 654
Goochland 733

Foothill District
Martinsville 614
Chatham 642
Dan River 649
Patrick 791
Magna Vista 922
Tunstall 923

Region D
Three Rivers District
Fort Chiswell 473
Giles 523
Glenvar 539
Floyd 602
Cave Spring 944

Southwest District
Grundy 491
Lebanon 501
Graham 548
Tazewell 595
Richlands 703

Highland District
Chilhowie 454
Grayson 562
John Battle 614
Virginia 657
Marion 677
Abingdon 851

Mountain District
Union 646
Central Wise 655
Gate City 671
Ridgeview 671
Lee 727

1000 is too high for 2A

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

800 is too high for 2A.

All realignment talk and proposals always seem to center around Richmond area schools and SWVA schools. Divide state equally and play ball.

 

[ClarkeFan83]

800 is too high for 2A.

All realignment talk and proposals always seem to center around Richmond area schools and SWVA schools. Divide state equally and play ball.

But what is equal? Should the state enforce enrollment limits for newly built schools? People move. They gotta tweak it every couple of years.

 

[shauntclair]

Here's a radical plan:
2A of a hypothetical 4 tier system. Enrollment range 450-1000, with buffer zones. Almost no mixed districts, roughly equal number of teams in each class.

Region A
Eastern Shore District (also includes 1A Northampton and Chincoteague)
Arcadia 578
Nandua 666

Colonial District
John Marshall 689
Maggie Walker 723
Thomas Jefferson Richmond 775
George Wythe Richmond 811
Armstrong 905
Colonial Heights 908

Southside District
Brunswick 596
Bluestone 627
Greensville 663
Southampton 787
Park View South Hill 790

York-Potomac District
Essex 468
Washington & Lee 479
Bruton 584
King William 625
Poquoson 776
New Kent 905

Region B
Bull Run District
George Mason 576
Manassas Park 817
James Monroe 889
Brentsville District 921

Shenandoah District
Riverheads 475
Buffalo Gap 530
Robert E. Lee Staunton 715
Stuarts Draft 728
Wilson Memorial 741
Fort Defiance 797
Waynesboro 851

Skyline District (also includes 1A Rappahannock County)
Luray 467
Page 571
Madison 576
East Rockingham 658
William Monroe 837
Spotswood 879

Stonewall District
Stonewall Jackson Mt. Jackson 453
Strasburg 664
Clarke 712
Central Woodstock 766
Warren 822
Skyline 855

Region C
Blue Ridge District
James River Buchanan 556
Alleghany 812
Liberty Bedford 893
Rockbridge 952
Northside 967

Dogwood District
Gretna 569
Nelson 587
Randolph-Henry 623
Appomattox 712
Rustburg 814

James River District
Amelia 555
Buckingham 593
Prince Edward 644
Nottoway 654
Goochland 733

Foothill District
Martinsville 614
Chatham 642
Dan River 649
Patrick 791
Magna Vista 922
Tunstall 923

Region D
Three Rivers District
Fort Chiswell 473
Giles 523
Glenvar 539
Floyd 602
Cave Spring 944

Southwest District
Grundy 491
Lebanon 501
Graham 548
Tazewell 595
Richlands 703

Highland District
Chilhowie 454
Grayson 562
John Battle 614
Virginia 657
Marion 677
Abingdon 851

Mountain District
Union 646
Central Wise 655
Gate City 671
Ridgeview 671
Lee 727

Hey, you put your money where your mouth is, did some work and put up a proposal. Very well done and due respect.

 

[EPJr]

Revised 1-13-16 by Alignment Committee Meeting
Districts: http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/alignment-2017-19-recommended-district-alignment-plan1.pdf
Regions: http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/alignment-2017-19-recommended-24-region-alignment-plan.pdf

 

[AdvocateOfMany434]

Revised 1-13-16 by Alignment Committee Meeting
Districts: http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/alignment-2017-19-recommended-district-alignment-plan1.pdf
Regions: http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/alignment-2017-19-recommended-24-region-alignment-plan.pdf

Revised 1-13-16 by Alignment Committee Meeting
Districts: http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/alignment-2017-19-recommended-district-alignment-plan1.pdf
Regions: http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/alignment-2017-19-recommended-24-region-alignment-plan.pdf

Who the heck is GALIEO MAGNET in the Dogwood District? Huh? Private school?

 

[AdvocateOfMany434]

Who the heck is GALIEO MAGNET in the Dogwood District? Huh? Private school?

Just Wiki'd them. They only have 250 students. The only sports is Varsity Soccer and cross country.

 

[RichlandsRyan]

Just Wiki'd them. They only have 250 students. The only sports is Varsity Soccer and cross country.

We have one down this way as well. Council High School. No football. Less than 200 total students.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

I think the Magnet school is a Advanced school in Danville for the really smart students. In reality, they are not in Dogwood.

 

[DinwiddieProud]

A Magnet School in Virgina is just what the name implies. A "magnet" school will incorporate courses, or an entire curriculum that offers specialized instruction and attracts students beyond typical boundaries. Many otherwise "regular" schools offer this specialized curriculum and thus gain the status of "Magnet" School. Some schools are established from conception to be Magnet Schools. These are usually given the name of "Governor" or "Charter" schools. It should be pointed out that the designation of "magnet school" is not restricted to high schools. Elementary, middle, or junior high schools can also gain this designation.

Often, it is a challenge to place these independent magnet high schools on a level playing field, from an athletic standpoint. That is why you see names pop up in District listings that make you say, huh?

 

[ClarkeFan83]

A Magnet School in Virgina is just what the name implies. A "magnet" school will incorporate courses, or an entire curriculum that offers specialized instruction and attracts students beyond typical boundaries. Many otherwise "regular" schools offer this specialized curriculum and thus gain the status of "Magnet" School. Some schools are established from conception to be Magnet Schools. These are usually given the name of "Governor" or "Charter" schools. It should be pointed out that the designation of "magnet school" is not restricted to high schools. Elementary, middle, or junior high schools can also gain this designation.

Often, it is a challenge to place these independent magnet high schools on a level playing field, from an athletic standpoint. That is why you see names pop up in District listings that make you say, huh?

Thomas Jefferson High School in Fairfax is one of those smart kids schools. I've seen bumper stickers on cars saying "Thomas Jefferson...We came for the athletics". Cracks me up every time I see that!

 

[DinwiddieProud]

That is funny. But, here is the funny truth. I have a friend whose daughter graduated from Maggie Walker Governers School. She played softball. I don't think they won more than a game or two all year. And, (only saying this tongue in cheek), she probably couldn't tell a softball from a football. But she got a full four year ride to Alabama on academics. I guess she's laughing at a lot of jocks paying their own way.

But seriously, it is tough for most of these schools to compete. Their students are encouraged to play sports, and they benefit from athletics like every kid does. But, if the school enrollment places them in 3a or larger, they always get clobbered. Simply because you don't go to a magnet school because you are a great athlete. Don't challenge them to a debate on international law, or try to explain Pythagorean's theorem to them though!

 

[shauntclair]

That is funny. But, here is the funny truth. I have a friend whose daughter graduated from Maggie Walker Governers School. She played softball. I don't think they won more than a game or two all year. And, (only saying this tongue in cheek), she probably couldn't tell a softball from a football. But she got a full four year ride to Alabama on academics. I guess she's laughing at a lot of jocks paying their own way.

But seriously, it is tough for most of these schools to compete. Their students are encouraged to play sports, and they benefit from athletics like every kid does. But, if the school enrollment places them in 3a or larger, they always get clobbered. Simply because you don't go to a magnet school because you are a great athlete. Don't challenge them to a debate on international law, or try to explain Pythagorean's theorem to them though!

Understand this Thought. My son's went to Governor's school, although in the Burg, they are affiliated with their home school. Thus they were all officially Courtland kids, even though most of their classes were at Riverbend. That was Gschool central in the burg. the Gschool did not have a team, as such. They were barely 50 kids enrolled. They had no athletic program.

My niece went to Thomas Jefferson. I used to go to their games because she was in the Band and we're a close family. At TJ, one of the favorite cheers during a Football game is:

"That's all right! That's OK! You'll all work for us someday!" Many schools cheers are a wish. This one is closer to a fact.

 

[EPJr]

Alignment Committee Minutes
January 13, 2016 – 10:00 a.m.
VHSL Office – Lower Conference Room
http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/alignment-committee-minutes-1-13-16.pdf

 

[EPJr]

VHSL Executive Meeting
February 16-17,2016

http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/ec-2016-agenda-February1.pdf

 

[Jdphil2]

Check out the new proposed alignment plan beginning with the 2017 season. The alignment eliminates conferences and creates 24 regions (4 in each classification, similar to how it was before). The idea is it refocus the importance of district and local rivalries.

This plan is the initial proposal that was released by the VHSl today. There probably will be a few changes before it is finalized, as noted by the fine print under each section. Also, member schools have until Friday, January 8, 2016 to appeal their placement. The VHSL will then post the schedule of appeals on their website on Monday, January 11, 2016. The appeals will be heard on Wednesday, January 13, 2016.

Let the debates, complaints, and conversations begin!

http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/alignment-2017-19-initial-proposed-24-region-alignment-plan.pdf

Asterisk seams to put some schools back up into division 2 like Fort Chiswell and Radford back. Galax has higher enrollment than for does why would they not be moved up also? Also according to Grayson countys projected enrollment at the time of this change our enrollment will be well below that of Galax Fort Chiswell and Radford. But no plans for that in here either.

Check out the new proposed alignment plan beginning with the 2017 season. The alignment eliminates conferences and creates 24 regions (4 in each classification, similar to how it was before). The idea is it refocus the importance of district and local rivalries.

This plan is the initial proposal that was released by the VHSl today. There probably will be a few changes before it is finalized, as noted by the fine print under each section. Also, member schools have until Friday, January 8, 2016 to appeal their placement. The VHSL will then post the schedule of appeals on their website on Monday, January 11, 2016. The appeals will be heard on Wednesday, January 13, 2016.

Let the debates, complaints, and conversations begin!

http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/alignment-2017-19-initial-proposed-24-region-alignment-plan.pdf

 

[EPJr]

FINAL REALIGNMENT AFTER SATISFYING APPEALS
http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/alignment-2017-19-final-recommended-24-region-alignment-plan.pdf