Riverheads 29 Stuarts Draft 28 Final

[WP02alum]

Not my dishonesty, so it’s not mine to stick anywhere. Let me know what you guys do with it.

 

[longtimerhsfan]

I won't use the word "dishonest" about this discussion or any other but if there is one situation in the VHSL that needs addressing, it is the LCA football and John Marshall basketball programs. Last I heard in high school ball, you are supposed to play for the school that is closest to where you live. So you can't tell me that all these world-class athletes establish residences in those two areas every year. In fact wouldn't it be interesting to do a study some time and see how fast they head back to their home towns once those state titles have been won?

Now if those are considered private boarding schools and the athletes qualify on that basis, then fine, but let them compete in the private school leagues. It is totally unfair year in and year out for Virginia's public schools in those classifications and those sports to start practicing, knowing from the beginning that they will not have a shot at a state title.

 

[WP02alum]

Got it. Dishonest clock operator doing things to help the home team is ok if VHSL doesn’t better police recruiting violations.

 

[MCAthletics]

I won't use the word "dishonest" about this discussion or any other but if there is one situation in the VHSL that needs addressing, it is the LCA football and John Marshall basketball programs. Last I heard in high school ball, you are supposed to play for the school that is closest to where you live. So you can't tell me that all these world-class athletes establish residences in those two areas every year. In fact wouldn't it be interesting to do a study some time and see how fast they head back to their home towns once those state titles have been won?

Now if those are considered private boarding schools and the athletes qualify on that basis, then fine, but let them compete in the private school leagues. It is totally unfair year in and year out for Virginia's public schools in those classifications and those sports to start practicing, knowing from the beginning that they will not have a shot at a state title.

See Hayfield in the 6A forum…

 

[longtimerhsfan]

That Hayfield thread has 277 responses, so can you give us a capsule version of what is going on?

 

[GLADIATOR.BEAVER]

I’m certainly not worked up about the result. Doesn’t impact me at all. But the whole “let’s all be honest with each other” part is pretty important to me in general. Haven’t seen a single RHS fan acknowledge the actual concerns @Gunz41 brings up (that seem totally valid).

As an outsider aware of the arguments about Riverheads intentionally gaming the system to stay in Class 1, this feels like another marker regarding dishonesty surrounding this school.

Was at the game rewatched several times and can only find 2 instances where the clock added time. The officials clearly stated to both teams and stopped the game and told the press box to add the time and what to the correct time should be. Gunz has EVIDENCE but will not post it. Then states you have to have a clock in the video which NFHS does. Clearly he is watching hudl since is video has no clock but hudl cuts as soon as the play is over and resumes as soon as the next one starts so you see nothing in between like the officials adding time. You say it was dishonest yet no EVIDENCE was posted just one ultra superior intelligent beings opinion. Then he wants to explain it in wrestling terms like a know it all explaining it to a child. I'm just glad his team will have a couple of extra weeks of wrestling before riverheads gets on the mats. That seems to be an every year thing though doesn't it.

 

[falcettik]

That Hayfield thread has 277 responses, so can you give us a capsule version of what is going on?

It is impossible to put all that is going on with this situation into one "capsule version". Here are some key points:
1. Anywhere from 20-30 transfers from Freedom (Woodbridge) along with most of Overton's coaching staff moving to Hayfield with several coaches being given jobs in the building.
2. Lady in charge of vetting the transfers is suddenly transferred to another school when she speaks up.
3. Numerous parents allege things from coaches bullying players to being offered money to let the transfers use their address.
4. FCPS investigates and finds nothing wrong.
5. VHSL investigates and puts out a two year playoff ban.
6. Two groups of parents sue and a judge allows a last minute injunction (three hours before the playoffs are scheduled to start) to let Hayfield back in the playoffs.
7. Six coaches in Hayfield's region protest to the FCPS Superintendent and threaten to forfeit playoff games.
8. Superintendent calls those coaches in and alleges racism.

There is lots and lots more. This has been brewing since August. Multiple articles in the Fairfax Times and InsideNOVA, as well as other print and TV media. Best summation is an article on a site called Defector, but it is a very, very long read (and now it appears to be behind a paywall).

How An Imported State Champion Blew Up Virginia High School Football | Defector

Administrators at Hayfield Secondary School in Alexandria, Va., set out late last year to create a football powerhouse. The principal and athletic director, both new to the school, recruited the coach from Freedom High School, a school located in a neighboring county that had claimed the state...

defector.com

 

[7MileFord]

Go to http://12ft.io & copy and paste this link below to get past the paywall

How An Imported State Champion Blew Up Virginia High School Football | Defector

Administrators at Hayfield Secondary School in Alexandria, Va., set out late last year to create a football powerhouse. The principal and athletic director, both new to the school, recruited the coach from Freedom High School, a school located in a neighboring county that had claimed the state...

defector.com

 

[Gunz41]

Was at the game rewatched several times and can only find 2 instances where the clock added time. The officials clearly stated to both teams and stopped the game and told the press box to add the time and what to the correct time should be. Gunz has EVIDENCE but will not post it. Then states you have to have a clock in the video which NFHS does. Clearly he is watching hudl since is video has no clock but hudl cuts as soon as the play is over and resumes as soon as the next one starts so you see nothing in between like the officials adding time. You say it was dishonest yet no EVIDENCE was posted just one ultra superior intelligent beings opinion. Then he wants to explain it in wrestling terms like a know it all explaining it to a child. I'm just glad his team will have a couple of extra weeks of wrestling before riverheads gets on the mats. That seems to be an every year thing though doesn't it.

Well now you want to continue, while I wanted to bow out. Maybe Riverheads Hudl doesn't show the clock, but I can guarantee you SDs does.

As for Wrestling, that was said because the one that it was being discussed with at the time said he COACHES Wrestling.

As far as starting other sports early yada yada yada, real classy.

Now you actually want to start talking about the team and the kids. Again REAL CLASSY.

I won't stoop to that level.

Again, believe me if you want, I really don't give a shit now. If you saw the video, you would try to walk around it anyway.

As for the rest of your message, yep you will find 2 instances of time being put on the clock. If you have even a SHRED of honesty in you, and you don't FREELY admit that even right on NFHS (forget Hudl and endzone cameras, etc) that Riverheads 2nd play of the last drive (1st play was a scramble that the QB goes out of bounds with 2:07 left in game. The VERY NEXT PLAY, RH runs for 14 yards and ONE SECOND comes off the clock. That is CLEAR no matter where it is viewed from.

As for the others, you can do your own work if you really want to see it. The 2 schools are separated by 8.7 miles. I will not do the work for you. If it actually made a difference if you saw it, then maybe. But my guess is you would just change the subject, so GTFOH with it. Or better yet, how about this, obviously nothing is going to change the outcome of this game. So IF I get you this evidence, since it is available, once it is proven, then not just from you but others as well, a PUBLIC APOLOGY is issued. If you can make that happen, then yea I am sure I can get it done. If not, then I am not wasting my time or you or this anymore.

 

[Gunz41]

Well now you want to continue, while I wanted to bow out. Maybe Riverheads Hudl doesn't show the clock, but I can guarantee you SDs does.

As for Wrestling, that was said because the one that it was being discussed with at the time said he COACHES Wrestling.

As far as starting other sports early yada yada yada, real classy.

Now you actually want to start talking about the team and the kids. Again REAL CLASSY.

I won't stoop to that level.

Again, believe me if you want, I really don't give a shit now. If you saw the video, you would try to walk around it anyway.

As for the rest of your message, yep you will find 2 instances of time being put on the clock. If you have even a SHRED of honesty in you, and you don't FREELY admit that even right on NFHS (forget Hudl and endzone cameras, etc) that Riverheads 2nd play of the last drive (1st play was a scramble that the QB goes out of bounds with 2:07 left in game. The VERY NEXT PLAY, RH runs for 14 yards and ONE SECOND comes off the clock. That is CLEAR no matter where it is viewed from.

As for the others, you can do your own work if you really want to see it. The 2 schools are separated by 8.7 miles. I will not do the work for you. If it actually made a difference if you saw it, then maybe. But my guess is you would just change the subject, so GTFOH with it. Or better yet, how about this, obviously nothing is going to change the outcome of this game. So IF I get you this evidence, since it is available, once it is proven, then not just from you but others as well, a PUBLIC APOLOGY is issued. If you can make that happen, then yea I am sure I can get it done. If not, then I am not wasting my time or you or this anymore.

And just so there is NO CONFUSION here, I don't expect that to happen, and that doesn't mean I am accusing anyone here. Don't get it twisted, just pointing out the fact that since there is nothing that could be done at this point, just saying that is something. And I will even say, if I was someone from the RH side, I would NOT want to do that in any case.

 

[longtimerhsfan]

Thanks to the poster above for the information on the Hayfield situation. I think I have a general understanding. I guess what is really happening is that some high schools are beginning to emulate what they see at the college level with the transfer portal, the NIL business, etc. They are taking the innocence out of our sports.